Transformers: Fall of Cybertron "The Illustrated Tour Of Cybertron"

Sabrblade wrote:You need to. The stories of the books are very different from those of the games, and the Prime cartoon seems to tie in more with the books than with the games.

Sabrblade wrote:Hmm, off the top of my head, I can't recall Exodus talking of larger TFs during the pre-war times (Unicron's attack --> the War of the Primes --> the Age of Wrath --> the Golden Age --> the rise of the caste system --> the war). Though, during the Golden Age, Bruticus Maximus was created by Shockwave as the first gestalt, but his combined form proved too unstable and was put into stasis. He did not resurface until later in the war, which he took part in as an active living combatant.

Other combiners, the Devastators and Defensor, did not show up until during the war.

NatsumeRyu wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You need to. The stories of the books are very different from those of the games, and the Prime cartoon seems to tie in more with the books than with the games.

Believe it or not, that's not encouraging me to want to read them, LOL. If the reverse were true (more game friendly) than I would be inclined. It's not that I don't like Prime, but I'm more interested in games. And since it's my college major, it helps if I sort-of focus on games for school, lol.

NatsumeRyu wrote:I would then be inclined to think that Shockwave would create the gestalts as a call back to their former glory as Cybertronians; his attempts at once again reaching whatever pinnacle they were at and now apparently don't have full records of anymore. *shrug*

Sabrblade wrote:The Illustrated Tour Of Cybertron

Cybertron, Iacon, Sea of Rust, Space Bridge, Insecticon Invasion, Shockwave's Lair, Kaon, the Nemesis, the Ark, Teletran.

Of note, the Nemesis looks very faithful to its look in the Prime cartoon.

Shadowman wrote:Here's the problem with that. WfC had a big gallery of art that looked like that. Not exactly, mind you, but the same style, incredibly impressive landscapes and such. And very, very little of it ended up being used to make anything in the game. While it looks beautiful (And some of them are screenshots rather than art) keep in mind that it's highly unlikely this is what the game will look like.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Here's the problem with that. WfC had a big gallery of art that looked like that. Not exactly, mind you, but the same style, incredibly impressive landscapes and such. And very, very little of it ended up being used to make anything in the game. While it looks beautiful (And some of them are screenshots rather than art) keep in mind that it's highly unlikely this is what the game will look like.

Sadly, I have to agree. As much as the artwork kicks ass in lots of places, its probably best to base the game on the actual rendered pics. I like the colours in the lighting, but I hope we get the same variety (in colour and level complexity) as shown from some of the more ground based environments concepts.

Starscream GaGa wrote:I wonder if this game will be based on the G1 cartoon continuity or the Prime continuity? I really hope Grimlock is liek his cartoon self?

And before anyway says they're not the same continuity, go back and play the first game again, because it was undeniably made with the 80's cartoon in mind.

Starscream GaGa wrote:I wonder if this game will be based on the G1 cartoon continuity or the Prime continuity? I really hope Grimlock is like his cartoon self?

Starscream GaGa wrote:And before anyway says they're not the same continuity, go back and play the first game again, because it was undeniably made with the 80's cartoon in mind.

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

Shadowman wrote:Here's the problem with that. WfC had a big gallery of art that looked like that. Not exactly, mind you, but the same style, incredibly impressive landscapes and such. And very, very little of it ended up being used to make anything in the game. While it looks beautiful (And some of them are screenshots rather than art) keep in mind that it's highly unlikely this is what the game will look like.

NatsumeRyu wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Here's the problem with that. WfC had a big gallery of art that looked like that. Not exactly, mind you, but the same style, incredibly impressive landscapes and such. And very, very little of it ended up being used to make anything in the game. While it looks beautiful (And some of them are screenshots rather than art) keep in mind that it's highly unlikely this is what the game will look like.

Can you link me to the gallery, so I can argue against your point?

Shadowman wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

We've been over this already. Grimlock is the finishing move here, too. He can't exist on Cybertron if Wheeljack built him on Earth in the present day, can he?

