Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update
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The past week-end was disappointing for Transformers One at the box office. As many Hollywood pundits have said, it's unfortunate that a film that had such a great reception did so poorly. Especially when this is in the same brand where films that were panned by critics and fans made over a billion dollars.
All this just goes for domestic numbers because the film has yet to open on major markets internationally (like China and the UK). Now that the week-end is done, we know that the international markets it did open in(which includes the Philippines, Vietnam and Mexico) added $14M to the global box office, making Transformers One's total nearing the $40M mark. We will see if the good word of mouth will have an impact on this upcoming week-end's numbers.
Speaking of that word of mouth, it really is something else. The audience score on Rotten Tomatoes (verified reviewers) is 98%. Not only that but we even have Kojima's blessing. For those not in the know, Hideo Kojima is one of the most celebrated game designers of all time. He is behind the Metal Gear Solid franchise and offers his quick reviews on Twitter. For this film, he said it reminded him of X-Men First Class, which is his favorite X-Men film. You can see the tweet here.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYEdVr1aUAAUEZ7?format=jpg&name=large
All this just goes for domestic numbers because the film has yet to open on major markets internationally (like China and the UK). Now that the week-end is done, we know that the international markets it did open in(which includes the Philippines, Vietnam and Mexico) added $14M to the global box office, making Transformers One's total nearing the $40M mark. We will see if the good word of mouth will have an impact on this upcoming week-end's numbers.
Speaking of that word of mouth, it really is something else. The audience score on Rotten Tomatoes (verified reviewers) is 98%. Not only that but we even have Kojima's blessing. For those not in the know, Hideo Kojima is one of the most celebrated game designers of all time. He is behind the Metal Gear Solid franchise and offers his quick reviews on Twitter. For this film, he said it reminded him of X-Men First Class, which is his favorite X-Men film. You can see the tweet here.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYEdVr1aUAAUEZ7?format=jpg&name=large
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Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184503)
Posted by Glyph on September 25th, 2024 @ 2:20pm CDT
Interesting that there seem to be at least 4 sets of these - the Primes cards are (unsurprisingly) numbered 0xx/013; Chromia, Sideswipe and (presumably) Sunstreaker are numbered 0xx/045; Ironhide 0xx/035; and the Gold Tracker(?) is 0xx/019. The various Autobots all appear to be on holo/foil cards, and the Gold Tracker is possibly lenticular?
Different sets of pack-ins or collectable cards sold separately? (If any of the Chinese text on the cards explains this, I unfortunately can't read it.)
Posted by Glyph on September 25th, 2024 @ 2:20pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:*images of character cards*
Interesting that there seem to be at least 4 sets of these - the Primes cards are (unsurprisingly) numbered 0xx/013; Chromia, Sideswipe and (presumably) Sunstreaker are numbered 0xx/045; Ironhide 0xx/035; and the Gold Tracker(?) is 0xx/019. The various Autobots all appear to be on holo/foil cards, and the Gold Tracker is possibly lenticular?
Different sets of pack-ins or collectable cards sold separately? (If any of the Chinese text on the cards explains this, I unfortunately can't read it.)
Cough, cough#1 Signal Lancer fan & Sabrblade wrote:A whole bunch of stuff in spoiler tags
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184504)
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 25th, 2024 @ 2:24pm CDT
Oh yeah, I know there's a spoiler thread and have posted there. I was just discussing the above conversation here because it was directly related to the current conversation in this thread.
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 25th, 2024 @ 2:24pm CDT
Glyph wrote:Cough, cough
Oh yeah, I know there's a spoiler thread and have posted there. I was just discussing the above conversation here because it was directly related to the current conversation in this thread.
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184510)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 25th, 2024 @ 7:38pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 25th, 2024 @ 7:38pm CDT
Despite the low theatrical turnout, I'm sure TF1 will be a cult classic that will make its money in the long run.
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184511)
Posted by Quantum Surge on September 25th, 2024 @ 8:09pm CDT
Posted by Quantum Surge on September 25th, 2024 @ 8:09pm CDT
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184514)
Posted by SkyFire Prime on September 25th, 2024 @ 9:09pm CDT
Posted by SkyFire Prime on September 25th, 2024 @ 9:09pm CDT
It's criminal what that first trailer did to damage TFONE, it's THE best Transformers Movie period. And I'm including 86 and all the live action movies. It's also just a great movie. And In desperately want a sequel, and for this to be the begining of solid universal cannon.
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184516)
Posted by cloudballoon on September 25th, 2024 @ 10:18pm CDT
I wonder about the real effects of the 1st trailer for "fans" vs. the non-fans though. I'd bet the people that most vehemently against the 1st trailer are those "fans" that only care for a TF media presented to them "their way" and just plain refuse to try and/or support anything too different from what they hope for.
The non-fans proabably just care whether trailer(s) show them if there's enough appeal for kids but got enough plot for the adults to also have a good time. And on that, I think the 1st trailer was... fine? At least that's what I think why the 1st trailer is too saturated wiht jokes.
Posted by cloudballoon on September 25th, 2024 @ 10:18pm CDT
SkyFire Prime wrote:It's criminal what that first trailer did to damage TFONE, it's THE best Transformers Movie period. And I'm including 86 and all the live action movies. It's also just a great movie. And In desperately want a sequel, and for this to be the begining of solid universal cannon.
I wonder about the real effects of the 1st trailer for "fans" vs. the non-fans though. I'd bet the people that most vehemently against the 1st trailer are those "fans" that only care for a TF media presented to them "their way" and just plain refuse to try and/or support anything too different from what they hope for.
The non-fans proabably just care whether trailer(s) show them if there's enough appeal for kids but got enough plot for the adults to also have a good time. And on that, I think the 1st trailer was... fine? At least that's what I think why the 1st trailer is too saturated wiht jokes.
