Transformers Mosaic: "Brotherhood Lost"

opus is soundwave.
pretty interesting soundwave origin story,aswell as explaining why magnus is always a prime recolor.

Well thats one way to explane why Soundwave has a prime like head. I kinda like the idea.

I'm not really digging the story idea on this one. For me, Magnus and Prime being brothers is pretty weak, but that thing about Soundwave is just pushing it too far.

In the last panel, is Laserbeak blowing up?

Hmmm. Opus is Soundwave eh? And they are "brothers" because they were built on the same assembly line. I also found it strange that when Magnus takes his helmet off hes got a prime head with a human face, and the helmet has a mouthplate over it. Wierd.

Creative idea but it was too much of a stretch for me to believe.

I liked that, in modern non TF fictions such as Family Guy and Robot Chicken, SoundWave a pretty decent guy.

His G1 roots give us little reason to doubt that in down time he wouldn't be.

So to be honest, this may not be the way I'd tell the story, but I like the idea of SoundWave having nobler roots. Maybe even just using the Decepticons as an ends to some unknown means as is often hinted.

Next, on Jerry Springer...

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This is without a doubt the worst Mosaic ever. A rudimentery understanding of the Transformers you're writing about and drawing should be a requirement to do these. It's like these two Jokers had no idea who the 3 characters were or their connection. Which in the case of Soundwave is absolutely nothing.

Here's another nice tidbit for you. Soundwave was created before Optimus Prime left Earth in every form of the G1 fictions since G1. If this didn't have a Mosaic on it I'd swear it was a troll.

And I RRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDD!!!!!!!

I don't want to sound harsh or anything, but that's the single worst piece of shit ever commited to a visual medium.

even if you get past the "story line," the art is okay at best and i found it difficult to follow the text. i ended up reading part of it out of order.

Animus wrote:Here's another nice tidbit for you. Soundwave was created before Optimus Prime left Earth in every form of the G1 fictions since G1. If this didn't have a Mosaic on it I'd swear it was a troll.

Did it ever occur to you that they weren't trying to fit it into any particular canon? And exploring other fictional possibilities would make them trolls? Wow.

Jeep! wrote:I don't want to sound harsh or anything[...]

Then maybe you should have kept quiet. Nobody charges you a dime to read these. If it's not to your taste, then the "back" button on your browser can make everything right again-- without you having to shit all over someone who didn't do anything to offend you personally.

Nobody expects everyone to love every Mosaic produced, but there's no bloody reason to respond like an arsehole just because you didn't like it.

1337W422102 wrote:In the last panel, is Laserbeak blowing up?

I think it's SW fixing Buzzsaw.

Interesting, but i found it a bit far of a stretch.

Wow, there's some pretty unnecessary vitriol here. It's not like these creators killed your first-born child or anything. The great thing about these Mosaics is that the creators aren't tied to what anyone may or may not consider canon.

I used this in my personal canon when I played as a kid; you know, that Prime and Soundwave were somehow long-lost 'brothers'. I think it was due to their similar head structures. I remember trying to convince people of this in school back in the day, but I was met with vehement protests to the contrary. Oh well.

I like this mosaic.

-Neb

Who is Opus? Never heard of the guy... Didn't see that one coming though... Thought maybe Diaclone Powered Convoy would be tied into the storyline, that would have been cool

i'm sorry but i'm really not into this one... the way the story was told would be better if it was narrated, instead of those lines that don't really fit those characters...

Art's horrid, and the story is awful.

The art seems to be a hybrid of Pat Lee's "style" and something a 5 year old can do. Opus looks to much like a blue Prime with a lot of hip. The different colours of the dialouge is a good idea, but it gets in ther way of the panels, and with brighter colours than the panels themselves, attract more attention to thjemselves rather than the panels, which should be able to tell the story through the art.

The idea of Soundwave being Prime's brothers is shaky. Personal Canon it may be, but it's very unlikely, as there's no root or even a slight hint within the show to render it as a possible relationship.

Wow...it looks like something i would draw....not impressive. Sorry if i offend you with my opinion. And WTF is up with "opus"? Seriously the worst name for a brother of OP and UM. Should have called him Ultra Mr. Hollands OPUS!!!!

Liege Evilmus wrote:I liked that, in modern non TF fictions such as Family Guy and Robot Chicken, SoundWave a pretty decent guy.

So to be honest, this may not be the way I'd tell the story, but I like the idea of SoundWave having nobler roots. Maybe even just using the Decepticons as an ends to some unknown means as is often hinted.

i agree with this,
it was good to see soundwave caring for the 'minibots'

but consider the reverse, soundwave/opus is evil from the start and 'infiltrates' the autobots capturing and converting these minibots to cassettacons

i also think its totaly unnecessary for people to bash this piece so much, im sure constuctive criticism would be far more appreciated

that said opus is a stupid name

I have to agree with everyone else. The story wasn't as good as most mosaics and the art is just okay. And wouldn't Optimus or Ultra Magnus recognize Soundwave? Aside from his head and chestplate, he looked almost exactly like Opus.

I think you guys might be being harsh on this one... It's just a one-off type thing, it doesn't have to be cannon; it can just be some sort of what-if/alternative type thing.

It's an interesting idea and tie in to how Soundwave takes care of the casseticons and his loyalty. The art is done well enough to convey the story.

At least they showed some effort and tried something, which is more than some of us have done.

Thats definately one of my favs.
good job.

Why is it that bots with similar heads must be brothers?

