Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark Developer Revealed: Edge of Reality

I wonder what HMS is working on right now, I want to believe it's a AoE game, but who knows at this point.

No PC version = no interest from me.

Mkall wrote:No PC version = no interest from me.

At the end of the trailer it did have a PC logo.

I'm pretty big into my games and I've never heard of Edge of Reality. Having a quick look at the list of titles they've worked on I'm not filled with hope. Seems to be mostly ports and a handful of piss-poor licensed games.

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Agamemnon wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:*Sigh* Well, it looks like I can finally cut myself off from these video games. It may be awesome in playability, but what drew me to WfC and FoC was the definite G1 tie in. I do not like the tie in to the movies (or even Prime, for that matter.)

WFC/FOC are not G1 though, they are (or where if this is going to be connected to the movies) Aligned, which means Prime.

True, but I find that more of a retcon. It seems clear to me that WfC, in particular, was meant to align with G1, or at the very least throw back to it. (Compare BB with G1 and Prime/the movies, and I think this is pretty clear.)

Also, I should state that I don't like Hasbro's attempts to "align" everything. They own the properties, so they get to do what they want. But I think it is wrong of them to stifle the imagination of their customers, which is what I think they are doing whether intentional or not. But, that's just my opinion...

No it's not, if you look at the behind the scenes stuff, the interviews, and the fact that the story is basically the same as all the other Prime prequel material it's clear that it's always been intended to serve as a tie-in to Prime. High Moon even said that they just wanted to let it look as close as possible to the G1 cartoon because that was their favorite incarnation and the one they grew up with.
If by looking vaguely like G1 is all it takes to convince you that it's supposed to be G1, then you probably also view Animated as G1.

So it is a crossover and not a real sequel to FOC? Lame, it doesn't even have High Moon attached from what I can tell.
Skipping this.

But, see, that's the same problem I'm having with Hasbro. Why must this align in a way that takes the customer, i.e. us, out of the creative process? Why not leave it open to interpretation how we all want to see it?

And, no, please don't put words/thoughts in my mouth. I can see a resemblance between BB of G1 and WfC, not Animated. If this was always intended to be Prime/aligned, then why not make BB look more like Prime BB? Because they wanted to have that G1 tie in, or throwback. The stories of WfC and Exodus, while not entirely consistent with the G1 cartoon mythology, could be reasonably integrated with each other, as long as one doesn't get too picky, in my opinion. Perhaps my memory is a little fuzzy, but I thought the aligned continuity idea came during WfC development. Now, granted, I didn't see the behind the scenes interviews, so I will gladly defer to you on that info. But, given how the game looked, the references to G1, it has the feel of decisions being made part way through to make changes to "align" things more.

But I do agree with you. I don't like the crossover idea at all and will be skipping this altogether.

Sorry, now that I re-read my comment, it sounds much more mean-spirited and douchy than I had intended. So I apologize.

Aligned was being worked on a long time before WFC, before Animated started. For instance, work on Animated started at about the same time the Energon toys hit shelves. And High Moon stated that they where working closely together with Hasbro from day one.
The only way WFC/FOC could work as being a prequel to G1, is if it was the prequel of a completely new G1, due to all the things in the games that don't work with all the G1 material we have.
As I stated, the designs are so G1y because that was the version the designers where most familiar and comfortable with. Yea, sure BB looks more like G1 BB than Prime BB, but then again we already have proof that these guys change their bodies. Megatron for instance got a new body in FOC that makes him look closer to Prime.
And if we tried to force this in G1, we would have to ignore almost 90% of the game, including all of the technology and the body designs, since really it's only really the heads that are G1. The bodies are more movie with all those complicated moving parts.
Seriously, if you really look at it, there is simply no way how this meshes with any incarnation of G1 ever.

And Hasbro wanted this to be part of the Aligned continuity, because they wanted it to. It's their property and they are trying to branch out into different forms of entertainment, one of which is story telling.

Also, don't forget that it's the stories and the media that actually make us attached to Transformers, and if we got to decide about those things, well it wouldn't really work anymore.

thats kind of disappointing but then again could be good, after war for cybertron high moon hasnt had a good track record. Fall of cybertron wasnt that great & dark of the moon & deadpool were failures. But edge of reality hasnt really done much, looking at the list of games they developed nothing stands out. They did a good job on the mass effect & dragon age ports but they didnt make the original games. Only time will tell at this point.