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184518)
Posted by Glyph on September 26th, 2024 @ 2:40am CDT
Posted by Glyph on September 26th, 2024 @ 2:40am CDT
More character cards, from Xitter:
Hound (miner), Ironhide (miner), Arcee (miner)
Thundercracker, Skywarp
Arcee, Wheeljack
Release announcement(?), also shows several other types
(ETA: Ah, I see Protoman has a podcast out now about them as well - added & updated a couple more pictures below from that video)
These all appear to be a line from Kayou trading cards, who already did some previous Transformers sets. Poster says they're already out in China, but they don't seem to be on Kayou's official site yet (am looking for a direct link).
Hound (miner), Ironhide (miner), Arcee (miner)
Thundercracker, Skywarp
Arcee, Wheeljack
Release announcement(?), also shows several other types
(ETA: Ah, I see Protoman has a podcast out now about them as well - added & updated a couple more pictures below from that video)
These all appear to be a line from Kayou trading cards, who already did some previous Transformers sets. Poster says they're already out in China, but they don't seem to be on Kayou's official site yet (am looking for a direct link).
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184519)
Posted by Glyph on September 26th, 2024 @ 2:49am CDT
Posted by Glyph on September 26th, 2024 @ 2:49am CDT
So if I'm understanding this right, there seems to be at least 10 sets within the TFO01 range (11 card styles seen so far):
SR x 45 - Static poses of bots in their miner forms
SSR x 35 - Action poses of upgraded forms
TP x 13 - The Primes
SE x ?? - Special Edition, signed voice actor cards
XR x 4 - Main cast upgraded form, metal art cards
UR x 17 - Upgraded bot & alt form
UR* x 10 - Upgraded bot & alt form, fancier backgrounds
SHR x 6 - Lenticular cards showing transformations
HR x 19 - More lenticular(?) cards with background characters? Includes the Gold Tracker card above
Also 2 different styles in the bottom left of the promo image that don't seem to match any of the others above but aren't specifically listed.
(Attached new images from Protoman video here as the post above hit its limit... Ugh, wish I could post to a gallery instead. If any mods need to tidy this up, feel free)
SR x 45 - Static poses of bots in their miner forms
SSR x 35 - Action poses of upgraded forms
TP x 13 - The Primes
SE x ?? - Special Edition, signed voice actor cards
XR x 4 - Main cast upgraded form, metal art cards
UR x 17 - Upgraded bot & alt form
UR* x 10 - Upgraded bot & alt form, fancier backgrounds
SHR x 6 - Lenticular cards showing transformations
HR x 19 - More lenticular(?) cards with background characters? Includes the Gold Tracker card above
Also 2 different styles in the bottom left of the promo image that don't seem to match any of the others above but aren't specifically listed.
(Attached new images from Protoman video here as the post above hit its limit... Ugh, wish I could post to a gallery instead. If any mods need to tidy this up, feel free)
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184520)
Posted by Glyph on September 26th, 2024 @ 3:58am CDT
Posted by Glyph on September 26th, 2024 @ 3:58am CDT
(testing, don't mind me)
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184521)
Posted by Big Grim on September 26th, 2024 @ 5:29am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on September 26th, 2024 @ 5:29am CDT
While the trailers didn't wow me, I figured I'd see it eventually, feeling it was a bit more for the kids(which is 100% fine. It's toys. It brings more people to the franchise.) but the reviews and word of mouth have me much more interested now. I WAS shocked to see it's no out in the UK for another two weeks though! That's bananas!
~ Grim
~ Grim
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184522)
Posted by ScottyP on September 26th, 2024 @ 8:13am CDT
Sounds like a Kayou card set, yep! HR cards are lenticular and in past sets have typically been (roughly) one per pack. They're generally made more like thin credit cards than the rest. SHR is the same thing but with a much smaller number distributed randomly.
And when I say "distributed randomly" with Kayou sets, whoo boy, is it ever. I don't recommend anyone trying to complete their sets. You could do it with 12 boxes (90 cards per box plus a random box topper), or it could take 30. Or 7. Or 50. Or 100
Posted by ScottyP on September 26th, 2024 @ 8:13am CDT
Glyph wrote:So if I'm understanding this right, there seems to be at least 10 sets within the TFO01 range (11 card styles seen so far):
SR x 45 - Static poses of bots in their miner forms
SSR x 35 - Action poses of upgraded forms
TP x 13 - The Primes
SE x ?? - Special Edition, signed voice actor cards
XR x 4 - Main cast upgraded form, metal art cards
UR x 17 - Upgraded bot & alt form
UR* x 10 - Upgraded bot & alt form, fancier backgrounds
SHR x 6 - Lenticular cards showing transformations
HR x 19 - More lenticular(?) cards with background characters? Includes the Gold Tracker card above
Sounds like a Kayou card set, yep! HR cards are lenticular and in past sets have typically been (roughly) one per pack. They're generally made more like thin credit cards than the rest. SHR is the same thing but with a much smaller number distributed randomly.
And when I say "distributed randomly" with Kayou sets, whoo boy, is it ever. I don't recommend anyone trying to complete their sets. You could do it with 12 boxes (90 cards per box plus a random box topper), or it could take 30. Or 7. Or 50. Or 100
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184523)
Posted by Glyph on September 26th, 2024 @ 8:18am CDT
Posted by Glyph on September 26th, 2024 @ 8:18am CDT
Ah, cheers - trading cards are a closed book to me. And likely to remain so at an estimated $35 per box times however many it might take... 
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184524)
Posted by ScottyP on September 26th, 2024 @ 8:26am CDT
Edit: I think I found the TF One boxes here: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807604521125.html Roughly $15 per box if you buy the thing of 4 boxes. Only 50 cards per box in these though, blegh. Not sure what the significance of the different characters on the box is.
Posted by ScottyP on September 26th, 2024 @ 8:26am CDT
If you get them on Aliexpress they're much cheaper, especially if you get several boxes at once. Anywhere from $11-15 per box, usually. I don't think this set is up there yet? Might be and I just don't see it from a quick scan over the "Kayou Transformers" results page. They have a lot of product now - RotB set, 3 pan-generational sets (mostly G1), various promo things, and now TF One product.Glyph wrote:Ah, cheers - trading cards are a closed book to me. And likely to remain so at an estimated $35 per box times however many it might take...