And, as Sabrblade said, looking like G1 does not make it G1. Because Animated is designed to be one homage after another, and Beast Wars looks nothing like G1.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

We've been over this already. Grimlock is the finishing move here, too. He can't exist on Cybertron if Wheeljack built him on Earth in the present day, can he?

And, as Sabrblade said, looking like G1 does not make it G1. Because Animated is designed to be one homage after another, and Beast Wars looks nothing like G1.

Marvel G1 Comics, they were on the ark with the other Autobots and awoken by teletran-1 to stop Shockwave.

Shadowman wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

We've been over this already. Grimlock is the finishing move here, too. He can't exist on Cybertron if Wheeljack built him on Earth in the present day, can he?

And, as Sabrblade said, looking like G1 does not make it G1. Because Animated is designed to be one homage after another, and Beast Wars looks nothing like G1.

Marvel G1 Comics, they were on the ark with the other Autobots and awoken by teletran-1 to stop Shockwave.

Yeah, but everyone is always saying it's supposed to be a prequel to the G1 Cartoon. In any case, there's too many inconsistencies either way, and it doesn't fit with the cartoon or comics.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Poor WFC doesn't fit in anywhere. Has to eat his lunch with the janitor at school.

Shadowman wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Poor WFC doesn't fit in anywhere. Has to eat his lunch with the janitor at school.

Aligned is a about as much of a mess as G1 was. WfC/FoC, Exodus/Exiles, and TFP all barely fit in with each other. I'll chalk it up to miscommunication, the people working on all three pieces not working together. They've only recently been patching it all together, like Ratchet retelling bits of Exodus in TFP, or FoC Cliffjumper integrating parts of his TFP design.

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

Shadowman wrote:

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

If it was a prequel to G1, then the developers skipped a loooot of episodes. Like Fire in the Sky, War Dawn, The Key to Vector Sigma, etc.

Also, Matt Tieger is a pathological liar. So even if he said WfC was meant to be a prequel to G1, he also said a lot of things that never came to pass.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

If it was a prequel to G1, then the developers skipped a loooot of episodes. Like Fire in the Sky, War Dawn, The Key to Vector Sigma, etc.

Also, Matt Tieger is a pathological liar. So even if he said WfC was meant to be a prequel to G1, he also said a lot of things that never came to pass.

Tell us how you really feel about Matt Tieger Shadowman.

Shadowman wrote:

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

If it was a prequel to G1, then the developers skipped a loooot of episodes. Like Fire in the Sky, War Dawn, The Key to Vector Sigma, etc.

Also, Matt Tieger is a pathological liar. So even if he said WfC was meant to be a prequel to G1, he also said a lot of things that never came to pass.

lowman_x wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

If it was a prequel to G1, then the developers skipped a loooot of episodes. Like Fire in the Sky, War Dawn, The Key to Vector Sigma, etc.

Also, Matt Tieger is a pathological liar. So even if he said WfC was meant to be a prequel to G1, he also said a lot of things that never came to pass.

I meant that it was probably a re-booting/imagining of the G1 continuity (ala IDW "-ation" series) which would mean: same characters, same general history, but not tied down to anything specific (cartoon episodes, comic storylines, etc).

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Marvel G1 Comics, they were on the ark with the other Autobots and awoken by teletran-1 to stop Shockwave.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Poor WFC doesn't fit in anywhere. Has to eat his lunch with the janitor at school.

Shadowman wrote:Aligned is a about as much of a mess as G1 was. WfC/FoC, Exodus/Exiles, and TFP all barely fit in with each other. I'll chalk it up to miscommunication, the people working on all three pieces not working together. They've only recently been patching it all together, like Ratchet retelling bits of Exodus in TFP, or FoC Cliffjumper integrating parts of his TFP design.

lowman_x wrote:It definitely feels like putting WFC within the TF:Prime continuity was an after thought. I remember reading promo material about WFC (well before TF Prime had even been mentioned) saying how we would, for the first time, get the true history of the Transformers before they came to Earth. We would get the chance to experience the TF civil war. It all alluded to being the beginnings of the G1 continuity.

