Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review!

Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review!

Tuesday, April 20th, 2010 12:46pm CDT

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Is this comic series guilty of fanwank? Bringing in characters, and ideas of old to simply make us hardcore fans cryout on message boards how awesome issues are? Many have labeled it as such, which in the text that I have heard the slang fanwank used, likens it to being worse than stealing candy from babies (babies don’t get candy by the way--sad wikitron fan fact). Being talked down upon for being unoriginal, and only liked due to its yank at our gut... is that what this series means to us?

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By now you know my feelings about the art, and the much more enjoyable story in this compared to other recent IDW Transformers offerings. Pick any RECENT issue of an IDW Transformers series...got it..good? Wreckers is better in all aspects, any issue of the mini beats any issue you could choose.

So it’s time to start nit-picking Mr. Roche’s story. He’s starting to wrap it up. We have the ‘penultimate’ issue of the series here. Penultimate series issue means--SOME ANSWERS. Unlike ABC’s LOST (in it’s final season), we get SOME answers to our WRECKERS questions, even though they may seem about as satisfying as many of the answers to the mysteries on said show (NOT SATISFYING AT ALL) are.

What do we get answers to?

    -what Wrecker(s) spark is extinguished
    -what ‘aequitas’ is
    -how Ironfist ‘made’ it on the Wreckers
    -how totally ‘bad’ Springer really is
    -how many OMG moments can Nick Roche put in one series
    -how lame Pyro is/is not
    -what the black smoke is (oops, wrong fiction)
    -how the Wreckers will probably get out of this whole thing
    -what was the choice Overlord offered

!!!!!!!SPOILERS!!!

AEQUITAS
This question bugged me since the beginning. And like the answer to the statue on LOST, this one left me disappointed. We were right that aequitas had to do with judgement (google search definition, it’s there). We were right that it was big. But as far as I know, the rest of our ideas we had were all wrong. The biggest let down of this issue is probably this whole plot point’s revelation. Such a pity. Unless you are happy that it was not the obvious. Seeing this one play out in the final issue will determine my happiness with this answer. Fanwank critics should rejoice though...as in this does not feed our wankiness.
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WRECKER DEATH
At least one spark is extinguished on the good guys side in this issue, and it relates to the above disappointment. To be expected with so many cons headhunting them on Overlord’s orders (last issue).

IRONFIST
We find out a whole lot about Ironfist/Fisitron this issue. We knew from last issue that some strings were pulled to get him in, ie he skipped tryouts and was appointed to the team. Who might do this? None other than the high-ranking Autobot subject of our other review this month. On top of this we find out Ironfist is credited with making some of the most memorable weapons in certain Transformers’ arsenals, as well as, countless other WMD’s used in the Cybertronian War. Plus, he seems to get +10 in the brains department based on events in the final few pages of this issue. But he also may be upping his insanity +2. Lots going on with this character.
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"A brilliantly designed piece of firepower is a work of art to me."

-SIDE SLIDE- finally we get the return of the Autobot Wiki in this issue’s end, and this entry is none other than our befuddled, hero worshiper, IRONFIST. Great, you guys (IDW) forgot to do this in two other issues. Maybe you’ll put something in the final issue about Overlord that takes three pages or something...

--SIDE SLIDE 2--I love how they use the older looking pages, colors, etc., for the flashback pages. What a nice touch from the artistic side, and I never mentioned it before.

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SPRINGER = BAD@$$
While looking a crazed torturer in the face plate, Springer manages to have a conversation with Impactor about his feelings. We get to see part of the reason Springer is the leader of the Wreckers, as the two soldiers wax philosophical about the situation that landed Impactor in Garrus-9. This flashback is why Springer should be everyone’s favorite character. Oh my god, behind enemy lines type stuff here. Gritty, grimy, and so Wrecker like. Wait what about Topspin, aww sh--, no way! Stalker is quite good at his job, but someone seems to be a bit better.

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OMG
Umm...so everyone was saying something about fun, and fanwank right? Wrong. This series has turned psychological, brutal, and dramatic. This issue revs it up a notch for some things that you were probably not prepared for. Sure there is fanwank type stuff here, but there is more that is just downright gut-wrenching, unexpected, and mind-boggling. Fun has turned into crazy, we’re talking messed up Joker crazy. Disorders upon disorder. It is somewhat tough to swallow at times, because of the dramatic change. But it seems to work for the story.