Edit: I think I found the TF One boxes here: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807604521125.html Roughly $15 per box if you buy the thing of 4 boxes. Only 50 cards per box in these though, blegh. Not sure what the significance of the different characters on the box is.
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184525)
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 26th, 2024 @ 9:01am CDT
I have friends who are non-fans that have dismissed the movie entirely based on the first trailer, saying it looked like it was too much "Marvel humor" for them. The movie itself isn't very bad, but I remember having the same impression of the first trailer.
I think the trailer probably did more damage for non-fans than it did for fans. Fans are invested in the property and may see the movie despite the trailer, but if non-fans don't like the trailer that can kill any and all interest in the movie.
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 26th, 2024 @ 9:01am CDT
cloudballoon wrote:I wonder about the real effects of the 1st trailer for "fans" vs. the non-fans though. I'd bet the people that most vehemently against the 1st trailer are those "fans" that only care for a TF media presented to them "their way" and just plain refuse to try and/or support anything too different from what they hope for.
The non-fans proabably just care whether trailer(s) show them if there's enough appeal for kids but got enough plot for the adults to also have a good time. And on that, I think the 1st trailer was... fine? At least that's what I think why the 1st trailer is too saturated wiht jokes.
I have friends who are non-fans that have dismissed the movie entirely based on the first trailer, saying it looked like it was too much "Marvel humor" for them. The movie itself isn't very bad, but I remember having the same impression of the first trailer.
I think the trailer probably did more damage for non-fans than it did for fans. Fans are invested in the property and may see the movie despite the trailer, but if non-fans don't like the trailer that can kill any and all interest in the movie.
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184534)
Posted by william-james88 on September 26th, 2024 @ 2:33pm CDT
50 cards per $15 box is not many cards? I remember card packs being more expensive growing up.
Posted by william-james88 on September 26th, 2024 @ 2:33pm CDT
ScottyP wrote:If you get them on Aliexpress they're much cheaper, especially if you get several boxes at once. Anywhere from $11-15 per box, usually. I don't think this set is up there yet? Might be and I just don't see it from a quick scan over the "Kayou Transformers" results page. They have a lot of product now - RotB set, 3 pan-generational sets (mostly G1), various promo things, and now TF One product.Glyph wrote:Ah, cheers - trading cards are a closed book to me. And likely to remain so at an estimated $35 per box times however many it might take...
Edit: I think I found the TF One boxes here: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807604521125.html Roughly $15 per box if you buy the thing of 4 boxes. Only 50 cards per box in these though, blegh. Not sure what the significance of the different characters on the box is.
50 cards per $15 box is not many cards? I remember card packs being more expensive growing up.
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184535)
Posted by william-james88 on September 26th, 2024 @ 2:35pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 26th, 2024 @ 2:35pm CDT
We have more images of the Transformers One cards. Turns out these are Chinese physical cards, some with holographic effect. While the Primes were the biggest news, since they were not clearly depicted in the film, it is nice to see other chars like Brawn, Sunstreaker and Ironhide. These characters have cogged and non cogged versions. There are a lot more cards than the ones shown below, as we can see from their indicated numbers. Hopefully the rest of the Primes subset will be found and shared.
Here is where they can be purchased by westerners: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807604521125.html
Here is where they can be purchased by westerners: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807604521125.html
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184558)
Posted by AzureNight on September 27th, 2024 @ 9:11am CDT
Posted by AzureNight on September 27th, 2024 @ 9:11am CDT
Here's all of the 13 from the trading card line
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184559)
Posted by AzureNight on September 27th, 2024 @ 9:14am CDT
Posted by AzureNight on September 27th, 2024 @ 9:14am CDT
All 13 Primes from the trading card line
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184570)
Posted by Glyph on September 27th, 2024 @ 10:57am CDT
Posted by Glyph on September 27th, 2024 @ 10:57am CDT
Ah, here we go - full set of the Primes cards showcasing their movie designs:
https://www.facebook.com/10008693189766 ... 979930394/
(via TFW2005)
(Probably should have split the trading card stuff into its own thread a little while ago...)
Part 1:
https://www.facebook.com/10008693189766 ... 979930394/
(via TFW2005)
(Probably should have split the trading card stuff into its own thread a little while ago...)
Part 1:
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184571)
Posted by Glyph on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:00am CDT
Posted by Glyph on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:00am CDT
Part 2:
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184573)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:06am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:06am CDT
You do know that you can post all of the pics in a single post if you embed them rather than attach them, right?
(Example post with 41 embedded pics)
(Example post with 41 embedded pics)
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184574)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:14am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:14am CDT
Who wants to see IGN's terrible review of the movie get completely torn to shreds? 
(Language warning, btw. So many f-bombs)
(Language warning, btw. So many f-bombs)
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184575)
Posted by Glyph on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:16am CDT
I attached rather than hotlink in case they disappear or change, so we have the images saved.
Also, I see @Csbiaoo has updated with more scans of the non-Prime bots, including:
Skywarp, Thundercracker, Slipstream and Redwing (UR set)
Wheeljack, Hound, Arcee & Jazz (SSR set)
Ironhide, Brawn, Moonracer & Firestar (SSR set)
Prowl, Sideswipe & Sunstreaker (SSR set)
Arcee, Jazz, Ironhide & Sideswipe (cog versions) (SSR set)
Mod(s), I don't want to keep cluttering up this thread with card scans - is there any gallery option we could do?
Posted by Glyph on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:16am CDT
You mean hotlink to them? I don't see any other embed option - is that a user group thing?Sabrblade wrote:You do know that you can post all of the pics in a single post if you embed them rather than attach them, right?
I attached rather than hotlink in case they disappear or change, so we have the images saved.
Also, I see @Csbiaoo has updated with more scans of the non-Prime bots, including:
Skywarp, Thundercracker, Slipstream and Redwing (UR set)
Wheeljack, Hound, Arcee & Jazz (SSR set)
Ironhide, Brawn, Moonracer & Firestar (SSR set)
Prowl, Sideswipe & Sunstreaker (SSR set)
Arcee, Jazz, Ironhide & Sideswipe (cog versions) (SSR set)
Mod(s), I don't want to keep cluttering up this thread with card scans - is there any gallery option we could do?
