Transformation Video for Canon Optimus Prime

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Although Reflector is meant to be a Takara Tomy Mall Exclusive, there's a pre-order at Amazon Japan below:

- https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0B8Z7BZ58/?tag=seibertron00-22& ... BZ58&psc=1

(I'm not sure if this ships outside Japan, so please check).

No stock, hoping this means a proper preorder will go live very soon.

Unfortunately it's showing as out of stock because it's detecting you as being from outside Japan. If you log out or block your location it'll show up as available for pre-order. It wont ever go up for order for the rest of us because it's sold and shipped by "Takara Tomy Mall Amazon Store".



Is Reflector and Refraktor spelled the same way in Japan? Just realized the translations are coming up with Reflector, but Takara Tomy writes his name in English as Refraktor like the Siege figure.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Although Reflector is meant to be a Takara Tomy Mall Exclusive, there's a pre-order at Amazon Japan below:

- https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0B8Z7BZ58/?tag=seibertron00-22& ... BZ58&psc=1

(I'm not sure if this ships outside Japan, so please check).

No stock, hoping this means a proper preorder will go live very soon.

Unfortunately it's showing as out of stock because it's detecting you as being from outside Japan. If you log out or block your location it'll show up as available for pre-order. It wont ever go up for order for the rest of us because it's sold and shipped by "Takara Tomy Mall Amazon Store".

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Is Reflector and Refraktor spelled the same way in Japan? Just realized the translations are coming up with Reflector, but Takara Tomy writes his name in English as Refraktor like the Siege figure.

Emerje

That's strange. I've never encountered TT Mall selling at Amazon. Could this be a dodgy seller? If it's legit and they sell all of the same exclusives via Amazon Japan, I might use them for such products, as TT Mall doesn't accept credit-debit cards.

Emerje wrote:Is Reflector and Refraktor spelled the same way in Japan? Just realized the translations are coming up with Reflector, but Takara Tomy writes his name in English as Refraktor like the Siege figure.

Where?

Sabrblade wrote:Where?

TT used the recent Hasbro changed name of "Refractor" in promotional materials for this toy, when they used English characters. However, at Amazon Japan (which auto-translates Japanese into English internally at the site), the Japanese katakana characters are depicted into English as "Reflector" I believe?

Emerje wrote:Is Reflector and Refraktor spelled the same way in Japan? Just realized the translations are coming up with Reflector, but [Takara Tomy writes his name in English as Refraktor like the Siege figure.

Hasbro "Refraktor" name in Latin script, but Takara "Reflector" name in Katakana.

Like how Legends used both names for its characters.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Is Reflector and Refraktor spelled the same way in Japan? Just realized the translations are coming up with Reflector, but [Takara Tomy writes his name in English as Refraktor like the Siege figure.

Hasbro "Refraktor" name in Latin script, but Takara "Reflector" name in Katakana.

Like how Legends used both names for its characters.

Yeah, I get that, but knowing that L and R tend to be interchangeable in Japanese translations I'm just wondering if they'd have the same spelling regardless. I'm thinking yes.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Is Reflector and Refraktor spelled the same way in Japan? Just realized the translations are coming up with Reflector, but [Takara Tomy writes his name in English as Refraktor like the Siege figure.

Hasbro "Refraktor" name in Latin script, but Takara "Reflector" name in Katakana.

Like how Legends used both names for its characters.

Yeah, I get that, but knowing that L and R tend to be interchangeable in Japanese translations I'm just wondering if they'd have the same spelling regardless. I'm thinking yes.

Emerje

They wouldn't because "re" and "ra" are two different characters.

Reflector = リフレクター (Rifurekutā)
Refraktor/Refractor = リフラクター (Rifurakutā)

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Is Reflector and Refraktor spelled the same way in Japan? Just realized the translations are coming up with Reflector, but [Takara Tomy writes his name in English as Refraktor like the Siege figure.

Hasbro "Refraktor" name in Latin script, but Takara "Reflector" name in Katakana.

Like how Legends used both names for its characters.

Yeah, I get that, but knowing that L and R tend to be interchangeable in Japanese translations I'm just wondering if they'd have the same spelling regardless. I'm thinking yes.