Wow, I can honestly say that I have yet to see a more cynical, hyper-ritical, narrow minded collection of whiny JERKWADS to voice their opinions over a single Mosaic. At least somebody went to the effort of providing us with a FREE mosaic. It's not like you guys are out any money on it. At the point that you no longer had interest in the story you should have moved on instead of sticking it out just to crap all over someone else's effort. Way to represent our fandom A***oles! You guys really make me proud to be a TF fan. I hope none of you have procreated cause I know that at least I have raised my own kids to show more fairness and open-mindedness than a lot of you folks have displayed. I would hate to think that such derision is being handed down to another generation.

Things that get posted as news are going to draw attention, good and bad. I agree that some of the posts are a bit harsh, but people have a right to post their opinions. And most of these opinions are critiques. Telling someone that they shouldn't post something because they didn't like it isn't how the forum works. Calling people a whiny *** is only bating them. Please don't take it down another level with personal attacks.

Foallen wrote:I think you guys might be being harsh on this one... It's just a one-off type thing, it doesn't have to be cannon; it can just be some sort of what-if/alternative type thing.

If this was directed toward me, then, eh, maybe you're right. I'd say I'd be the last to shut someone's creativity down like this, but then again, I'm not always what I'd say. It was a cool idea, but I don't think I buy into the fact that they didn't recognize him.

T-Macksimus wrote:Wow, I can honestly say that I have yet to see a more cynical, hyper-ritical, narrow minded collection of whiny JERKWADS to voice their opinions over a single Mosaic. At least somebody went to the effort of providing us with a FREE mosaic. It's not like you guys are out any money on it. At the point that you no longer had interest in the story you should have moved on instead of sticking it out just to crap all over someone else's effort. Way to represent our fandom A***oles! You guys really make me proud to be a TF fan. I hope none of you have procreated cause I know that at least I have raised my own kids to show more fairness and open-mindedness than a lot of you folks have displayed. I would hate to think that such derision is being handed down to another generation.

I'm not even going to answer this holier-than-thou response.

that said opus is a stupid name [/quote]




agreed,opus is a name of some newspaper comic character
http://flakmag.com/opinion/images/opus.jpg

T-Macksimus wrote:Wow, I can honestly say that I have yet to see a more cynical, hyper-ritical, narrow minded collection of whiny JERKWADS to voice their opinions over a single Mosaic. At least somebody went to the effort of providing us with a FREE mosaic. It's not like you guys are out any money on it. At the point that you no longer had interest in the story you should have moved on instead of sticking it out just to crap all over someone else's effort. Way to represent our fandom A***oles! You guys really make me proud to be a TF fan. I hope none of you have procreated cause I know that at least I have raised my own kids to show more fairness and open-mindedness than a lot of you folks have displayed. I would hate to think that such derision is being handed down to another generation.

Yeah, you've sorta gone ahead and been worse than that which you're criticising. Way to prove a point. Or, actually, you know, way to not prove anything. If you, or anyone else, lacks the ability to handle honest opinions, then perhaps I should be the one hoping you haven't procreated, not the other way round. You can't put some creation out there and expect it to be venerated by everyone, espeically if it's hugely sub-par. That's how things like the Turner Prize come about, and that's the last direction the Transformers fandom needs to go. Especially since the G1 fandom is made up almost entirely of people over the age of 18, who should by this stage have developed some sense of standards, and some ability to take the occasional knock. So, please do get back under your bridge.

Jeep! wrote:

T-Macksimus wrote:Wow, I can honestly say that I have yet to see a more cynical, hyper-ritical, narrow minded collection of whiny JERKWADS to voice their opinions over a single Mosaic. At least somebody went to the effort of providing us with a FREE mosaic. It's not like you guys are out any money on it. At the point that you no longer had interest in the story you should have moved on instead of sticking it out just to crap all over someone else's effort. Way to represent our fandom A***oles! You guys really make me proud to be a TF fan. I hope none of you have procreated cause I know that at least I have raised my own kids to show more fairness and open-mindedness than a lot of you folks have displayed. I would hate to think that such derision is being handed down to another generation.

Yeah, you've sorta gone ahead and been worse than that which you're criticising. Way to prove a point. Or, actually, you know, way to not prove anything. If you, or anyone else, lacks the ability to handle honest opinions, then perhaps I should be the one hoping you haven't procreated, not the other way round. You can't put some creation out there and expect it to be venerated by everyone, espeically if it's hugely sub-par. That's how things like the Turner Prize come about, and that's the last direction the Transformers fandom needs to go. Especially since the G1 fandom is made up almost entirely of people over the age of 18, who should by this stage have developed some sense of standards, and some ability to take the occasional knock. So, please do get back under your bridge.

Hmm PWNED comes to mind

I would like to offer up an apology for the severity with which I first responded. Yes, folks do have the right to their own opinion and I would not wish that right to be taken away from anyone. Yes, many of us are going to disagree. Put 100 people in a room and you wil get 103 different opinions. My lashing out in anger over the disparaging remarks made was no better than the remarks themselves.
To those I offended I once again say, I'm sorry. I would also like to extend this challenge to those same people...Let's help keep each other in check. I need the help too, and above all else, especially my own thoughts and opinions, I would not wish to cheapen or discredit
Ryans sites by my words or deeds and I'm sure none of the rest of you would either.

...and no, I'm not getting "soft" in my old age and no matter what, I'm not going to "group hug". Just so we are all clear.

Why apologise? People are being jerks and you called them on it. Christ, from the reaction of some people, you'd think this Mosaic had killed their mother and raped their father. I'll agree that it could be better laid out, but the vitriol directed to the story itself is laughably over the top.

Oh, and note that it doesn't say Prime, Magnus and Soundwave ARE brothers. It says that if they were human, they would be considered brothers. Bit of a difference.