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184581)
Posted by cloudballoon on September 27th, 2024 @ 12:32pm CDT
Posted by cloudballoon on September 27th, 2024 @ 12:32pm CDT
Just found Alpha Trion, Solus & Onyx Prime designs interesting enough to get theirStudio Series toys if they do come (or Yolopark AMK). I really wish, the future Autobots & Deceptions designs being mostly 'meh' but shiny, they did the reverse Star Wars prequels in deisgn ideology. In the SW prequels everything were nice & shiny, but SW IV-IX things got all grimy with exposed pipes, panels, etc. Wish the Primes had Aplha Trion's aesthetic.
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Posted by Glyph on September 27th, 2024 @ 1:35pm CDT
Posted by Glyph on September 27th, 2024 @ 1:35pm CDT
I've collected the trading card pics into a separate thread, grouped by set for easier reference. It's a mix of onsite & offsite links atm - Mods, if you want to copy images to seibertron, I'll update the ones that still point to imgur.
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Posted by Quantum Surge on September 27th, 2024 @ 3:35pm CDT
Posted by Quantum Surge on September 27th, 2024 @ 3:35pm CDT
The designs of the Primes in this movie are my favorites. I liked seeing how they don't feel as been-there-done-that as with almost every other robot in this film. I do hope we see them have larger roles like with Alpha Trion, like maybe Megatronus could be in conflict with Megatron for doing bad things while not liking Sentinel Prime either, or Quintus Prime helping Optimus find a way to destroy the Quintessons once and for all (if he did make them in this universe, that is)...assuming people would go out and financially support the movie instead of being stuck on social media rinse and repeating the same things in the fandom.
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Posted by steve2275 on September 27th, 2024 @ 7:48pm CDT
Posted by steve2275 on September 27th, 2024 @ 7:48pm CDT
very good praise
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Posted by hausjam on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:59pm CDT
Posted by hausjam on September 27th, 2024 @ 11:59pm CDT
“it's unfortunate that a film that had such a great reception did so poorly. Especially when this is in the same brand where films that were panned by critics and fans made over a billion dollars”
Yeah, yeah, the lousy bayverse films. Panned by hack critics (who are just bitter, failed filmmakers, that only like artsy tranquilizers) and sanctimonious movie snobs (who believe everyone should agree with them because they are elitist, arrogant dopes).
God forbid there are people out there who like something you don’t.
Yeah, yeah, the lousy bayverse films. Panned by hack critics (who are just bitter, failed filmmakers, that only like artsy tranquilizers) and sanctimonious movie snobs (who believe everyone should agree with them because they are elitist, arrogant dopes).
God forbid there are people out there who like something you don’t.
Re: Transformers One is loved by 98% of Viewers Including Kojima + Global Box Office Update (2184621)
Posted by Glyph on September 28th, 2024 @ 6:00am CDT
A++ self awareness!
Besides, the quote was a statement of fact: the Bayverse films were broadly panned, and TF:One has had great reception from viewers & critics alike. Doesn't mean you're wrong to like the Bayverse films, if that's your thing. But it's a shame that TF:One is doing relatively poorly given how much the people who have seen it appear to like it.
Still waiting for it to open here on the 11th...
Posted by Glyph on September 28th, 2024 @ 6:00am CDT
hausjam wrote:Yeah, yeah, the lousy bayverse films. Panned by hack critics (who are just bitter, failed filmmakers, that only like artsy tranquilizers) and sanctimonious movie snobs (who believe everyone should agree with them because they are elitist, arrogant dopes).
hausjam wrote:God forbid there are people out there who like something you don’t.
A++ self awareness!
Besides, the quote was a statement of fact: the Bayverse films were broadly panned, and TF:One has had great reception from viewers & critics alike. Doesn't mean you're wrong to like the Bayverse films, if that's your thing. But it's a shame that TF:One is doing relatively poorly given how much the people who have seen it appear to like it.
Still waiting for it to open here on the 11th...
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Posted by Quantum Surge on September 28th, 2024 @ 6:06am CDT
Posted by Quantum Surge on September 28th, 2024 @ 6:06am CDT
hausjam wrote:“it's unfortunate that a film that had such a great reception did so poorly. Especially when this is in the same brand where films that were panned by critics and fans made over a billion dollars”
Yeah, yeah, the lousy bayverse films. Panned by hack critics (who are just bitter, failed filmmakers, that only like artsy tranquilizers) and sanctimonious movie snobs (who believe everyone should agree with them because they are elitist, arrogant dopes).
God forbid there are people out there who like something you don’t.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 28th, 2024 @ 7:11am CDT
How does that work though?
I think the main factor is care/apathy. Everyone cared about the Bay movies. As for TF1, "no one" seems to care. It is unfortunate. Especially for a movie that is pure, timeless, and devoid of any "troll drama".
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 28th, 2024 @ 7:11am CDT
Glyph wrote:hausjam wrote:Yeah, yeah, the lousy bayverse films. Panned by hack critics (who are just bitter, failed filmmakers, that only like artsy tranquilizers) and sanctimonious movie snobs (who believe everyone should agree with them because they are elitist, arrogant dopes).hausjam wrote:God forbid there are people out there who like something you don’t.
A++ self awareness!
Besides, the quote was a statement of fact: the Bayverse films were broadly panned, and TF:One has had great reception from viewers & critics alike. Doesn't mean you're wrong to like the Bayverse films, if that's your thing. But it's a shame that TF:One is doing relatively poorly given how much the people who have seen it appear to like it.
Still waiting for it to open here on the 11th...
How does that work though?
- TF1 is a movie that "everyone love" but no one get to see it.
- Most if not all Bay movies (at least the first 5) were "hated by everyone," but everyone went to see them.
- Only the Bee and ROTB movies were "fairly balanced" with love, hate, and attendance.
I think the main factor is care/apathy. Everyone cared about the Bay movies. As for TF1, "no one" seems to care. It is unfortunate. Especially for a movie that is pure, timeless, and devoid of any "troll drama".