IMO, as long as they don't ditch their game less than six months after release in favor of making a game of mediocre quality, I'm all for them.

Oooohhh! Now I get why I am flabbergasted. I shouldn't be. I figured this was still High Moon, who has the Midas Touch of Transformers games, it seems, and I was wondering why they would do something so... Well... Nonparallel in concept. Think about it: If they had crossed WFC with almost any other series, it would still work. If they did WFC meets Unicron Trilogy, it would work; if they did WFC meets G1, it would work; if they did WFC meets Beast Wars, it would still kinda work; they could do much of the different universes, but this just doesn't... Blend. All this seems to be is a vie for money, capitalizing on the new movie hype and the general adoration of WFC in general. I probably won't buy it, unless it become more than what it seems.

This could actually be a decent game, I'll stay optimistic, I just really want to have movie shockwave battle g1 optimus

The graphics look like crap.

Yeah...until I get confirmation that High Moon Studios - or whatever's left of it - are actually working on this game in some capacity, I'm not touching this with a ten-foot pole.

They weren't even laid off because Deadpool was a bad game; IIRC they got canned right after development, before it even hit the shelves. And it was adequate.

This whole thing reeks of a cash grab in an industry plagued with cash grabs.

Such negativity, wow

Sorry to read that High Moon isn't the developper. Those guys were pretty dedicated and enthusiastic about Transformers.

Okay DOTM had a lot of flaws, but FOC made up for that more than enough.

I think I'm going to enjoy the game.

And I don't care about how it not perfectly fits in with G1 or the movie. As long as it's great gameplay like FOC and has cool characters from FOC and the movies then I'm a happy gamer.

Might even get a PS4 for this

Activision has announced today that Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark is set to release this June. It will complement Age of Extinction, and go beyond the movie by tying together the movie universe with the Cybertron universe. It will be a third-person action adventure in which players may choose from over 40 characters, and battle to secure the Dark Spark. Rise of the Dark Spark will release on Xbox One, Playstation4, Xbox 360, Playstation3, Nintendo Wii U, and Nintendo 3DS, along with Windows PC.

UPDATE: Courtesy of GameStop, we have a confirmed release date of 24th June 2014 (shortly before the Age of Extinction cinema opening), and a price tag of $59.99.

And thanks to CVG.com, we have a couple of additional screenshots from the game, mostly featuring the two versions of Optimus Prime, below.



Mark Blecher, SVP Digital Gaming and Corporate Development at Hasbro, Inc. said:

Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark is an arc between the Cybertron and Earth based worlds of this popular franchise. This year marks 30 incredible years of TRANSFORMERS. This game tells another chapter in the TRANSFORMERS story that all fans will love.

As a follow-up to both Age of Extinction and games War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron, Rise of the Dark Spark tells the tale of the search for an ancient, powerful relic—the Dark Spark. Players can switch between factions throughout the single-player campaign. Gameplay will include fast-paced running and shooting combat, along with vehicle action and large, dynamic conflicts.

Players will also be able to access multiplayer mode, Escalation, which allows for wave-based, survival-style gameplay for up to four online players cooperatively. Rise of the Dark Spark will feature new, upgradeable defense systems, recognizable opponents, and an expanded roster of characters, past and present. A new level system unifies single- and multi-player into one consistent character development path. Any experience earned in any part of the game will unlock awards and tactical loadout choices, like new characters, stronger weapons, special abilities, and consumable bonuses, which will be available through the entire game.

Rise of the Dark Spark is currently rated “RP” which is Rating Pending by the ESRB. Watch for the latest information.

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Okay, so it's set after Age of Extinction and Fall of Cybertron. Interesting.

Though how the crew of the Ark and the Nemesis will make a return for Rise of the Dark Spark will be the question. Unless it'll take place behind the scenes of Fall of Cybertron, before they go into the unstable Space Bridge.

