Transformers Collector's Club To Retire "Classics" Seeker Mold

thank god.

Rated X wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Rated X wrote:

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:It looks like Starscream's colors have been switched. That's terrible.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Awesome ! She looks good. Im more excited about the club figures than I am about the oversized Devastator.

"She"? This is a dude.

Seriously?

Dont read comics so I dont know the fiction. But any name with "elle" at the end is traditionally a female name. I would question the writer of the fiction WTF they were thinking.

I said this once before: Nacelle, like Thrust, Dirge and Ramjet, is a real word used in aviation, in this case it's a housing separate from the main body or fuselage.

I didnt know that. But to someone not verse in aviation terms its more likely to come off as being a female name. Out of all the names of parts that could have been used, it was a silly choice. Michelle, Rochelle, Jizelle, etc. I dont know if its the same comic writer, but they should have made slipstream the male (brother to bitstream) and nacelle the female seeker. It just would have worked better in the norms of human culture. Just my opinion.

Nope. In the norms of English speaking culture maybe, but not human culture. Michel is a very polular guy's name in French and Andrea is a very popular guy's name in Italian. And as far as I can tell, Transformers are for a global audience.

That's actually kinda sad to me. I AM glad to know this info, though. It will give me the green light to do my own custom of Red Wing and SG Dirge, since I know the club won't/can't release them. Bummer.

That's one of those molds that I want to hate but can't help loving, and yet part of me hates the crap out of it. On one hand, it's a great update to the original Seeker, but on the other, it's poseability is lacking for a character as impotant as Starscream. While I love having SS, SW, and TC, I was certainly ready for the new Armada Starscream to take over on my shelf.

Holy Jeez..if TFCC is putting that mold to bed, what kind of shape is it in? Nacelle and G2 Starscream are likely to be missing chunks of wings, legs, and look like they've been rolled in sand. BBTS Seacons will probably look better.

They'll probably just use the Fall of Cybertron/Armada Deluxe moulds or to wave costs the Legends mould instead

That sucks. Can they at least give us Redwing first ? Its dumb decisions like this that were the foundation of CHMS in the first place. Maybe they will get enough fan uproar at botcon to reconsider. They bluffed in the past about not ever using unicron trilogy molds again. Besides the FOC seeker mold sucks. I actually prefer the IT tetra jet mold over the FOC mold even if the head sucks.

I'm so over the 2006 seeker mold.

I feel trapped by it. I have a full squad of them, but they really are dated. I detest the idea of starting over with that group, but really wish they were bigger now that the idea of Classics have evolved.

Counterpunch wrote:I'm so over the 2006 seeker mold.

I feel trapped by it. I have a full squad of them, but they really are dated. I detest the idea of starting over with that group, but really wish they were bigger now that the idea of Classics have evolved.

I get the trapped feeling. Everytime I look at my coneheads, I want an MP mold more and more.

I still like the mold. It was great back in 2006 but it could really use an improvement now.

Awww, I love this mould. No Redwing?

Well, at least Nacelle is a great addition. I like the reference to the old prototype. But I'd have liked to see G2 prototype Sandstorm (I think that was the name). Oh, well, it has a great run.

I can't help but agree that it's too small and unarticulated for a character set like the Seekers. Yet it remains the best version of the Seekers, to me at least. None of the other deluxe moulds are much larger and, to me, this is how a Seeker is supposed to look like.

Desslok2201 wrote:Holy Jeez..if TFCC is putting that mold to bed, what kind of shape is it in? Nacelle and G2 Starscream are likely to be missing chunks of wings, legs, and look like they've been rolled in sand. BBTS Seacons will probably look better.

Exaggeration is an art

Just because the Club decided to no longer use it, doesn't mean Hasbro can't still cook up something. I'd say that's unlikely given that the new Deluxe Armada Starscream makes a good replacement for either company, I already have the perfect character for the Club to use: Universe 2003 Ramjet. Slap Jhiaxus' wings on him, but keep the Starscream cockpit, make a new head, there ya go.

No more Classics Seekers is disappointing. Granted there are 31 releases but Fun Pub was a great place for new characters of obscure references to get made. Things like Bitstream, Hotlink, and Nacelle were great new characters with equally great figures. It will be a shame if we see no more of that or never get figures of Red Wing or SG Dirge.

Randy

I have to say, I'd rather round out the set, rather than a new mold for Redwing or SG characters. Having them match is kind-of the point.