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Posted by Glyph on September 28th, 2024 @ 8:17am CDT
The Bay movies, by contrast, get a lot of flack for being "not very good" as movies, but still got major audiences by being big tentpole summer action movies. Cinema history since the 80s is pretty littered with brilliant flops and also "dumb popcorn action flicks" that still pull in big casual summer audiences! (Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe their US box office actually diminished as the series went on, but they made massively more money overseas, particularly in China)
I have no doubt that TF:One will be a "better" film than most of the Bayverse by most judgements, but it's also undeniably failed to connect with a big audience so far, and I suspect The Wild Robot will probably kill it dead in domestic box office. That probably has more to do with things like the marketing (I really don't think the initial trailer made a great first impression for general audiences, and you famously don't get a second chance at that), choice of release date (remember, all the other movies except BB came out in June/July and TF:One was supposed to come out in July but was delayed) and the staggered international opening, than it does with reviews or adjudged quality.
Posted by Glyph on September 28th, 2024 @ 8:17am CDT
Because audience reviews come from the people who've already seen it, generally? "Not many people saw it, but the ones who did all loved it" is a valid sentence. I don't believe that critic reviews really tend to move the needle all that much among the general public, certainly not as much as word of mouth - but word of mouth requires enough people to have seen it in the first place to tell their friends...-Kanrabat- wrote:How does that work though?TF1 is a movie that "everyone love" but no one get to see it.
Most if not all Bay movies (at least the first 5) were "hated by everyone," but everyone went to see them.
Only the Bee and ROTB movies were "fairly balanced" with love, hate, and attendance.
The Bay movies, by contrast, get a lot of flack for being "not very good" as movies, but still got major audiences by being big tentpole summer action movies. Cinema history since the 80s is pretty littered with brilliant flops and also "dumb popcorn action flicks" that still pull in big casual summer audiences! (Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe their US box office actually diminished as the series went on, but they made massively more money overseas, particularly in China)
I have no doubt that TF:One will be a "better" film than most of the Bayverse by most judgements, but it's also undeniably failed to connect with a big audience so far, and I suspect The Wild Robot will probably kill it dead in domestic box office. That probably has more to do with things like the marketing (I really don't think the initial trailer made a great first impression for general audiences, and you famously don't get a second chance at that), choice of release date (remember, all the other movies except BB came out in June/July and TF:One was supposed to come out in July but was delayed) and the staggered international opening, than it does with reviews or adjudged quality.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 28th, 2024 @ 10:17am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 28th, 2024 @ 10:17am CDT
I made a montage to show the critics VS the money. Appart the 2007 movie and the ROTB movie, the audience and "pro" critics are fairly the same. (Bee is MIA)
What's impressive is that TF-One is a "perfect" movie, yet it is the poorest so far money-wise.
So I think my theory is correct. What matter most for a movie success is not whenever it is good or bad. It is MARKETING and PUBLIC INTEREST that decide it all.
I think what killed the interest in TF1 is the first trailer that made it too "kiddy" and the overall designs of the movie. If the first trailer would have had a nice balance between jokes and bad-ass moments, it would have made a big difference. But honestly, it is the overall design that didn't sit well. The faces are a bit too "human" (uncanny effect) and the overall look is too "cartoony." If the design would have been exactly like the intro sequence of the Bee movie, that would have changed everything.
Let's not forget that the Bay movies will soon be VINTAGE and a whole generation grew with the Bay designs. These designs are nostalgic for a huge portion of the fanbase. This doesn't make me any younger...
(Click the picture for a better view.)
What's impressive is that TF-One is a "perfect" movie, yet it is the poorest so far money-wise.
So I think my theory is correct. What matter most for a movie success is not whenever it is good or bad. It is MARKETING and PUBLIC INTEREST that decide it all.
I think what killed the interest in TF1 is the first trailer that made it too "kiddy" and the overall designs of the movie. If the first trailer would have had a nice balance between jokes and bad-ass moments, it would have made a big difference. But honestly, it is the overall design that didn't sit well. The faces are a bit too "human" (uncanny effect) and the overall look is too "cartoony." If the design would have been exactly like the intro sequence of the Bee movie, that would have changed everything.
Let's not forget that the Bay movies will soon be VINTAGE and a whole generation grew with the Bay designs. These designs are nostalgic for a huge portion of the fanbase. This doesn't make me any younger...
(Click the picture for a better view.)
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Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 28th, 2024 @ 11:21am CDT
I think there are two other factors to consider: Animation and the franchise
Animation: Unfortunately, a lot of people in the U.S. don’t respect animation as a medium and view animated movies as “kids movies.” While I think the Spider-Verse films have been huge for the public perception of animation, it’s still something a lot of people look down on.
The franchise: Againx unfortunately, most people know of the franchise because of the movies. So when most people see that a Transformers movie is coming out, they don’t think about G1, Animated, or Prime Transformers, they think about the Michael Bay movies. Which makes this movie kind of doomed for failure. The people who don’t like the Bat movies won’t go see it because they think it’ll be like the Bag movies, and the people who do like the Bay movies may not go see it because it’s very different from the Bay movies.
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 28th, 2024 @ 11:21am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:ISo I think my theory is correct. What matter most for a movie success is not whenever it is good or bad. It is MARKETING and PUBLIC INTEREST that decide it all.
I think there are two other factors to consider: Animation and the franchise
Animation: Unfortunately, a lot of people in the U.S. don’t respect animation as a medium and view animated movies as “kids movies.” While I think the Spider-Verse films have been huge for the public perception of animation, it’s still something a lot of people look down on.
The franchise: Againx unfortunately, most people know of the franchise because of the movies. So when most people see that a Transformers movie is coming out, they don’t think about G1, Animated, or Prime Transformers, they think about the Michael Bay movies. Which makes this movie kind of doomed for failure. The people who don’t like the Bat movies won’t go see it because they think it’ll be like the Bag movies, and the people who do like the Bay movies may not go see it because it’s very different from the Bay movies.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 28th, 2024 @ 12:11pm CDT
You're right on both accounts. Still, this all factor in the overall interest.