Okay, some wankiness... a Legion of Doom version of the Wreckers... really? C’mon...
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PYRO
Lame, lame, lame. People are going to want to take their Botcon versions and firecracker them after seeing this coward called out, and how he responds. He needs to be drummed out, assuming he survived. Somewhat predictable...probably with all his he’s Optimus Prime Jr. talk.

THE BLACK SMOKE
It’s bad Locke. It’s the opposite of Jacob, and it wants off the island. And if you cross it, it can kill your @$$.

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THE MACGUFFIN
Once again, it is present, and once again, it may just save the day. Obvious, and easy, it better not be the ‘way out’. Boo to you Perceptor for offering it. Did you hate how the Magnificence made everything ‘too convenient’ in the ‘tion’ series wrap up? Perceptor had better have hated it enough to not use the one present here. Unfortunately, he voted YES.

THE CHOICE
“Fight me, or die...” Not much choice. Same result.

What’s old is new again...
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Springer and Impactor UK #167

Where are these guys?
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Springer, Sandstorm, and Broadside UK #88

No surprise that you will enjoy reading this one, and probably have to read it a few times . Then you will still be saying, “what the slag just happened?”

Obviously, I do not want to spoil everything for you, but our thoughts about Grimlock are addressed to a degree. I tried to review the plot in this issue without giving up exactly what happened. Hard to do with this and the next issue being the series wrap.

No matter what I say, you’ll be first in line tomorrow to buy it. You should. Buy two. One for each eye. It’s that enjoyable. And it has been that long since we have had something to look forward to this much.

Check out the five page LAST STAND OF THE WRECKERS #4 preview to get a taste for yourself!

Credit(s): IDW Publishing


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Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066262)
Posted by Jeysie on April 20th, 2010 @ 1:31pm CDT
I'm not disappointed by the reveal of what Aequitas is, at least, as I knew from the clues presented and the type of story we were getting that what most people were hoping/guessing wasn't likely to happen. This just isn't a story for the obvious.

Still, I did note on another forum that I thought they were taking a big risk with that sort of "big deal" buildup plotline, as it's hard as hell to pull them off effectively. Seeing as how the MacGuffin hints you mention worry me, as the new question about Aequitas is "Why is it so important?".

Not disappointed by Pyro, either, as that's where his own clues led. It was just a matter of when and how. I like how every newbie Wrecker has their dark bit/Achilles' Heel... Rotorstorm's probably lucky he got to exit the stage before his was thrown into play.

I so love where Ironfist's bit seems to be going in the previews. I'm pleased to hear that you're saying it's psychological and dramatic, too. I love a good Psychological Nightmare Fuel scifi story, especially since they're not all that common in TF.
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066371)
Posted by Darth Bombshell on April 20th, 2010 @ 6:41pm CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:Is this comic series guilty of fanwank?


I take issue with the description of this series as "fanwank." While it is true that this series might be guilty of overly fanwankery, it's also a lot of other things: engaging, fun, not guilty of treating the intelligence of the reader like that of a twelve year old, not looking for all the world like it was written by a twelve year old, and most important, treating with respect what came before.

In other words, everything the other two major titles of the G1 brand (Bumblebee and the ongoing), have not been.

So I say, let people call it fanwank. Personally, if it leads to stuff like this, I'm all for the fan being wanked. (And wow, that SO did not come out the way I meant it to... :P)
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066378)
Posted by Tigertrack on April 20th, 2010 @ 6:57pm CDT
Darth Bombshell wrote:
tigertracks 24 wrote:Is this comic series guilty of fanwank?


I take issue with the description of this series as "fanwank." While it is true that this series might be guilty of overly fanwankery, it's also a lot of other things: engaging, fun, not guilty of treating the intelligence of the reader like that of a twelve year old, not looking for all the world like it was written by a twelve year old, and most important, treating with respect what came before.

In other words, everything the other two major titles of the G1 brand (Bumblebee and the ongoing), have not been.

So I say, let people call it fanwank. Personally, if it leads to stuff like this, I'm all for the fan being wanked. (And wow, that SO did not come out the way I meant it to... :P)


Just so you know, I agree, I love it, but it has been discussed that there is fanwankery about with this series.