That said, It looks like things are rebooting for the seekers. IDW versions of the basic seekers are coming, so you can wager Screamer and Skywarp will be on the horizon ... for those wanting a fresh, larger version.

Hopefully Hasbro will use it for more mass-released Generations figures.

I haven't gotten tired of the mold yet.

I don't have the same love of the FOC seeker mold, mostly because I don't like the "thunder-calves" look.

It's kinda funny how after 30+ uses and how they're basically scraping the bottom of the barrel now, people still want more of this mold.
Not that I blame them.

And "Nacelle" totally sounds like a female name to me, regardless of the various explanations, and I'm disappointed they didn't take the opportunity to add a second female Seeker... and another female without the hourglass frame.

Well, boo. I rather like this mold. Granted I only have a few of the figures that use this mold, unlike many of you others that have dozens...

Anyway, a new update of this mold could be cool, but I don't see that happening.

I was just saying this yesterday. It's about time they retire this mold. It's 9 years old! I wouldn't be surprised if Hasbro has a new mold in the works. Get ready to sell all your Classics Seekers and rebuy them as the superior Generations/Combiner Wars version.

I'd love to see them make some Combiner Wars Seekers. Either remolds of Silverbolt and one of the Arialbots, or just new molds, as Super Seeker and Regular Seeker mold. The Regular Seeker mold(limbs) be used for the obvious Starscream, Thrust, Sunstorm, Redwing, Skywarp, Dirge, etc, etc, etc. While the Super Seeker(torso) would be used for characters like Skyquake, Dreadwing, MW Starscream, Leozack, etc. It could be really interesting as you could create multiple custom Seeker combiners. You could probably even make a combiner out of just Starscreams(G1, G2, MW, Ghost, Black). Or you could make a combiner out of 4 generic Seekers and Super Seeker.

Thank fucking god.

All the tweets said is they "MAY" stop using the mold....they said they "have no plans" to use it again, so it's possible we may still get a Red Wing from this mold. I could care less about SG Dirge, because the whole SG universe is highly annoying to me, but to each their own.

UltraPrimal wrote:I was just saying this yesterday. It's about time they retire this mold. It's 9 years old! I wouldn't be surprised if Hasbro has a new mold in the works. Get ready to sell all your Classics Seekers and rebuy them as the superior Generations/Combiner Wars version.

I'd love to see them make some Combiner Wars Seekers. Either remolds of Silverbolt and one of the Arialbots, or just new molds, as Super Seeker and Regular Seeker mold. The Regular Seeker mold(limbs) be used for the obvious Starscream, Thrust, Sunstorm, Redwing, Skywarp, Dirge, etc, etc, etc. While the Super Seeker(torso) would be used for characters like Skyquake, Dreadwing, MW Starscream, Leozack, etc. It could be really interesting as you could create multiple custom Seeker combiners. You could probably even make a combiner out of just Starscreams(G1, G2, MW, Ghost, Black). Or you could make a combiner out of 4 generic Seekers and Super Seeker.

I'm sure the club could do some of those theoretical Seeker limbs. In fiction, they only have Starscream, Thundercracker (who isn't really a 'Con anymore), Dirge, Acid Storm and Skywarp as limbs. Sunstorm is dead, so are Thrust and Ramjet.

Just because one comic or continuity says someone is dead, changed sides, or became a stand-in-Devy head.... doesn't mean it's not still on the table as a toy or in another continuity. IDW is far from a proverbial Bible... any more than the old G1 cartoon is... or the movie.

Saying this, I'd love a 6 con Devy... and I'd be open to a seeker combiner, too. Sunstorm can even come hang out.

Counterpunch wrote:I'm so over the 2006 seeker mold.

I feel trapped by it. I have a full squad of them, but they really are dated. I detest the idea of starting over with that group, but really wish they were bigger now that the idea of Classics have evolved.

I feel far more trapped by the MP Seeker mold. It's also from 2006 and even though they changed it a bit, its essentially the very same mold with the same problems.

gothsaurus wrote:Just because one comic or continuity says someone is dead, changed sides, or became a stand-in-Devy head.... doesn't mean it's not still on the table as a toy or in another continuity. IDW is far from a proverbial Bible... any more than the old G1 cartoon is... or the movie.

Saying this, I'd love a 6 con Devy... and I'd be open to a seeker combiner, too. Sunstorm can even come hang out.