Interesting to hear about the game taking place after both AOE and FOC. I wonder if by crossing paths with each other the Cybertronians from the Cybertron games take inspiration from the movie TFs and reformat into what they look like in Prime? It's a streach I know but still I can't help but wonder if this is another way to bridge both FOC and TFP.

Also if the game has the same features like WFC and FOC wehn it comes to customizing characters and using them in multiplayer that'll be cool. If you can indeed play 40 different characters I hope we'll see WFC Arcee and Slipstream in it as well as the sisters from ROTF.

Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!

Did I miss something?

I hate hearing High Moon didn't get to keep creating fantastic Transformers games like WFC and FOC for us Also, the movieverse mash-up concept killed any interest I may have had left in this. Universe crossover versus games don't sound appealing to me. On the positive side, that is money saved towards all the greatbots revealed at Toy Fair

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!

Did I miss something?

Because High Moon Studios is no more.

Sabrblade wrote:

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!

Did I miss something?

Because High Moon Studios is no more.

High Moon Studios still exists. They did cut a bunch of staff after Deadpool, but from what I read, that was mostly staff that worked on that game.

i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

dreadwing95 wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.

DoctorOblivian wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.

It doesn't mess up anything. Just because the Aligned continuity is outside of the multiverse doesn't mean that travel between the two is impossible. Several characters have already crossed over between the two, with Lio Convoy leaving the Multiverse to go into the Aligned Continuity as Leo Prime, and Aligned Slipstream having come into the Multiverse from the Aligned continuity. TransTech Rhinox even got a glimpse of the Aligned Continuity, which he did not recognize as any known (to the TransTech) universe, noting how it was farther away than any other universe he's glimpsed at.

And with the revelations given in the Covenant of Primus book, the Aligned continuity can't be inside the Multiverse since Megatronus wasn't evil (unlike The Fallen of the mutliverse), Alpha Trion and Optimus Prime were members of the Thirteen (which is impossible for any of the many Multiversal versions of them), and Logos Prime is missing from the Aligned Thirteen.

Thus, it's better to consider there being two different groups of the Thirteen (one Multiversal and one Aligned) instead of just one set.

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.

It doesn't mess up anything. Just because the Aligned continuity is outside of the multiverse doesn't mean that travel between the two is impossible. Several characters have already crossed over between the two, with Lio Convoy leaving the Multiverse to go into the Aligned Continuity as Leo Prime, and Aligned Slipstream having come into the Multiverse from the Aligned continuity. TransTech Rhinox even got a glimpse of the Aligned Continuity, which he did not recognize as any known (to the TransTech) universe, noting how it was farther away than any other universe he's glimpsed at.

And with the revelations given in the Covenant of Primus book, the Aligned continuity can't be inside the Multiverse since Megatronus wasn't evil (unlike The Fallen of the mutliverse), Alpha Trion and Optimus Prime were members of the Thirteen (which is impossible for any of the many Multiversal versions of them), and Logos Prime is missing from the Aligned Thirteen.

Thus, it's better to consider there being two different groups of the Thirteen (one Multiversal and one Aligned) instead of just one set.

well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore. Also wasn't Alpha Trion already confirmed be be a member of the thirteen before any of the aligned shenanigans? like, we knew he was one of the thirteen way back when Animated was still airing. I think anyway. don't quote me on that.

DoctorOblivian wrote:well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore.

How do you mean?

DoctorOblivian wrote:Also wasn't Alpha Trion already confirmed be be a member of the thirteen before any of the aligned shenanigans? like, we knew he was one of the thirteen way back when Animated was still airing. I think anyway. don't quote me on that.

Nope. By the time Animated was going, Alpha Trion had a Shattered Glass counterpart made, negating any Multiversal Alpha Trion from being a 13er.

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore.

How do you mean?

Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.

Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.

For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.

So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.

Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.

For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.

So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.

All very true and i agree on fact that the methods on which it happened to each of these characters is unknown helps reinforce their own contained instances, but the point still stands, i feel that the fact that these things happened AT ALL makes Aligned not so special anymore.

We'll have to wait and see how things go down in Rise of the Dark Spark, hopefully seeing how this game will be the most prevalent of the multiverse/aligned crossings, HOW the game does it will either help or hurt the "separate multiverse" thing hasbro has been trying to do with Aligned. If the universe hopping is the result of something as simple as a space bridge malfunction or the meddling super being like Unicron then I'm gona just call straight out that Aligned being separate from the multiverse is complete BS regardless of what hasbro says.