I personally just enjoy it. I try not to read too much into the whole thing.
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066381)
Posted by Darth Bombshell on April 20th, 2010 @ 7:02pm CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:Just so you know, I agree, I love it, but it has been discussed that there is fanwankery about with this series.

I personally just enjoy it. I try not to read too much into the whole thing.


Well, when you get right down to it, yes, this series is guilty of fanwankery. There's really no getting around it. On the other hand, it's written by two people who are fans, so that means that they can get away with it, because you know there not doing it just to have something there so someone can point out "Hey, that's a reference to so-and-so."
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066404)
Posted by Jeysie on April 20th, 2010 @ 8:25pm CDT
I have to admit I don't see what's so fanwanky about the series myself.

Yeah, there's references here and there, but, um, most stories like to put in easter eggs, and these stories don't revolve around them. (Heck, I don't even recognize most of them unless they get pointed out to me. Plus I'd point out that Megatron Origins had a lot of fanwanky refs, and look how well that one went over.)

Meanwhile, there's nothing fanwanky about the plot itself that I can pinpoint. Just a lot of solid, good writing.
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066420)
Posted by First-Aid on April 20th, 2010 @ 9:11pm CDT
I believe fanwank may in fact be an understatement; what it really is may in fact get me banned from the site so i won't say it, but it involves prostitutes. I much prefer the new G1 take. It's more original, and is going places the original series didn't. And that is EXACTLY why most of you don't like it; it's not Simon Furman, it's not old school Marvel, it's not a regugitation of Transformers lore from the 80's. It's something new and fun and completely and utterly different.

That being said, I am enjoy the Wreckers series as well. As different as the ongoing series is, the Wreckers series is more "same ol same ol". And that's why it's so popular with the fanboys.
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066427)
Posted by Jeysie on April 20th, 2010 @ 9:44pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:I much prefer the new G1 take. It's more original, and is going places the original series didn't.

Er... I think you have this a bit backwards.

The -ations were original. The story and characters all went in a lot of creative and unique directions that hadn't been done in the G1 stories I'm familiar with, at least, and it felt like it was really building to something interesting.

And then AHM basically threw out everything that was new and unique to retread several old cliches and turn everyone from their previous reinvented selves into more Sunbow-ish versions of themselves, as well as throwing out the more little-used characters in favor of the '84 crowd that always seems to get the spotlight.

The ongoing is somewhat better, but it still carries on the cliche characterization, as well as making several characters act like idiots on top of it. Further, it's gone from the previous interesting grey back to the "bleeding heart good guys and bad guys who stab each other in the back even when it's not in their best interest" type of characterization. We also go from an interesting treatment of humans not being important to the same "humans are special" attitude.

Personally, I wish the new G1 take actually was original, as it would soften the sting of losing the unique take the series started out with. There was a real step for AHM to do something new and interesting... but instead we have the Decepticons going around doing random damage on Earth and the Autobots moping around uselessly.

And then there was a real step for the ongoing to do something different with the Swindle & Hot Rod setup... but nope, the sudden and inevitable betrayal occurs and we're instead back to the same status quo instead of forging something actually new.

First-Aid wrote:And that is EXACTLY why most of you don't like it; it's not Simon Furman, it's not old school Marvel, it's not a regugitation of Transformers lore from the 80's.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I came in with the movies, so I didn't know Furman from a hole in the wall until I read the -ations, and later the Marvel stuff.

I liked the -ations because it was good and interesting reading, I disliked AHM because it was cliche and poorly written, and I'm just sort of meh on the ongoing because it's just boringly uncreative. With the post-AHM stuff, I can't help but feel like it keeps reminding me of the old Sunbow and Marvel storylines, rather than doing anything new.

First-Aid wrote:That being said, I am enjoy the Wreckers series as well. As different as the ongoing series is, the Wreckers series is more "same ol same ol". And that's why it's so popular with the fanboys.

Again, I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I love Wreckers is because so far it's just so damn well-written.

We have characters with rich and interesting development and snappy dialogue (dialogue in particular being something none of IDW's other writers--including Furman--has gotten all that right, IMHO). We have exposition handled expertly. We have a layered story with a ridiculous amount of meticulously placed details that I keep discovering when I go back and read the older issues after a new issue comes out, or when people point out to me little things and connections I had missed. We have action and suspense that have been greatly missing from the rest of IDW's works lately. We have some great psychological horror fuel that also doesn't often show up in TF fiction as of late.