Oh, I totally get that. All I'm saying is that they're only likely to do figures that currently feature in fiction. Arcee and Chromia have been fairly prominent (Arcee more so than Chromia), so they get toys. I think we're getting Slingshot as a toy as a nod to the original Superion, even though Alpha Bravo is alive in fiction and Slingshot isn't. But the main Combiner Wars toyline (so far) is almost exclusively characters that are alive and well and fit in with a faction. Bombshell seems to be the only exception to that so far.

Doubledealer93 wrote:thank god.

Yes, the dude who's holding that gun to your head and forcing you to buy toys can finally take his finger off the trigger and you can sleep easy

william-james88 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I'm so over the 2006 seeker mold.

I feel trapped by it. I have a full squad of them, but they really are dated. I detest the idea of starting over with that group, but really wish they were bigger now that the idea of Classics have evolved.

I feel far more trapped by the MP Seeker mold. It's also from 2006 and even though they changed it a bit, its essentially the very same mold with the same problems.

It was fairly extensively changed between the original MP-3 Starscream and MP-11 Starscream, no? What are the problems with the mold that you see? I only have Acid Storm to look at as an example. I have the original Hasbro Skywarp and Hasbro MP Thundercracker, but they're still in boxes.

one of good looking earth f15 jets to bad same thing cant be done with bumblee how many reapaints have we had with him and prime movie versions, maybe same thing will be dont armaada deluxe starscream, seekers are stroomtroopers fun little army builders lok good in repaints

william-james88 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I'm so over the 2006 seeker mold.

I feel trapped by it. I have a full squad of them, but they really are dated. I detest the idea of starting over with that group, but really wish they were bigger now that the idea of Classics have evolved.

I feel far more trapped by the MP Seeker mold. It's also from 2006 and even though they changed it a bit, its essentially the very same mold with the same problems.

You can't tell me the updated MP mold has the same issues as the Classics mold. You just can't. The only improvements on the MP mold I can imagine are a slight height boost, waste swivel, updated hands in the post-MP10 style, and maybe and a hinge at the bottom of the wing so that thin extension can fold up into the main wing body instead of sticking out. That sounds extensive, but when the Classics Seeker mold is overdue for an outright replacement, it's a stark difference.

megatronus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I'm so over the 2006 seeker mold.

I feel trapped by it. I have a full squad of them, but they really are dated. I detest the idea of starting over with that group, but really wish they were bigger now that the idea of Classics have evolved.

I feel far more trapped by the MP Seeker mold. It's also from 2006 and even though they changed it a bit, its essentially the very same mold with the same problems.

You can't tell me the updated MP mold has the same issues of the Classics mold. You just can't. The only improvements on the MP mold I can imagine is a slight height boost, waste swivel, updated hands in the post-MP10 style, and maybe and a hinge at the bottom of the wing so that thin extension can fold up into the main wing body instead of sticking out. That sounds extensive, but when the Classics Seeker mold literally is overdue for an outright replacement, it's a stark difference.

Not the same issues, just more issues. The MP mold lacks stability in the chest area, and has a head that is too far back making it look totally disjointed from the rest of its body. Also the transformation is very fiddly with the nosecone and results in a clumsy backpack. That was not changed from the original 2006 mold.

Sad? no

Already have Six toys using that 1.0 deluxe seeker mold. Starscream,Thundercracker, Skywarp, Dirge, Thrust and Ramjet.

Never had any desires to buy any obsecure seeker characters for the 1.0 Seeker mold.

Think it's time HasTak created a Voyager new update toy for that 1984 Seeker design.

huh... i think im a little sad about this. but really, whats left besides redwing? maybe a proper rainmaker trio, purple air warriors/clones. s'bout all i can come up with.

Well it's about time. That mold is almost 10 years old by now- I think it can be counted as a classic toy by now. It's served us well but it's time the poor old thing was finally retired.

I tell you what would be cool though- if they retooled the Classics Seeker molds slightly and released them as an unpainted, unsassembled model kit on runners- or even released it via ShapeWays. That way people could still get the Classics toy and do it in whatever colours they feel like.

Delta Magnus wrote:I tell you what would be cool though- if they retooled the Classics Seeker molds slightly and released them as an unpainted, unsassembled model kit on runners- or even released it via ShapeWays. That way people could still get the Classics toy and do it in whatever colours they feel like.

Kabaya beat you to that idea:

Isn't the Kabaya version heavily simplified and not very poseable though? I was thinking the only modifications would be the removal of pins and subtle remolding to make it possible to assemble.

They should have shot that lame horse years ago.