lowman_x wrote:I also don't believe that the character designs were just meant to be homages to G1 characters - I honestly believe that this was meant to be an updated retelling of the G1 continuity (like IDW did with the "-ation" series) and that's what the designers went into the game basing it on - "We're doing G1! Booyah!".

lowman_x wrote:THEN I think Hasbro came in (after the game had started to be made)and went: "Well, we're starting a new continuity called TF: Prime which is kinda a cross of Bayverse, G1 and a bit of Animated and we really want to market that... so... we're going to say that everything from here on out is in that continuity. Oh, and that game you've been working on and obviously basing on G1? Yeah, that's now Prime continuity too. Anyone got a sturdy shoehorn? You're gonna need it. Any sequels? Yeah, you're gonna have to start throwing in obvious TF; Prime stuff for those." (Like Cliffjumper's head design in the latest promo stuff.)

I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

lowman_x wrote:It definitely feels like putting WFC within the TF:Prime continuity was an after thought. I remember reading promo material about WFC (well before TF Prime had even been mentioned) saying how we would, for the first time, get the true history of the Transformers before they came to Earth. We would get the chance to experience the TF civil war. It all alluded to being the beginnings of the G1 continuity. I also don't believe that the character designs were just meant to be homages to G1 characters - I honestly believe that this was meant to be an updated retelling of the G1 continuity (like IDW did with the "-ation" series) and that's what the designers went into the game basing it on - "We're doing G1! Booyah!".

THEN I think Hasbro came in (after the game had started to be made)and went: "Well, we're starting a new continuity called TF: Prime which is kinda a cross of Bayverse, G1 and a bit of Animated and we really want to market that... so... we're going to say that everything from here on out is in that continuity. Oh, and that game you've been working on and obviously basing on G1? Yeah, that's now Prime continuity too. Anyone got a sturdy shoehorn? You're gonna need it. Any sequels? Yeah, you're gonna have to start throwing in obvious TF; Prime stuff for those." (Like Cliffjumper's head design in the latest promo stuff.)


Agreed, thats what I pretty much thought when I heard about it being linked to TF Prime. I dont know why they couldn't just let it be its own thing. It would have allowed them to make another seperate toy line. They probably think kids might get confused. I think they underestimate children..
I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

lowman_x wrote:It definitely feels like putting WFC within the TF:Prime continuity was an after thought. I remember reading promo material about WFC (well before TF Prime had even been mentioned) saying how we would, for the first time, get the true history of the Transformers before they came to Earth. We would get the chance to experience the TF civil war. It all alluded to being the beginnings of the G1 continuity. I also don't believe that the character designs were just meant to be homages to G1 characters - I honestly believe that this was meant to be an updated retelling of the G1 continuity (like IDW did with the "-ation" series) and that's what the designers went into the game basing it on - "We're doing G1! Booyah!".

THEN I think Hasbro came in (after the game had started to be made)and went: "Well, we're starting a new continuity called TF: Prime which is kinda a cross of Bayverse, G1 and a bit of Animated and we really want to market that... so... we're going to say that everything from here on out is in that continuity. Oh, and that game you've been working on and obviously basing on G1? Yeah, that's now Prime continuity too. Anyone got a sturdy shoehorn? You're gonna need it. Any sequels? Yeah, you're gonna have to start throwing in obvious TF; Prime stuff for those." (Like Cliffjumper's head design in the latest promo stuff.)


Agreed, thats what I pretty much thought when I heard about it being linked to TF Prime. I dont know why they couldn't just let it be its own thing. It would have allowed them to make another seperate toy line. They probably think kids might get confused. I think they underestimate children..
I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

BLUDGEON wrote:Agreed, thats what I pretty much thought when I heard about it being linked to TF Prime. I dont know why they couldn't just let it be its own thing. It would have allowed them to make another seperate toy line. They probably think kids might get confused. I think they underestimate children..
I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

Sabrblade wrote:

BLUDGEON wrote:Agreed, thats what I pretty much thought when I heard about it being linked to TF Prime. I dont know why they couldn't just let it be its own thing. It would have allowed them to make another seperate toy line. They probably think kids might get confused. I think they underestimate children..
I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

Aside from the homages to G1, what surefire evidence do we have to say that it was originally intended to be a G1 game, exactly?

wigglez323 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

BLUDGEON wrote:Agreed, thats what I pretty much thought when I heard about it being linked to TF Prime. I dont know why they couldn't just let it be its own thing. It would have allowed them to make another seperate toy line. They probably think kids might get confused. I think they underestimate children..
I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

Aside from the homages to G1, what surefire evidence do we have to say that it was originally intended to be a G1 game, exactly?