There's also a lot of interesting ideas going on here. This is pretty much the sort of scifi story I've been wanting to see ever since I discovered TF, and one of the few occasions said scifi stories actually have been delivered in TF fiction.

Fanwank pretty much just doesn't enter into it for me.

Meanwhile, there's SL: Prowl. The setup of AHM #15 was a chance to do something new and interesting with Prowl and his manipulative strategic plans, and a lot of interesting political intrigue and moral questions... but instead the review makes it sound an awful lot like we're instead getting the same old of Prowl becoming just another typical bleeding-heart sort of Autobot.
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066499)
Posted by Tigertrack on April 21st, 2010 @ 6:55am CDT
Jeysie, please read for yourself and let me know what you think about Prowl after you are done.

While I like a lot fo my Autobots to be 'bleeding hearts' to a degree, I don't think they all have to spill over with emotions every second. I just want them to be what they are...better than the Decepticons at being moral and in their choice making. There will certainly be levels of morality within their ranks, and levels of emotion.

I don't want Prowl to turn into Bumblebee. I want him to be Prowl. But I do want him to understand why he is an Autobot and not a Decepticon. And that line is drawn not only by the badge you wear, but by the choices you make.

I DO NOT feel that LSOTW is fanwank. I just heard it thrown around, and though I would focus on it as a way of reviewing this issue.

The fact that it is using super-obscure characters (mostly) with no previous fiction (or not much) in their past, to me makes it less fanwankish.

Sure I think there are easter eggs, which is what I prefer to call them. But in no way is it like Dreamwave did with a lot of their G1... Here's Seibertron's website name in the name of a bar in Iacon, here's a heat sensitive badge, look on the computer- it's Unicron. Look at those guys driving around the city- hey is that the A-Team's van?

I don't know if any of you ever read Top Ten, but that to me had a lot of Fanwank drawn in the background, and some in the story. And yet I still loved the series.

Top Ten to me has a bunch of fanwank, but is still a great book!
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066521)
Posted by Jeysie on April 21st, 2010 @ 8:52am CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:Jeysie, please read for yourself and let me know what you think about Prowl after you are done.

I'm going to... but honestly, based on your misconception in your replies of logic vs. emotion regards being good/evil, I'm not holding out much hope for it being the type of story I'd been hoping to get as opposed to the one I was afraid we'd get.

tigertracks 24 wrote:But I do want him to understand why he is an Autobot and not a Decepticon. And that line is drawn not only by the badge you wear, but by the choices you make.

Prowl is and always has been an Autobot. I covered this more in detail in the other thread, but basically your mistake is thinking you have to be a pure paladin-type who never compromises in order to be a true good guy. Life isn't that black and white, and good adult fiction shouldn't be either, IMHO.

Plus, honestly, that sort of black and whiteness just bad from a storytelling perspective too. There was a lot of good storytelling potential from the progress and fallout you'd get if AHM #15's storyhooks were continued and developed. There's boo all for interesting storytelling if Prowl's just the same old usual goodie-goodie Autobot-type with everything from AHM #15 simply dropped. I'm almost sorry we got that story, not because it's not awesome, but because I knew IDW's other writers likely wouldn't be able to live up to it.
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066536)
Posted by Tigertrack on April 21st, 2010 @ 9:48am CDT
Jeysie wrote:
tigertracks 24 wrote:Jeysie, please read for yourself and let me know what you think about Prowl after you are done.

I'm going to... but honestly, based on your misconception in your replies of logic vs. emotion regards being good/evil, I'm not holding out much hope for it being the type of story I'd been hoping to get as opposed to the one I was afraid we'd get.

tigertracks 24 wrote:But I do want him to understand why he is an Autobot and not a Decepticon. And that line is drawn not only by the badge you wear, but by the choices you make.

Prowl is and always has been an Autobot. I covered this more in detail in the other thread, but basically your mistake is thinking you have to be a pure paladin-type who never compromises in order to be a true good guy. Life isn't that black and white, and good adult fiction shouldn't be either, IMHO.

Plus, honestly, that sort of black and whiteness just bad from a storytelling perspective too. There was a lot of good storytelling potential from the progress and fallout you'd get if AHM #15's storyhooks were continued and developed. There's boo all for interesting storytelling if Prowl's just the same old usual goodie-goodie Autobot-type with everything from AHM #15 simply dropped. I'm almost sorry we got that story, not because it's not awesome, but because I knew IDW's other writers likely wouldn't be able to live up to it.