Emerje

They wouldn't because "re" and "ra" are two different characters.

Reflector = リフレクター (Rifurekutā)
Refraktor/Refractor = リフラクター (Rifurakutā)

Literally, yes, but sometimes vowel sounds can be mistranslated, such as with elisision or assimilation in pronunciation. IF this was the case here, it could just be a mistake though.

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Is Reflector and Refraktor spelled the same way in Japan? Just realized the translations are coming up with Reflector, but [Takara Tomy writes his name in English as Refraktor like the Siege figure.

Hasbro "Refraktor" name in Latin script, but Takara "Reflector" name in Katakana.

Like how Legends used both names for its characters.

Yeah, I get that, but knowing that L and R tend to be interchangeable in Japanese translations I'm just wondering if they'd have the same spelling regardless. I'm thinking yes.

Emerje

They wouldn't because "re" and "ra" are two different characters.

Reflector = リフレクター (Rifurekutā)
Refraktor/Refractor = リフラクター (Rifurakutā)

Literally, yes, but sometimes vowel sounds can be mistranslated, such as with elisision or assimilation in pronunciation. IF this was the case here, it could just be a mistake though.

If someone is simply confident in their ability to translate without use of software it's entirely possible to still get something that sounds phonetically in Japanese like Refraktor but translated the same as Reflector.



I'm sure I've thoroughly over thought this and it is as simple as them just using the current Hasbro trademark for English. Which is kinda dumb since if Hasbro does release them (and why wouldn't they?) they're just going to slip it inside a black box without a name on it so it wouldn't matter what was on the box. I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:I'm sure I've thoroughly over thought this and it is as simple as them just using the current Hasbro trademark for English. Which is kinda dumb since if Hasbro does release them (and why wouldn't they?) they're just going to slip it inside a black box without a name on it so it wouldn't matter what was on the box. I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow.

Emerje

Heh, something similar's already happened with Masterpiece Burn Out, whose Takara name is given as "Dia Burn Out" while Hasbro Pulse instead labelled her as "Autobot Burn Out".

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:I'm sure I've thoroughly over thought this and it is as simple as them just using the current Hasbro trademark for English. Which is kinda dumb since if Hasbro does release them (and why wouldn't they?) they're just going to slip it inside a black box without a name on it so it wouldn't matter what was on the box. I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow.

Emerje

Heh, something similar's already happened with Masterpiece Burn Out, whose Takara name is given as "Dia Burn Out" while Hasbro Pulse instead labelled her as "Autobot Burn Out".

All to make it easier for the casual importer who can't read Japanese.

As for Refraktor vs. Reflector, there is a difference in vowel sounds between the two words, think refraction vs reflection, and that can be reflected in Japanese spelling. Also, just because one name isn't available in the US doesn't mean it's also unavailable in Japan.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:As for Refraktor vs. Reflector, there is a difference in vowel sounds between the two words, think refraction vs reflection, and that can be reflected in Japanese spelling.

Yes, this has already been covered. However, there are times when existing pronunciation/listening errors in the host language affect how even new loan words are transcribed, regardless of how they are usually inferred.

This isn't the best example, but "The Matrix" (say "may-tricks") transcribed into katakana pronunciation is "mah-toh-rick-s(oo)", even though katakana can more accurately reproduce the "may" sound, such as in "anime" ("a-nee-may"). This got even more confusing when the Japanese-created "Animatrix" DVD set was released...

primalxconvoy wrote:Although Reflector is meant to be a Takara Tomy Mall Exclusive, there's a pre-order at Amazon Japan below:


- https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0B8Z7BZ58/?tag=seibertron00-22& ... BZ58&psc=1


(I'm not sure if this ships outside Japan, so please check).

Thank you for the link.
Much appreciated!

In all the whirlwind surrounding the reveal of the Canon crossover Optimus Prime and Reflector, we had a distinct lack of preorders for Reflector.

Well, thanks to BigBadToyStore, we now finally have a preorder for Reflector, and he is a much nicer price than was anticipated. The BBTS preorder shows him as being $134.99, and due in June of 2023. This price tag is much more palatable than the originally estimated $200-ish price tag.

BBTS is also showing Optimus Prime as $134.99, which might just make it the prime place to order one of the Canon Bots.