All the interview videos with Tieger about WFC

wigglez323 wrote:All the interview videos with Tieger about WFC

Shadowman wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:All the interview videos with Tieger about WFC

That's no reason to assume it was true.

Matt Tieger has to direct Optimus Prime. He has to direct the player's experience and he has to direct High Moon Studios as they work on Transformers: Fall of Cybertron. While technically a sequel to 2010's War for Cybertron, due to some radical changes in story structure and gameplay, Matt Tieger prefers to call Fall of Cybertron a spiritual successor. We had a chance to sit down the game's director to talk about his history in the gaming industry and what it is like to be a key player in one of the largest franchises in entertainment.

wigglez323 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

BLUDGEON wrote:Agreed, thats what I pretty much thought when I heard about it being linked to TF Prime. I dont know why they couldn't just let it be its own thing. It would have allowed them to make another seperate toy line. They probably think kids might get confused. I think they underestimate children..
I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

Aside from the homages to G1, what surefire evidence do we have to say that it was originally intended to be a G1 game, exactly?

All the interview videos with Tieger about WFC

BLUDGEON wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

BLUDGEON wrote:Agreed, thats what I pretty much thought when I heard about it being linked to TF Prime. I dont know why they couldn't just let it be its own thing. It would have allowed them to make another seperate toy line. They probably think kids might get confused. I think they underestimate children..
I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

Aside from the homages to G1, what surefire evidence do we have to say that it was originally intended to be a G1 game, exactly?

All the interview videos with Tieger about WFC

Yeah, they said it was based on/around G1

prowl123 wrote:Just recieved this mon'th's gameinformer, and the featured article if FOC.

We have Vortex, Grimlock, Megatron, Optimus, Cliffjumper, and Jazz shown.

Sabrblade wrote:

prowl123 wrote:Just recieved this mon'th's gameinformer, and the featured article if FOC.

We have Vortex, Grimlock, Megatron, Optimus, Cliffjumper, and Jazz shown.

Aside from OP, Grimlock, and CJ, does anyone else look different from WFC?

Sabrblade wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

BLUDGEON wrote:Agreed, thats what I pretty much thought when I heard about it being linked to TF Prime. I dont know why they couldn't just let it be its own thing. It would have allowed them to make another seperate toy line. They probably think kids might get confused. I think they underestimate children..
I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

Aside from the homages to G1, what surefire evidence do we have to say that it was originally intended to be a G1 game, exactly?

All the interview videos with Tieger about WFC

Lemme see.

Sabrblade wrote:

BLUDGEON wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

BLUDGEON wrote:Agreed, thats what I pretty much thought when I heard about it being linked to TF Prime. I dont know why they couldn't just let it be its own thing. It would have allowed them to make another seperate toy line. They probably think kids might get confused. I think they underestimate children..
I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

Aside from the homages to G1, what surefire evidence do we have to say that it was originally intended to be a G1 game, exactly?

All the interview videos with Tieger about WFC

Yeah, they said it was based on/around G1

Like I said, show me. I want to see them.

BLUDGEON wrote:'We went back to G1.. that was the cornerstone of everything we did...'

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ron/18531/

Watch the video..

BLUDGEON wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhM5mVAc3QE&feature=related

At 1:51....

*High fives Wigglez323*

Shadowman wrote:

BLUDGEON wrote:'We went back to G1.. that was the cornerstone of everything we did...'

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ron/18531/

Watch the video..

It says they used it as a basis, not that it's set in G1. All TF series use G1 as a basis.

wigglez323 wrote:We've found proof. And you still deny it.