Delta Magnus wrote:Isn't the Kabaya version heavily simplified and not very poseable though? I was thinking the only modifications would be the removal of pins and subtle remolding to make it possible to assemble.

From what I can tell only the knees have been eliminated, which is pretty much standard fare with all Kabaya releases.

No, they can't retire it. There's still a ton of seekers who need toys.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Seeker_%28body-type%29

I was both thrilled at the prospect of a new mold and dreading the $90 to $120 it would cost to replace the basic line-up, but I think I'm inclined not to worry about it. I'm a bigger fan of the IDW comics than anything, and the characters have diverged so much there that I don't know that I'm all that concerned about getting a set with a common mold.

I wish I could afford the Leader-Class Thundercracker and its inevitable repaints, or for preference the MP molds, as those would look good next to MP Soundwave, but that being off the table, I don't know that I care all that much anymore.

Seriously finally the seeker molds are done but honestly subscription service why haven't you made a prowl bluestreak silverstreak using the skids/crosscut generations mold yet

Seriously while looking ats ome comments poeple where complaining about teh fombiner wars having 5 robots t9 combine into 1 giant robot seriously don't youknow that combiners have been around since the orginal transformers >:-(

Starsaber468 wrote:Seriously while looking ats ome comments poeple where complaining about teh fombiner wars having 5 robots t9 combine into 1 giant robot seriously don't youknow that combiners have been around since the orginal transformers >:-(

Wrong thread buddy. You could either go here or here.

william-james88 wrote:Also the transformation is very fiddly with the nosecone and results in a clumsy backpack. That was not changed from the original 2006 mold.

You're doing it wrong. The back folds up very neatly if you do it the right way. Trust me.

I'm sad to see this mold go, but it's probably because they're planning to charge the same amount of money for repainting existing smaller and thinner figures.

I reiterate what has been said before in this topic. Only the CLUB has given this statement. HASBRO and TAKARATOMY have not. THEY can still keep using it if they want to. It's only the CLUB that's putting the mold out to pasture.

I reckon it is time to let the Classics Seeker/Starscream mold lie for a while. They've ground THAT one into the dirt for darn sure....

maybe they can move on to a different type of jet like the F-22 Rapter like IDW thundercracker in deluxe class of course

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I love this figure. To the people who are sick of it thats your choice, dont buy anymore, but I was hoping for Redwing and some more generic seekers.

So... I'm trying to count the 31 number they reference:

TFCC: (10)
-(3) Botcon 2007 Thundercracker, Thrust, Dirge
-(1) G2 Ramjet
-(1) SG Thundercracker
-(3) Botcon 2013 Hotlink, Bitstream, Sunstorm
-(2) TFCC 3.0 Nacelle, G2 Starscream

Hasbro: (8)
-(3) Classics Starscream, Skywarp, Ramjet
-(2) Universe Starscream, Acid Storm
-(3) Generations Thrust, Dirge, Thundercracker

Takara: (13)
-(7) Henkei 6 regular seekers + Ghost Starscream
-(3) Seeker Aces 3-pack
-(3) Seeker Elites 3-pack


That makes 31... are there any others, or is that the complete list?

william-james88 wrote:

megatronus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I'm so over the 2006 seeker mold.

I feel trapped by it. I have a full squad of them, but they really are dated. I detest the idea of starting over with that group, but really wish they were bigger now that the idea of Classics have evolved.

I feel far more trapped by the MP Seeker mold. It's also from 2006 and even though they changed it a bit, its essentially the very same mold with the same problems.

You can't tell me the updated MP mold has the same issues of the Classics mold. You just can't. The only improvements on the MP mold I can imagine is a slight height boost, waste swivel, updated hands in the post-MP10 style, and maybe and a hinge at the bottom of the wing so that thin extension can fold up into the main wing body instead of sticking out. That sounds extensive, but when the Classics Seeker mold literally is overdue for an outright replacement, it's a stark difference.

Not the same issues, just more issues. The MP mold lacks stability in the chest area, and has a head that is too far back making it look totally disjointed from the rest of its body. Also the transformation is very fiddly with the nosecone and results in a clumsy backpack. That was not changed from the original 2006 mold.

While I see your point (and disagree with the head and transformation/backpack comments - most of the MPs, especially the cars, have awkward backpacks), I'm still not sure it's an apt comparison.

But hey, that's just me... and I'm coming off an MP Seeker high with the addition of an MP11 style Skywarp to the lineup.

nacelle looks like ultra magnus and starscreams lovechild