Also it wouldn't really hurt too much by being part of the multiverse, things contradict themselves as it is to begin with. Adding aligned wouldn't be too much of a stretch. The multiverse Fallen's history is something to be said for that! In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

DoctorOblivian wrote:In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

No it wouldn't. Both that and SG Optimus Prime go against the very nature of Multiversal Singularities, in that Mult Sings do not and can not have SG counterparts, as it is simply an impossibility.

And Logos Prime is a member of the Multiversal 13, but isn't in the Aligned 13.

Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap. The most important thing is that the GAME is FUN. Highmoon made some really fun games, with single player modes that were entertaining, but the real fun was always online, whether it be co op, or multiplayer vs. What Highmoon FAILED at BRUTALLY is their terrible online support for dealing with hackers and cheaters. Actually, they had other issues like frame rate limits and other glitches, but community apps fixed most of those issues.

If there is one message I'd want to convey to the developers: DON'T SCREW US WITH ONLINE SUPPORT. With how terrible BF4 effed the gaming community (with single player no less), this had better not start becoming a trend with selling half-broken games, otherwise you better believe i'm going to stop buying legit copies and just torrent the hell outa pirated copies.

With all that said, it sounds like its going to be cool, but I don't think anyone can tell just yet. Got to play it or see gameplay vids first.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.

Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.

Pardon us for being nerds on a nerd-based forum.

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.

Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.

I'd join in the fun, if my head wasn't hurting from precalculus right now.

Guise. Wayforward are making a transformers game. This is huge.

Yeah, we may have lost High Moon Studios, but we gained what might be the best pixel-art game studio in the gaming biz.

They have serious gaming chops. Evidence: Ducktales Remastered, Shantae series, double dragon neon, bloodrayne betrayel, contra 4. The list is long and impressive. Do a little research and buy a couple of their games. You will be impressed. Heck, I'm now going to have to buy a 3ds for this.

Maybe they should have used a picture that showed Prime's feet not clipping into the ground.

kaijuguy19 wrote:If you can indeed play 40 different characters I hope we'll see WFC Arcee and Slipstream in it as well as the sisters from ROTF.

OMP, that's the best idea this week!

DoctorOblivian wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.

Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.

For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.

So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.

All very true and i agree on fact that the methods on which it happened to each of these characters is unknown helps reinforce their own contained instances, but the point still stands, i feel that the fact that these things happened AT ALL makes Aligned not so special anymore.

We'll have to wait and see how things go down in Rise of the Dark Spark, hopefully seeing how this game will be the most prevalent of the multiverse/aligned crossings, HOW the game does it will either help or hurt the "separate multiverse" thing hasbro has been trying to do with Aligned. If the universe hopping is the result of something as simple as a space bridge malfunction or the meddling super being like Unicron then I'm gona just call straight out that Aligned being separate from the multiverse is complete BS regardless of what hasbro says.

Also it wouldn't really hurt too much by being part of the multiverse, things contradict themselves as it is to begin with. Adding aligned wouldn't be too much of a stretch. The multiverse Fallen's history is something to be said for that! In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

Boy am I happy that I didn't read the comics.

I'd be so furious over a game that I already really like because of the "story inconsistencies"

I think some High Moon dudes/dudettes must be involved. They use FOC models and probably gameplay as well. So it won't be to different from FOC (gameplay wise)... hopefully



On a side note: The story isn't correct, I hate this "game"
aaaah, amusement.

#Sideways# wrote:

Maybe they should have used a picture that showed Prime's feet not clipping into the ground.

Isn't that place from Metal Gear Solid?

I love your signature. LOL!

#Sideways# wrote:

Maybe they should have used a picture that showed Prime's feet not clipping into the ground.

Not really uncommon in these TF games tho, the feet clip into the ground happen all the time in the games.

noctorro wrote:Boy am I happy that I didn't read the comics.

Which ones?

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.

Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.