That's why I think that indeed, the fact that TF1 is too "cartoony" without the Disney, Pixar, or Dreamworks name, it was detrimental. If the CGI would have been Bay-Bee "realistic," the movie would have had much more success.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 28th, 2024 @ 12:11pm CDT
#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:ISo I think my theory is correct. What matter most for a movie success is not whenever it is good or bad. It is MARKETING and PUBLIC INTEREST that decide it all.
I think there are two other factors to consider: Animation and the franchise
Animation: Unfortunately, a lot of people in the U.S. don’t respect animation as a medium and view animated movies as “kids movies.” While I think the Spider-Verse films have been huge for the public perception of animation, it’s still something a lot of people look down on.
The franchise: Againx unfortunately, most people know of the franchise because of the movies. So when most people see that a Transformers movie is coming out, they don’t think about G1, Animated, or Prime Transformers, they think about the Michael Bay movies. Which makes this movie kind of doomed for failure. The people who don’t like the Bat movies won’t go see it because they think it’ll be like the Bag movies, and the people who do like the Bay movies may not go see it because it’s very different from the Bay movies.
You're right on both accounts. Still, this all factor in the overall interest.
That's why I think that indeed, the fact that TF1 is too "cartoony" without the Disney, Pixar, or Dreamworks name, it was detrimental. If the CGI would have been Bay-Bee "realistic," the movie would have had much more success.
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Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2024 @ 10:37am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2024 @ 10:37am CDT
It looks like word of mouth did no favors for Transformers One in its second weekend. It opened very poorly last week and has plummeted in its second weekend, ending up third place at the domestic box office behind The Wild Robot and Beetlejuice.
While it was expected that the Wild Robot would get first place this weekend, it lays the smackdown on Transformers One’s candy ass by opening 10 million dollars higher that the later did. Which means that the reason Transformers One did less truly comes down to the brand. Parents chose to bring their kids to the Wild Robot and not Transformers, plain and simple. As bad as Transformers did last week, it did even worse this week, dropping over 60%.
The global numbers are not better. It opened in China to 8 million, which is a far cry to previous Transformers films. When looking at the week-end charts worldwide, the film ends up 4th behind The Wild Robot, Devara Part 1 and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.
In total internationally, the film has only made 32 million across 61 countries. Added to the domestic numbers, the film has made 72 million globally. It needs to make approximately 190 million to break even, using industry standards. Even if it makes that, it will be the worst performing Transformers film by a country mile, making even less than half what Rise of the Beasts made.
The Wild Robot didn't just beat it in terms of box office debut but also in terms of critical reception. While both films have a 98% user rating, when it comes to critics, 98% recommend the Wild Robot while 88% recommend Transformers One.
While it was expected that the Wild Robot would get first place this weekend, it lays the smackdown on Transformers One’s candy ass by opening 10 million dollars higher that the later did. Which means that the reason Transformers One did less truly comes down to the brand. Parents chose to bring their kids to the Wild Robot and not Transformers, plain and simple. As bad as Transformers did last week, it did even worse this week, dropping over 60%.
The global numbers are not better. It opened in China to 8 million, which is a far cry to previous Transformers films. When looking at the week-end charts worldwide, the film ends up 4th behind The Wild Robot, Devara Part 1 and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.
In total internationally, the film has only made 32 million across 61 countries. Added to the domestic numbers, the film has made 72 million globally. It needs to make approximately 190 million to break even, using industry standards. Even if it makes that, it will be the worst performing Transformers film by a country mile, making even less than half what Rise of the Beasts made.
The Wild Robot didn't just beat it in terms of box office debut but also in terms of critical reception. While both films have a 98% user rating, when it comes to critics, 98% recommend the Wild Robot while 88% recommend Transformers One.
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Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 30th, 2024 @ 11:03am CDT
While the domestic numbers are far from ideal, it's worth noting that this does not spell financial doom for the movie.
The movie has yet to open in many international markets, which can make up a big portion of its box office success.
Of course, with this being a relatively cheap movie to make, it has already nearly made back its budget, which is good news.
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on September 30th, 2024 @ 11:03am CDT
william-james88 wrote:It looks like word of mouth did no favors for Transformers One in its second weekend. It opened very poorly last week and has plummeted in its second weekend, ending up third place at the domestic box office behind The Wild Robot and Beetlejuice.
While the domestic numbers are far from ideal, it's worth noting that this does not spell financial doom for the movie.
The movie has yet to open in many international markets, which can make up a big portion of its box office success.
Of course, with this being a relatively cheap movie to make, it has already nearly made back its budget, which is good news.
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Posted by Glyph on September 30th, 2024 @ 1:02pm CDT
The Wild Robot I expected, but behind the fourth week of Beetlejuice?!
Damn, this movie had a major marketing fail. Even if the movie itself was lacklustre, you'd think the franchise marketing could push it better than that in its initial week - for all the money spent on spots and the like, it doesn't seem to have made much impression on the general public. Pretty sure the September release did it no favours either (though that was more about the planned July release date being unrealistic to start with, as I understand it).
I hear it's opened in the top spot in China this weekend... on the slowest weekend of the year to date.
Still nearly two weeks before I can go see it at a cinema...
Posted by Glyph on September 30th, 2024 @ 1:02pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:It looks like word of mouth did no favors for Transformers One in its second weekend. It opened very poorly last week and has plummeted in its second weekend, ending up third place at the domestic box office behind The Wild Robot and Beetlejuice.
The Wild Robot I expected, but behind the fourth week of Beetlejuice?!
Damn, this movie had a major marketing fail. Even if the movie itself was lacklustre, you'd think the franchise marketing could push it better than that in its initial week - for all the money spent on spots and the like, it doesn't seem to have made much impression on the general public. Pretty sure the September release did it no favours either (though that was more about the planned July release date being unrealistic to start with, as I understand it).
I hear it's opened in the top spot in China this weekend... on the slowest weekend of the year to date.
Still nearly two weeks before I can go see it at a cinema...
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Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2024 @ 5:06pm CDT
Thanks, and yeah I'll move the discussion over to the new thread. No gallery options though.