Please understand, my 'misconceoptions' are just meanderings. I'm not a writer, and Transformers or TF lore is not my paid profession. I'm 35, and I think about a lot more things than just Prowl's character and IDW's story writing abilities. I'm not employed by IDW, I am on Seibertron staff, and offered because I read and enjoy the comics and cartoons so much that I offered to do take the time to do this to share with the community.

So while you want a character for adult fiction (write some, or if you already have, share it), I am linking Prowl more to my childhood/cartoon version of him in which yes, good guys are making choices for the greater good, no matter what their personality is. If they aren't, they are bad guys, right.

While you may think that kind of character is bad for storytelling others may not.

Everyone has qualities that are important to them. These qualities can be qualities that a good or bad person has. Dealing with your beliefs, these qualities can inhibit or positively add to your goals...

I'm just trying to enjoy some Transformers. I'm not trying to over-analyze the professionals who create material.

I enjoy reading it. Could they possibly do more to make it more enjoyable? Sure. Do I like missing plot points never getting resolved? No. Do I enjoy reboot after reboot after reboot? NO.
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066544)
Posted by Jeysie on April 21st, 2010 @ 10:07am CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:Please understand, my 'misconceoptions' are just meanderings. I'm not a writer, and Transformers or TF lore is not my paid profession.

That's not what I was trying to imply.

I more meant that, since we seem to have very different views on what we wanted to see done with Prowl's character and which storytelling angles we like, the fact that you like what they did with him makes me feel I probably won't.

Although now I'm confused, because...

tigertracks 24 wrote:So while you want a character for adult fiction (write some, or if you already have, share it), I am linking Prowl more to my childhood/cartoon version of him in which yes, good guys are making choices for the greater good, no matter what their personality is. If they aren't, they are bad guys, right.

...because I agree that good guys should make choices for the greater good. And Prowl is and always has been that guy in IDW up until Costa changed him--even in AHM #15 (maybe especially in AHM #15).

And that's what I like about Prowl; that he's always looking ahead to the big picture without letting emotions or sentimentality get in the way, whereas other Autobots tend to impulsively do what's feel-good in the short-term but damaging to the greater good in the long term.

So, if we both actually have the same idea of what's good/bad, now I totally don't understand any of your comments about the character needing to learn to become more Autobot or whichever.

(And, uh... I want to read adult fiction, so writing it myself would be kind of pointless. Plus, you misunderstood me--it's less a statement of wanting adult fiction and more pointing out that that's what IDW is writing. IDW is obviously trying for adult fiction in tone, so I simply expect the writing quality to match.)
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1066814)
Posted by lowman_x on April 22nd, 2010 @ 6:26am CDT
This may contain spoilers...

It may be a "fanwank". Or it may just be a story from someone who grew up with a bunch of the (awesome) UK TF bit-characters and wondered (like I used to) about what their backstories were. Fang, Macabre, Rack-n-Ruin, Ferak, Impactor... I remember these guys. In fact, I know these guys better than the other "never-been-in-a-comic-before-I-was-only-a-toy-release" characters (I never had a lot of the toys growing up).

The reveal was good. I hadn't built it up in my head so I was wasn't let down at all. I was actually disturbed by Twin Twist's torture and demise. I'm interested to see what will happen to Ironfist now that his head contains Aequitas and he blacks out all the time... maybe it will become sentient and take over his body when he blacks out?

I'm really not liking Perceptor.

If they blow up all the chips in the ex-prisoners' heads then doesn't that mean that Grimlock's head will explode too (wherever he is)? Maybe it will and that will make him stupid... :P

I can't wait for the conclusion! Awesome!
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Posted by Mkall on April 22nd, 2010 @ 4:58pm CDT
I may have missed the explanation, but why does the all-powerful judging computer, which holds sway over the entire Justice system on a planet require an Autobot to COMMIT SUICIDE to run?

To me that seemed completely un-necessary. Other than that, completely awesome.
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1067035)
Posted by Jeysie on April 22nd, 2010 @ 5:32pm CDT
Mkall wrote:I may have missed the explanation, but why does the all-powerful judging computer, which holds sway over the entire Justice system on a planet require an Autobot to COMMIT SUICIDE to run?

To me that seemed completely un-necessary. Other than that, completely awesome.

Since I happened to address this already elsewhere, I'll borrow my post to here:

"Actually, I think it makes some sense from a computer security perspective.

If a system has a backdoor of some kind in case of password loss, you basically create a new security hole. What's the point of a password to begin with if it can just be bypassed by someone saavy enough to throw in some "safe-boot" action, or a boot from an access program on a thumbdrive, or something similar?

This basically is an attempt to make sure that the backdoor in question is also secure in some way. Because, think about it. How many Decepticons do YOU know that are willing to self-sacrifice themselves without any coercion? One of the few who is just died trying to stop Overlord."

And to borrow another addendum from the IDW boards:

"Yeah, but that's a failsafe that you only have to worry about if there are NO REMAINING members of Garrus-9's command crew around to circumvent it.

I mean, if your entire command staff has died, clearly you don't want anyone getting access to this thing without paying a very steep price. Not only that, but one that only Autobots (or possibly fanatical Decepticons) would be willing to pay.

It struck me as being rather smart, actually."
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1067398)
Posted by Dead Metal on April 23rd, 2010 @ 3:16pm CDT
Ow man the writing is top notch, I actually feel sorry for the guys that die in this, while usually I just have this "oh well one chunk of metal less" attitude when it's someone I don't know from my childhood.

I was never fond of Twintwist and Topspin since I never really knew them that well and their toys look rubbish and "not badass" but now I actually feel like "no why did they have to go?!" I hope we get classics toys for them.

The reveal was good. I hadn't built it up in my head so I was wasn't let down at all. I was actually disturbed by Twin Twist's torture and demise. I'm interested to see what will happen to Ironfist now that his head contains Aequitas and he blacks out all the time... maybe it will become sentient and take over his body when he blacks out?

That would be awesome, especially if they threw in a Venom Easter-egg like "Protect the innocent, punish the guilty", since the computer is the Autobot's judge and Venom is crazy like that.:P

I loved Pyro's fan-fiction story with Prime :lol:
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1067430)
Posted by Blurrz on April 23rd, 2010 @ 5:47pm CDT
Fanwank or not.. this issue was freaking awesome!
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Posted by MYoung23 on April 23rd, 2010 @ 10:05pm CDT
I was unsure of Grimlock's fate. How did he get off Garrus-9?

Also, what is so important about Aequitas? It's basically just a trial judge so what data could it have other than trial and prisoner case files?
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Posted by SlyTF1 on April 23rd, 2010 @ 10:18pm CDT
I litterally just started reading this series today, with the first one, and it is frekn awesome! Ive always wanted a super voilent, twisted Transformers comic! Ill definately get #2 maybe next week or sooner if I can.
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Posted by Jeysie on April 25th, 2010 @ 9:35am CDT
And now to ramble about the actual good issue this week... ;)

I'll confess, there is fanwank in this series that I love... but it's not TF fanwank, it's the writer fanwank. As in, a ton of lampshaded and subverted tropes, and about as much information given indirectly through subtle context as through dialogue, and borrowing into TF some concepts from real-life wars, and treating it all with a sense of realism. As in, some actual proper scifi writing in a TF series.

Especially since it helps having one of the writers also doing most of the art, I think. For instance, I love the sequence with Ironfist telling his "story". The art is all bright and colorful and "cutesy" (for lack of a better term). Everyone's got melodramatic expressions and poses, and Springer and Impactor in particular look all much, much more "cheery Boy Scout" than they usually do. That all sells "this might not have really been how it went down" as much as anything.

Also, nice dealing in there with the fact that the TFs are robots who can take more punishment than the average human and live. There was a battle tactic on Impactor's part that you hopefully don't see every day.

Other thoughts...

I loved the whole sequence with the discussion of activating Aequitas... nobody ever asks the redshirts if they're OK with the dying bit. Especially Pyro's reaction... I wondered exactly what form his particular meltdown would take. Plus, IMHO it goes a long way towards explaining why these particular new folks were chosen. Yeah, they know their stuff incredibly good (well, other than Ironfist...) but they're also kind of, well, dorks.

Speaking of Ironfist, I swear, the more this series goes on, the more I want to hug him. "Break The Cutie" indeed.

Now I'm nosy as to who Prowl turned down and why, and why he wanted Ironfist on the Wreckers team. And what sort of "accident" Ironfist suffered.

I liked poor Snare. :/ It's so rare to see a Decepticon with some smarts and bravery without turning into a "good guy" in the end. And shot for being a "traitor" by a 'Con with much less sense. Also, gotta love Impactor, heh... he might be willing to try and help the guy, but if he just wants it over with instead, well, Impactor's not the drawn-out sentimental type. I'm sorry, had you been planning on a noble dying speech?

Kind of interesting... Pyro and Snare both want their deaths to have some kind of "real" meaning... but it's the 'Con that had the "right" sort of meaning in mind.

There's also an interesting contrast between Ironfist and Pyro. Ironfist (so far) seems like the sort of worshipful fanboy who puts his idols on pedestals, while Pyro's the stalker type who identifies way too closely with his idol and wants to prove that he's just as good. Of course, poor Ironfist gets his hopes dashed... remains to be seen what Pyro's fate will be. (Especially seeing as how so far people's fatal flaws tend to be very literally fatal.)

I'm impressed with how R&R make Ironfist have this litany of stuff that's gone wrong in his life... and it comes of as genuinely pity-inducing instead of wangsty.

And I liked the reveal of Aequitas. I could tell from the previous clues and tone in the story that most people's guesses and expectations were way off, and they were looking for the wrong type of story from all this. Makes perfect sense that the Autobots would use something like that as their judge and jury. And that it would have such fierce protection... that's basically a hard drive full of every dirty secret and thing that both Autobot and Decepticon alike have done, and judging from Ironfist's shaken reaction, most Transformers don't know most of what's in there.

Perceptor's a right cold bastard in this, isn't he? Probably the only real niggle... I miss the Perceptor who was as practical as Prowl but differed by having much more compassion while being so. Then again, it wasn't R&R's idea to change him around, so I can't stick that at their doorstep.

I feel so sorry for the Jumpstarters. :/ Topspin in particular, oddly enough, despite what happened to Twin Twist. Topspin didn't really sign up for this; he really just wanted to be a plain old map-maker. But when push comes to shove, he looks out for his "bro".

Finally, I love all the real world touches in this. The Decepticon Registration Act. Overlord's statement that "Play makes you free". Ironfist being responsible for weapons that go against the TF equivalent of the Geneva Protocol.

Then the questions... downloading your important data into someone who's got his brain already a bit messed to begin with has got to suck; wonder where that's gonna go. And I do wonder what the deterrence chip means for certain Autobot prisoners other than Impactor... (Also, what happened to the initial Decepticon strike force? Is it really all prisoners chasing after the Wreckers?)

After going all this way without mentioning any obscure reference, I have to admit there are a few I'm still curious about. Gideon's Glue? The Black Epoch? The Nightmare Engine? (I love how the Wreckers have enough adversaries to actually have a Top 250.)

Also... Ironfist's bio lists his status as "unconfirmed, presumed deceased"? Hmm... :/

All in all, I'm sad this only has one more issue, as so far this series is easily shaping up to be among TF's best fiction.
Re: Transformers Last Stand of the Wreckers #4- Spoiler Filled Review! (1067933)
Posted by MYoung23 on April 25th, 2010 @ 1:00pm CDT
Pyro is a wannabee, a poser with a drastically overinflated sense of worth.

Ironfist is a character who has been thrust into his situation. He wasn't built for war and probably would have never become an Autobot if it weren't for the war but he knows how dangerous the Decepticons are. He clearly doesn't have the stomach for heavy combat duty so he does what he can as a part of the support staff. I think his fascination with the Wreckers is a coping mechanism.

Personally, I think Ironfist was chosen because for whatever reason he has the capacity to carry the Aequitas data. I believe Perceptor knows this and he had no intention of letting Ironfist sacrifice himself. The fact that they didnt try to get Fortress Maximus' brain working again shows that either he is too far gone or they felt they didn't have enough time. Ironfist's STATUS and LOCATION in his profile are contradictory. If he is presumed dead then his location would be classified which indicates that someone knows where he is.

The appearance of some shenanigans going on in this regard tells me that Ironfist survives and is now a de facto version of Aequitas making him a high value asset worth secrecy.

It is possible that only the prisoners who weren't spark extracted were given deterrence chips. Spark extracted bots pose zero threat inside the facility but warriors like Impactor and Grimlock would. One would have thought Perceptor would have taken it out while they were on the ship.

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