I'd join in the fun, if my head wasn't hurting from precalculus right now.

i duno, multiversal singularities can be a a bit of a beast to understand themselves. i would say the calculus and Mult Sings are on the same level, wouldn't you agree Sabrblade? XD

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

No it wouldn't. Both that and SG Optimus Prime go against the very nature of Multiversal Singularities, in that Mult Sings do not and can not have SG counterparts, as it is simply an impossibility.

And Logos Prime is a member of the Multiversal 13, but isn't in the Aligned 13.

treading into speculative head canon territory here but i think i found some easy ways to fix the problems with SG OP and logos. Trion is a bit harder to fix... don't have anything for him yet. what i have for OP and Logos are pretty straight forward.

Thirteen was the member of the original 13, Optimus is just his reincarnation. If one wanted to interpret it this way, Thirteen wanted to live as a "normal" cybertronian and everything that goes with it. so it could be just a mater of the fact that Thirteen was the Mult Sing, but Optimus ISNT.
the act of reincarnation itself stripped him what what it was to be one of the 13. Also regardless of that fact the OP was Thirteen reborn, he still had to EARN his right to be a prime again. This allows SG Optimus to exist without clashing with Thirteen being a Mult Sing.

For Logos Prime, Why couldn't The Liege Maximo BE Logos? isn't it implied that Leige Maximo is just his title? . We don't know too much about Logos other than he was an evil member of the 13. It would be quite easy to just merge the two together and have no real contradictions or consequences.
Logos Prime: The Liege Maximo

Granted this still leave SG Trion as the thorn.

DoctorOblivian wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.

Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.

I'd join in the fun, if my head wasn't hurting from precalculus right now.

i duno, multiversal singularities can be a a bit of a beast to understand themselves. i would say the calculus and Mult Sings are on the same level, wouldn't you agree Sabrblade? XD

Can't say for certain, since I took Trig instead of Calc.

DoctorOblivian wrote:treading into speculative head canon territory here

That's some dangerous territory, there.

DoctorOblivian wrote:Thirteen was the member of the original 13, Optimus is just his reincarnation. If one wanted to interpret it this way, Thirteen wanted to live as a "normal" cybertronian and everything that goes with it. so it could be just a mater of the fact that Thirteen was the Mult Sing, but Optimus ISNT.
the act of reincarnation itself stripped him what what it was to be one of the 13. Also regardless of that fact the OP was Thirteen reborn, he still had to EARN his right to be a prime again. This allows SG Optimus to exist without clashing with Thirteen being a Mult Sing.

The Afterword of the Covenant of Prime book had Alpha Trion clarify that "Optimus Prime" was Thirteen's real name.

Also, though his body was different, present day Optimus displayed that he still had his original Prime nature when he wielded both the powers of both the Forge and the Star Saber. He was a mystical Prime like the 13, whereas a guy like Sentinel Zeta Prime was only a secular Prime with no mystical nature, having been made a Prime through political machination only, rather than any authentic endowment like the Matrix or Primus's power itself. For Optimus, since he already had his original nature locked away within himself, the Matrix simply unlocked that which he requested be hidden away until his time of need came to awaken him.

DoctorOblivian wrote:For Logos Prime, Why couldn't The Liege Maximo BE Logos? isn't it implied that Leige Maximo is just his title? . We don't know too much about Logos other than he was an evil member of the 13. It would be quite easy to just merge the two together and have no real contradictions or consequences.
Logos Prime: The Liege Maximo

I highly doubt that Hirofumi Ichikawa created the character with the intent of it being the same person as Simon Furman's character who was perceived to be his own 13er at the time. Otherwise, I also doubt there was very little stopping Ichikawa from just using Maximo instead of creating the seemingly new character of Logos Prime. So if the two were to be the person, it is very likely that Galaxy Force Soundblaster would have just been Liege Maximo and that we'd have no "Logos Prime" like we do now.

Thirteen was the member of the original 13, Optimus is just his reincarnation. If one wanted to interpret it this way, Thirteen wanted to live as a "normal" cybertronian and everything that goes with it. so it could be just a mater of the fact that Thirteen was the Mult Sing, but Optimus ISNT.
the act of reincarnation itself stripped him what what it was to be one of the 13. Also regardless of that fact the OP was Thirteen reborn, he still had to EARN his right to be a prime again. This allows SG Optimus to exist without clashing with Thirteen being a Mult Sing.