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2024 @ 5:06pm CDT
Glyph wrote:I've collected the trading card pics into a separate thread, grouped by set for easier reference. It's a mix of onsite & offsite links atm - Mods, if you want to copy images to seibertron, I'll update the ones that still point to imgur.
Thanks, and yeah I'll move the discussion over to the new thread. No gallery options though.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 30th, 2024 @ 7:21pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 30th, 2024 @ 7:21pm CDT
Mistake #1 was to not make the movie in the same style as the intro of the Bee Movie.
And mistake #2 was the minimal marketing. Sure, the usual fans were already sold with the toys and overall fidelity. But the casuals were ignored. A shame.
And mistake #2 was the minimal marketing. Sure, the usual fans were already sold with the toys and overall fidelity. But the casuals were ignored. A shame.
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Posted by Sabrblade on September 30th, 2024 @ 7:33pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 30th, 2024 @ 7:33pm CDT
No. That was no mistake because this movie is gorgeous. There is no reason to make a fully animated film look photorealistic if there is nothing actually realistic in the movie to juxtapose it with (hello Disney's Lion King remake).-Kanrabat- wrote:Mistake #1 was to not make the movie in the same style as the intro of the Bee Movie.
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Posted by Nexus Knight on September 30th, 2024 @ 8:32pm CDT
Posted by Nexus Knight on September 30th, 2024 @ 8:32pm CDT
Honestly, I think the biggest mistake that they had was releasing alongside the second Beetlejuice movie (which had all the marketing and is a follow-up to a supposed classic) and Wild Robot, which was always going to be likely to draw in a bigger family following. I plan to see the latter, so I can't comment on the quality of the movie, but based on what I've seen marketing-wise... yeah, it's not shocking it's doing better. And I freaking loved TF1. I'm going to see it again with my brother soon, but I think it suffered the most from a poor release window. If it had released a week earlier like planned awhile ago, I feel it may have had a better chance to do super well before being dethroned bt Wild Robot.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 30th, 2024 @ 8:36pm CDT
Personally, I too, find the style of the movie to be perfect.
But marketability dictate that it would have fared way better in the hyper realistic style.
The Lion King remake was totally unnecessary and was quite uncanny with their hyper realistic cartoon style. But it made enough money to warrant a sequel. A sequel that is panned by the hardcore, but the casual are exited to see. Comparing to what my family say VS what the comments/forums/content creators says.
So, it is sad to say, buy TF1 in super realistic Bee Movie intro style would have sold more tickets. Way more.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 30th, 2024 @ 8:36pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:No. That was no mistake because this movie is gorgeous. There is no reason to make a fully animated film look photorealistic if there is nothing actually realistic in the movie to juxtapose it with (hello Disney's Lion King remake).-Kanrabat- wrote:Mistake #1 was to not make the movie in the same style as the intro of the Bee Movie.
Personally, I too, find the style of the movie to be perfect.
But marketability dictate that it would have fared way better in the hyper realistic style.
The Lion King remake was totally unnecessary and was quite uncanny with their hyper realistic cartoon style. But it made enough money to warrant a sequel. A sequel that is panned by the hardcore, but the casual are exited to see. Comparing to what my family say VS what the comments/forums/content creators says.
So, it is sad to say, buy TF1 in super realistic Bee Movie intro style would have sold more tickets. Way more.
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Posted by SkyFire Prime on September 30th, 2024 @ 10:33pm CDT
Posted by SkyFire Prime on September 30th, 2024 @ 10:33pm CDT
Why do we have to boost imagines of it as failing?
Guys, if this fails, it will truly be the last good Transformers Movie. It has to succeed in some way.
Guys, if this fails, it will truly be the last good Transformers Movie. It has to succeed in some way.
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Posted by Glyph on September 30th, 2024 @ 10:44pm CDT
Posted by Glyph on September 30th, 2024 @ 10:44pm CDT
Well, we never know "what would have happened if X" or that there will be no good TF movies in the future, ever, so... By all indications, this movie should return a modest profit in the end and hopefully at least one sequel. But it's certainly not performed as well as we / Hasbro / Paramount were hoping, and there's little point pretending that isn't the case.
Where it's succeeded is in being well-reviewed and well-received by its (modest) audiences, and we can expect that more people will eventually watch it on streaming / disc than saw it in the cinema. So one big thing it can do is help rehabilitate the brand, which doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation at the movies right now, and maybe get more people interested in seeing the next one.
Where it's succeeded is in being well-reviewed and well-received by its (modest) audiences, and we can expect that more people will eventually watch it on streaming / disc than saw it in the cinema. So one big thing it can do is help rehabilitate the brand, which doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation at the movies right now, and maybe get more people interested in seeing the next one.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 30th, 2024 @ 11:35pm CDT
The movie as it is looks pretty good. But it never establishes the illusion that these are actual living beings. For all of Bayverse's faults, when I was looking at the screen I was convinced (or at least could easily pretend) that I was looking at metallic living beings.
If we had gotten the style of the opening scene of Bumblebee, which was the best part of the movie aside from perhaps the fight scene with Bee and the triplechangers, it would have gone a long way in helping the general audience decide to see it. The way TFOne looks, we all knew it was gonna be an animated movie, and not a movie with CGI in it.
Now I can imagine how expensive that type of rendering can be for that long of a movie, but it most definitely would have boosted the box office. Probably not enough to turn a profit, so in the end financially this was the smarter choice, but if money was no object, it would have looked much better the other way.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 30th, 2024 @ 11:35pm CDT
Agreed on both counts.-Kanrabat- wrote:Mistake #1 was to not make the movie in the same style as the intro of the Bee Movie.
And mistake #2 was the minimal marketing. Sure, the usual fans were already sold with the toys and overall fidelity. But the casuals were ignored. A shame.
The movie as it is looks pretty good. But it never establishes the illusion that these are actual living beings. For all of Bayverse's faults, when I was looking at the screen I was convinced (or at least could easily pretend) that I was looking at metallic living beings.
If we had gotten the style of the opening scene of Bumblebee, which was the best part of the movie aside from perhaps the fight scene with Bee and the triplechangers, it would have gone a long way in helping the general audience decide to see it. The way TFOne looks, we all knew it was gonna be an animated movie, and not a movie with CGI in it.