If you are interested in ordering one of these figures, head on over to any of the links above or click the picture below to get your preorders in. And remember, with the Quantum Dial in his chest, Reflector is now a necessity for anyone with an Alternity Collection!

Okay so they did do the thing everyone expected!

That's good news for all the fans of this oddball.
But for me, the old 2007 Real Gear Transformers looks way better than this and those Real Gears are mostly considered "rejects" so, errrrhhhh............

For this here Canadian, they will cost way pass 200$CAN and for that price, there's too much better stuff like Masterpieces and such.

.........Oh for F sake who am I kidding............

I NEED THAT REFLECTOR!
Preorder effing placed.

I put in a preorder for Reflector. Will I keep it? We'll see.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I put in a preorder for Reflector. Will I keep it? We'll see.

As did I. I feel I need him for the Alternity shelf, and also because my wife loves to photograph, so she can appreciate the camera mode

I hereby dub thee DAD-BOD REFLECTOR

Preorder for Refraktor are up for Canadians at Age 3 & Up.

https://www.agesthreeandup.ca/collectio ... fraktor-r5

They are around 5$CAN more expensive than BBTS and they charge the harmonised federal tax. So even if they seems a bit more expensive than BBTS, us Canadians take a gamble when ordering anything that is worth above 100$ from BBTS. Those custom fees will ruin any money saved and it will be way more expensive in the end.

So I cancelled my BBTS preorder and went with A3U instead.

In a tweet a few hours ago Takara Tomy's official @TF_pr account teased four sets of new reveals for this coming Thursday, March 9. Among them is a new collaboration with Canon Camera featuring what appears to be Nemesis Prime. There isn't anything else to go by, but I think we can guess what it'll look like since Optimus Prime was already a black camera. They also teased several other figures being announced within the franchise, one of which is the Premium Finish set of Beast Wars Optimus Primal and Megatron from their respective Kingdom releases we reported the other day. Less interesting is the tease for the Japanese release of Legacy Evolution Prime Skyquake, Metal Hawk, Shrapnel, Animated Prowl and Core Grimlock and Studio Series Rise of the Beasts Scourge and Cheetor.

We'll bring you more as we learn about it and you can always bring the discussion to the Seibertron.com Energon Pub forums.

Obviously, there will be a Nemesis repaint. I think this one will end up looking the best due to the more consistent color scheme all over. It will still look like a big fatso with an overwhelming beer gut.

That's why I cancelled my Reflector preorder. Plus the fact that the damn thing will be over 200$CAN didn't help.

The different Matrixes are so neat. HasTak missed a trick by not making multiple versions of Matrixes that can be swapped around like this toy has (yeah, I know the thing Reflector has isn't really a Matrix; still).

Nemesis might look the best, but I'm in for Reflector once he arrives at BBTS.

Ok, I can see Reflector, but Optimus/Nemesis? Over $150 and it's not even a functional basic camera?

No. That's just stupid.

Brokebot wrote:That's just stupid.

I think that's the entire point.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Brokebot wrote:That's just stupid.

I think that's the entire point.

Well, mission accomplished.

More images from last week's leaks:




And official images from Amazon Japan and Dengeki Hobby.

The new Matrix isn't a Matrix. It's the AllSpark.

I'm not a photographer so I had no interest in the previous ones, but this actually looks pretty neat. If I really wanted it, I'd get 2, 1 for each mode.

Can the person who didn't think this was going to happen please raise their hands?

(looks over crowd of tens of thousands of Transfans, all with their hands down)

Yup.

ANYTIME there is an Optimus, there will be a Nemesis until people stop buying repaints.

First-Aid wrote:ANYTIME there is an Optimus, there will be a Nemesis...

Well maybe not ANYTIME, but certainly in recent history.

I really hope that's the case for the Legacy Commander, I'll be all over that like s#it on Velcro.

First-Aid wrote:ANYTIME there is an Optimus, there will be a Nemesis until people stop buying repaints.

Not true.

SS Bee Voyager Nemesis Prime never happened so far.
At least, not officially.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:ANYTIME there is an Optimus, there will be a Nemesis until people stop buying repaints.

Not true.

SS Bee Voyager Nemesis Prime never happened so far.
At least, not officially.

The MP of it did get a Nemesis version, at least.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:ANYTIME there is an Optimus, there will be a Nemesis until people stop buying repaints.

Not true.

SS Bee Voyager Nemesis Prime never happened so far.
At least, not officially.

The MP of it did get a Nemesis version, at least.

I know and it's nice.

But I'm amazed that the easiest one to repaint was never done. Not even in Buzzworthy.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:ANYTIME there is an Optimus, there will be a Nemesis until people stop buying repaints.

Not true.

SS Bee Voyager Nemesis Prime never happened so far.
At least, not officially.

It's a trend among movie primes, they don't always get redecos into Nemesis.

That dark allspark looks pretty awesome. I am still waiting on BBTS to get Reflector, that is the only one of these that I want. And that is partly because he is technically Alternity Reflector, especially since he has the quantum dial.

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:ANYTIME there is an Optimus, there will be a Nemesis until people stop buying repaints.

Not true.

SS Bee Voyager Nemesis Prime never happened so far.
At least, not officially.

It's a trend among movie primes, they don't always get redecos into Nemesis.

So far, most if not all the Movie Optimus have been Nemesis'd by Takara at the very least. That is, all of those prior to the Studio Series line.

Hasbro is not a big fan of Nemesis repaints for some reasons so it's no wonder no Movie SS Optimusses have been Nemesis'd yet.

My Reflector shipped a couple days ago from Pulse. Just waiting on getting in hand to inspect.

Just got Refraktor delivered this AM. In hand, he is really amazing for a collabo figure. Masterpiece quality of camera design, if the bot himself isn't a little generic. Very professional looking camera mode. At some point down the line, a comparison to G1 and CHUG Reflector/ Refraktor would be a great lineup to see.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:ANYTIME there is an Optimus, there will be a Nemesis until people stop buying repaints.

Not true.

SS Bee Voyager Nemesis Prime never happened so far.
At least, not officially.

It's a trend among movie primes, they don't always get redecos into Nemesis.

So far, most if not all the Movie Optimus have been Nemesis'd by Takara at the very least. That is, all of those prior to the Studio Series line.

Hasbro is not a big fan of Nemesis repaints for some reasons so it's no wonder no Movie SS Optimusses have been Nemesis'd yet.

You'd be amazed at how many haven't. In fact, they didn't start until Dark of the Moon with the color scheme, and Age of Extinction for the character proper.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:You'd be amazed at how many haven't. In fact, they didn't start until Dark of the Moon with the color scheme, and Age of Extinction for the character proper.

Oh? So that ROTF leader Optimus Dark Version (Along with Megatron) was made after DotM came out? Interesting.

As for the 07 leader "dark" version, he's mostly green so I call him Nemesish Prime.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:You'd be amazed at how many haven't. In fact, they didn't start until Dark of the Moon with the color scheme, and Age of Extinction for the character proper.

Oh? So that ROTF leader Optimus Dark Version (Along with Megatron) was made after DotM came out? Interesting.

Ah, didn't see the DVD one. Not really a Nemesis without the teal tho...

Got my Reflector yesterday. He is really fun. I love him! more than I even thought I would!

My wife is also thrilled, she adores the camera mode, it almost matches the one she has. I told her we will go out photographing with our cameras together, her with the real one, me with my robot in disguise!

I like this much more than Siege Reflector honestly.

More Reflector, because i adore this guy

I agree, DMax.
Out of the 3 offerings, he was not only the most logical choice for me but really stands out from the rest with the alt mode integration.

Don't get me wrong, I do love my occasional weird bot.
But when the price tag goes to deluxe MP level, it's an easy pass.

Guess you cancelled Nemesis Paparazzi?

Reflector is still sitting in my PoL at BBTS. But I do look forward to finally getting him in person. I have two items expected to come next month, so I may as well just hold tight. I'm still liking it, though. You are right about that price, however. As a fellow Canuck that price sure bites.

When I have a space for my crossover collection again I look forward to having it stand beside Genesis Megatron, tablet Soundwave, Playstation Prime, and shoe Magnus. Maybe I'll toss in Label Blaster now that he's been replaced by Legacy in my main collection. If I can make that all look nice anyway.