The Afterword of the Covenant of Prime book had Alpha Trion clarify that "Optimus Prime" was Thirteen's real name.

Also, though his body was different, present day Optimus displayed that he still had his original Prime nature when he wielded both the powers of both the Forge and the Star Saber. He was a mystical Prime like the 13, whereas a guy like Sentinel Zeta Prime was only a secular Prime with no mystical nature, having been made a Prime through political machination only, rather than any authentic endowment like the Matrix or Primus's power itself. For Optimus, since he already had his original nature locked away within himself, the Matrix simply unlocked that which he requested be hidden away until his time of need came to awaken him.

ah, didn't know that actually. i haven't been able to get around to getting the covenant yet.

I am cautiously optimistic about this. I haven't liked any of the movie-based games but enjoyed both War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron immensely. The mingling aesthetics tells me there'll be some style clash, some things that don't appeal to me. But the gameplay in the trailer seems very similar, so there's some value there.

If this completely contradicts the Aligned continuity, I welcome it. My preference has always been for the two High Moon games to take place in a micro-continuity rather than try to awkwardly shoehorn in to the Prime cartoon's backstory, and this seems well on its way to being so.

Henry921 wrote:If this completely contradicts the Aligned continuity, I welcome it. My preference has always been for the two High Moon games to take place in a micro-continuity rather than try to awkwardly shoehorn in to the Prime cartoon's backstory, and this seems well on its way to being so.

This always puzzled me. How come people who don't like this always claim that it was the games that were shoehorned into the cartoon's backstory, rather than the cartoon being forced into the games' future? After all, it was the games that came first, not the cartoon.

Sabrblade wrote:This always puzzled me. How come people who don't like this always claim that it was the games that were shoehorned into the cartoon's backstory, rather than the cartoon being forced into the games' future? After all, it was the games that came first, not the cartoon.

That's a fair point.

The feel of War for Cybertron was very G1. It had some movie aesthetics (especially in transformation and weapon design) but felt like it could easily have been a broad adaptation of the G1 origin story, and its ending seemed to set up the Autobots leaving in an ark.

Then Fall of Cybertron adapted in so many of the cartoon's elements that it felt like the game's aesthetics and backstory were being co-opted, whereas the Prime cartoon has always been intentionally vague about the war on Cybertron and only a handful of events (most notably Optimus receiving the Matrix from the core of Cybertron) being referred to in detail. Whereas War for Cybertron stood on its own, Fall felt like it had been altered so it could accommodate the cartoon, whereas the cartoon didn't seem to change in any significant way in its latter two seasons to tie in with the High Moon games.

I'm not happy with this game.

I mean, what was great of the War of/Fall of Cyberrtron games was the fact it's a new universe with a good story and good-looking characters. They gave me what the horrible Michael Bay Movies didn't, and now they have to mix both universes! Pfffff I was waiting for a new game of this series, but if it's like this I'll pass. I don't want to know anything related with Bay's movies.

This universe was great, why they had to ruin it like this...

Mark Blecher wrote:Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark is an arc between the Cybertron and Earth based worlds of this popular franchise. This year marks 30 incredible years of TRANSFORMERS. This game tells another chapter in the TRANSFORMERS story that all fans will love.

Shallow, meaningless words from another suit who doesn't know anything. This strikes me as a quick cash-in to make the most of the two big Transformers events this year by doing a shameless Marvel vs. Capcom style crossover. I can only hope that a true sequel to FoC is in the works at some level. I'll probably end up treating this game like a fart in an interview.

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:If this completely contradicts the Aligned continuity, I welcome it. My preference has always been for the two High Moon games to take place in a micro-continuity rather than try to awkwardly shoehorn in to the Prime cartoon's backstory, and this seems well on its way to being so.

This always puzzled me. How come people who don't like this always claim that it was the games that were shoehorned into the cartoon's backstory, rather than the cartoon being forced into the games' future? After all, it was the games that came first, not the cartoon.

War for Cybertron deluxe Cliffjumper = G1 head

Fall of Cybertron Cliffjumper render = TF Prime head

Thats why?