Now I can imagine how expensive that type of rendering can be for that long of a movie, but it most definitely would have boosted the box office. Probably not enough to turn a profit, so in the end financially this was the smarter choice, but if money was no object, it would have looked much better the other way.
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Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 30th, 2024 @ 11:55pm CDT
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 30th, 2024 @ 11:55pm CDT
Yeeesh, will's description's making me picture a future Robot Chicken sketch where The Wild Robot literally lands on Cybertron beats up the entire population.
The video mentioned that TF ONE still did better than TWR outside the U.S. this weekend, and that's making me wonder what countries each film was released in. But no amount of data mining can change the totals.
The video mentioned that TF ONE still did better than TWR outside the U.S. this weekend, and that's making me wonder what countries each film was released in. But no amount of data mining can change the totals.
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Posted by Sabrblade on September 30th, 2024 @ 11:57pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 30th, 2024 @ 11:57pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:The movie as it is looks pretty good. But it never establishes the illusion that these are actual living beings.
Photorealistic CGI is still animation. It's impossible to make a truly live-action movie if there's nothing actually shot in live-action in the movie. No matter how realistic it appears, photorealistic CGI is still animation. I go back to Disney's "live action" remake of The Lion King. That movie was 99.9% animated with photorealistic CGI with no actual live action shots in it other than the opening shot of the sun rising over the horizon at the beginning of the movie. After that, everything for the remainder of that film was completely animated.Rodimus Prime wrote:The way TFOne looks, we all knew it was gonna be an animated movie, and not a movie with CGI in it.
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Posted by Glyph on October 1st, 2024 @ 12:29am CDT
Really? Because one of the big issues I had with the Bayverse films was that the robots never felt right in the scene to me - they always seemed floaty, or the physics didn't sell, or some other thing. They always just looked like special effects IMO, and not at a level I expected from ILM. #shrug#
Matter of taste I suppose - for me, the Cybertron section was one of the less interesting bits of the film, and the most jammed-in-for-fan-service. (Not the bits I most disliked - that would probably be the very Bay-esque little brother / cringe stepdad.) The designs were vastly improved from the previous films though, in that they actually looked like Transformers (
), but a whole movie that looked like that would have been (a) incredibly expensive and (b) targeted very much at older fans, not new kids and casuals. I thought the animation in the rest of the film, particularly between Charlie and Bee, did way better both at actual character acting and in feeling realistically grounded in the scene, over the same 'robot PAWNCH!' bouncy action we'd seen before. IMO, YMMV, etc.
I maintain that the timing of release - back to school, sandwiched between Beetlejuice and TWR, staggered by almost a month overseas - did far more to hurt its chances than the style. But who knows, in the end - there's a lot of variables in play.
Posted by Glyph on October 1st, 2024 @ 12:29am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:For all of Bayverse's faults, when I was looking at the screen I was convinced (or at least could easily pretend) that I was looking at metallic living beings.
Really? Because one of the big issues I had with the Bayverse films was that the robots never felt right in the scene to me - they always seemed floaty, or the physics didn't sell, or some other thing. They always just looked like special effects IMO, and not at a level I expected from ILM. #shrug#
Rodimus Prime wrote:If we had gotten the style of the opening scene of Bumblebee, which was the best part of the movie aside from perhaps the fight scene with Bee and the triplechangers, it would have gone a long way in helping the general audience decide to see it. The way TFOne looks, we all knew it was gonna be an animated movie, and not a movie with CGI in it.
Matter of taste I suppose - for me, the Cybertron section was one of the less interesting bits of the film, and the most jammed-in-for-fan-service. (Not the bits I most disliked - that would probably be the very Bay-esque little brother / cringe stepdad.) The designs were vastly improved from the previous films though, in that they actually looked like Transformers (
), but a whole movie that looked like that would have been (a) incredibly expensive and (b) targeted very much at older fans, not new kids and casuals. I thought the animation in the rest of the film, particularly between Charlie and Bee, did way better both at actual character acting and in feeling realistically grounded in the scene, over the same 'robot PAWNCH!' bouncy action we'd seen before. IMO, YMMV, etc.I maintain that the timing of release - back to school, sandwiched between Beetlejuice and TWR, staggered by almost a month overseas - did far more to hurt its chances than the style. But who knows, in the end - there's a lot of variables in play.
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Posted by Sabrblade on October 1st, 2024 @ 1:10am CDT
The thing is, Transformers is a brand that thrives as illustrated art, whether moving pictures or stilled drawings. It's at its best when it's not trying to be super hyper-realistic as it's more focused on telling good stories with engaging characters, regardless of whether it looks like a Hanna-Barbera cartoon, a Jack Kirby drawing, a PlayStation 2 game, or a Flash animation.
At the end of the day, Transformers doesn't and shouldn't belong to one specific demographic. Not adults, not kids, not fans, not casuals, but everyone. Transformers is and should be something that everyone can enjoy, as given in this excellent short video that the entire fandom could stand to watch and learn from:
Posted by Sabrblade on October 1st, 2024 @ 1:10am CDT
And here I think we've reached the crux of the matter, that it all comes back to the longstanding belief that live-action is superior to animation because, supposedly, live-action is for grownups and mature audiences while animation is for children, losers, and stupid people. That photorealism is somehow better than illustrated artwork.Glyph wrote:but a whole movie that looked like that would have been (a) incredibly expensive and (b) targeted very much at older fans, not new kids and casuals.
The thing is, Transformers is a brand that thrives as illustrated art, whether moving pictures or stilled drawings. It's at its best when it's not trying to be super hyper-realistic as it's more focused on telling good stories with engaging characters, regardless of whether it looks like a Hanna-Barbera cartoon, a Jack Kirby drawing, a PlayStation 2 game, or a Flash animation.
At the end of the day, Transformers doesn't and shouldn't belong to one specific demographic. Not adults, not kids, not fans, not casuals, but everyone. Transformers is and should be something that everyone can enjoy, as given in this excellent short video that the entire fandom could stand to watch and learn from:
