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chuckdawg1999 wrote:I doubt I'll ever be able to watch RID at it's usual time, but CN has put it up on it's on demand hub so I was able to watch part 1 of the pilot. Not bad, I can't judge the series yet because nothing has really happened. All I can hope is for an increase in views of the toys. I also hope that those of you watching it online are also going to watch the episodes as they air, you're only hurting the brand if you don't.

If I had cable again, I would (we lost it).

I can't afford cable, and none of the websites that I know of that stream the show legally and for free work for me in Canada.

Plus the shows are being effective at marketing to me, convincing me to buy Steeljaw so far and I'm on the verge of buying Grimlock. If the shows truly exist to sell the toys, then all Hasbro need do to get my money is to release Warrior-class figures of all the Decepticons from the show and I will be dumping 20$ a pop on them (Yeah, in Canada at TRU the RID2015 warrior-class figures are 19.99 before tax). I don't think that us (the adult fanbase) are going to cut much of their profit away if we watch it illegally as opposed to legally, since they don't really expect us to be watching on CartoonNetwork at 6am, furthermore, we are also likely to buy the figures even without the TV show selling the characters to us (as it has become part of our identity as collectors)



Now, on a separate note, Someone mentioned the FOC Dinobots being in the Prime comics fighting the Predacons? Is that worth reading?

Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...

NuclearConvoy wrote:Now, on a separate note, Someone mentioned the FOC Dinobots being in the Prime comics fighting the Predacons? Is that worth reading?

It's an OK comic, nothing to write home about, but not terrible. It's basically what you want from a comic. But I wouldn't bother, since as we know, not even the creators care for it.

NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...

Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.

But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.

And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...

Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.

But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.

And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.

Sure, but then how much farther in the future is this supposed to be set? Or, alternatively, how long have these Decepticons been kept in stasis in prison? etc.

If we take this as a completely new series that only throws odd references to the past at the viewer then it doesn't matter, but if it is a true sequel to Prime and WFC/FOC then it is truly confusing.

Am I asking too much from Children's programming? Possibly.

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...

Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.

But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.

And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.

Surely all of the animal based cons became Decepticons and were captured before the revival of Cybertron. There is no indication in the show that the war is ongoing, so any current/ex Decepticons must have joined the faction prior to the events of Predacons Rising, and so animalistic cybertronians in the RID timeline do predate the rebirth.

I'll put it down to artistic license but it is still a bit of a continuity point.

NuclearConvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...

Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.

But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.

And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.

Sure, but then how much farther in the future is this supposed to be set? Or, alternatively, how long have these Decepticons been kept in stasis in prison? etc.

If we take this as a completely new series that only throws odd references to the past at the viewer then it doesn't matter, but if it is a true sequel to Prime and WFC/FOC then it is truly confusing.

Am I asking too much from Children's programming? Possibly.

But there were more animals on Cybertron before it went dark. The Well created a whole bunch during the Age of Evolution. And after the planet was dead, they couldn't survive anymore.

And not all of the Decepticons in this show have been said to be full on animals. Steeljaw's only wolf aspects are his head and tail. The rest of his body is like any ordinary bipedal Cybertronian.

And some of them might not even originally be from Cybertron. Like Hammerstrike, for instance. Though he was on Cybertron at some previous point, his being a Sharkticon means that he (or his ancestry) would have to have originally been from Aquatron, the Sharkticons' homeworld.

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...

Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.

But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.

And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.

Sure, but then how much farther in the future is this supposed to be set? Or, alternatively, how long have these Decepticons been kept in stasis in prison? etc.

If we take this as a completely new series that only throws odd references to the past at the viewer then it doesn't matter, but if it is a true sequel to Prime and WFC/FOC then it is truly confusing.

Am I asking too much from Children's programming? Possibly.

But there were more animals on Cybertron before it went dark. The Well created a whole bunch during the Age of Evolution. And after the planet was dead, they couldn't survive anymore.

And not all of the Decepticons in this show have been said to be full on animals. Steeljaw's only wolf aspects are his head and tail. The rest of his body is like any ordinary bipedal Cybertronian.

And some of them might not even originally be from Cybertron. Like Hammerstrike, for instance. Though he was on Cybertron at some previous point, his being a Sharkticon means that he (or his ancestry) would have to have originally been from Aquatron, the Sharkticons' homeworld.

You're putting too much thought into this Sabre, nobody on this show knows or cares about what the Covenant says, just like the author of the Covenant didn't care about what everything else in the universe was doing.
They have ideas for something, and they will execute them pre-established continuity or rules be damned. So no, they likely don't know about Sharkticons originating from Aquatron in Aligned, they just know that the term Sharkticon is something that's old and popular and went with that. Same logic behind Grimlock or anything else in this show, or any other part of this "Continuity".

A shame, because had the show not been sold to us as part of Aligned and the sequel to Prime, I would have enjoyed the humor in this.

Dead Metal wrote: just know that the term Sharkticon is something that's old and popular and went with that.

Or owned the copy right/trade mark for.

NuclearConvoy wrote:Am I asking too much from Children's programming? Possibly.

Possibly. I think this is a really good point. I understand peoples disappointment and desire to have a consistent continuity. After being a die hard Star Wars (and TFs for that matter) fan for so long I think I have just learned to except inconsistency, fill in the blanks with head canon, and forget the existing things that don't work for me.
But, I think really, what it boils down to is These shows are made to hook new generations of fans. Every 4 or 5 years we get a new show, and every 4 or 5 years there are new generations of 7 to 12 year olds and their respective cash wielding parents.

Would anyone mind outlining what the "Aligned " continuity is, or what stories that encompasses?

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...

Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.

But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.

And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.

Sure, but then how much farther in the future is this supposed to be set? Or, alternatively, how long have these Decepticons been kept in stasis in prison? etc.

If we take this as a completely new series that only throws odd references to the past at the viewer then it doesn't matter, but if it is a true sequel to Prime and WFC/FOC then it is truly confusing.

Am I asking too much from Children's programming? Possibly.

But there were more animals on Cybertron before it went dark. The Well created a whole bunch during the Age of Evolution. And after the planet was dead, they couldn't survive anymore.

And not all of the Decepticons in this show have been said to be full on animals. Steeljaw's only wolf aspects are his head and tail. The rest of his body is like any ordinary bipedal Cybertronian.

And some of them might not even originally be from Cybertron. Like Hammerstrike, for instance. Though he was on Cybertron at some previous point, his being a Sharkticon means that he (or his ancestry) would have to have originally been from Aquatron, the Sharkticons' homeworld.

You're putting too much thought into this Sabre, nobody on this show knows or cares about what the Covenant says, just like the author of the Covenant didn't care about what everything else in the universe was doing.
They have ideas for something, and they will execute them pre-established continuity or rules be damned. So no, they likely don't know about Sharkticons originating from Aquatron in Aligned, they just know that the term Sharkticon is something that's old and popular and went with that. Same logic behind Grimlock or anything else in this show, or any other part of this "Continuity".

A shame, because had the show not been sold to us as part of Aligned and the sequel to Prime, I would have enjoyed the humor in this.

Don't you think you're just jumping to conclusions too quickly? We're only 9 episodes into the series so we still have plenty of time to see how RID15 connects to the algined universe assuming that it won't get canned. Also you can't assume the writers don't know or care about the pre-established continuity without any proof to back it up with. As for the tone of the series why is having it more light hearted such a bad thing? Isn't it better that Hasbro keeps bringing more vareity into their shows? If they all retain the same general tone people will get bored real quick.

I really don't see what the big deal about Cybertron having animals is. It didn't have them before because it couldn't sustain them. But now that it can, it does. What's the problem?

Is it the Predacons? Everyone's reactions to them in Prime? Those reactions were no different than how humans of today would react to seeing dinosaurs walk the Earth again in the present. Predacons were an ancient extinct species no different from the situation of the dinosaurs. To see a Predacon alive and well in the 21st century would be just like seeing a dinosaur alive and well in the 21st century.

Cobotron wrote:Would anyone mind outlining what the "Aligned " continuity is, or what stories that encompasses?

Hasbro specifically said it was going to be a new timeline for all TF productions going forward. War for Cybertron was the first of the entries into it, followed by Prime. The problem is that there was no real communication between High Moon Studios and Hasbro Studios, so it was rife with continuity errors. They patched this up in season 2 and Fall of Cybertron, with more apparent links between the two. And now RID dropped a cherry bomb in that toilet and we've moved back behind square one.

Shadowman wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Would anyone mind outlining what the "Aligned " continuity is, or what stories that encompasses?

Hasbro specifically said it was going to be a new timeline for all TF productions going forward. War for Cybertron was the first of the entries into it, followed by Prime. The problem is that there was no real communication between High Moon Studios and Hasbro Studios, so it was rife with continuity errors. They patched this up in season 2 and Fall of Cybertron, with more apparent links between the two. And now RID dropped a cherry bomb in that toilet and we've moved back behind square one.

I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I lost interest in Prime after season 1 and have yet to play those games.

Cobotron wrote:Would anyone mind outlining what the "Aligned " continuity is, or what stories that encompasses?

The War for Cybertron video game, the Exodus novel, the War for Cybertron one-shot comic, the Prime comic, the Prime cartoon, the Exiles novel, the Rescue Bots cartoon, the Fall of Cybertron comics, the Fall of Cybertron video game, the Rage of the Dinobots comics, the Beast Hunters comics, the Covenant of Primus book, the Retribution novel, the Rise of Dark Spark video game, and the 2015 Robots in Disguise cartoon.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Would anyone mind outlining what the "Aligned " continuity is, or what stories that encompasses?

The War for Cybertron video game, the Exodus novel, the War for Cybertron one-shot comic, the Prime comic, the Prime cartoon, the Exiles novel, the Rescue Bots cartoon, the Fall of Cybertron comics, the Fall of Cybertron video game, the Rage of the Dinobots comics, the Beast Hunters comics, the Covenant of Primus book, the Retribution novel, the Rise of Dark Spark video game, and the 2015 Robots in Disguise cartoon.

I have only been exposed to the Prime cartoon and the RID15 cartoon. I want to play the games (WFC/FOC) but haven't found them yet.


And, honestly, I don't really care if this series is actually connected to anything else or not. It just seems to me like they want it to be a sequel to Prime (Optimus is dead, Bumblebee talks again etc.) but have sort of made a lot of it incompatible with Prime. Also, the combat in this show seems a bit weird, considering the Prime cartoon and the bay-verse movies have tried desperately to make the TFs all have built in weapon systems and then *poof* everyone has to carry pistols (terribly designed ones at that) or "Decepticon Hunters" etc.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Would anyone mind outlining what the "Aligned " continuity is, or what stories that encompasses?

The War for Cybertron video game, the Exodus novel, the War for Cybertron one-shot comic, the Prime comic, the Prime cartoon, the Exiles novel, the Rescue Bots cartoon, the Fall of Cybertron comics, the Fall of Cybertron video game, the Rage of the Dinobots comics, the Beast Hunters comics, the Covenant of Primus book, the Retribution novel, the Rise of Dark Spark video game, and the 2015 Robots in Disguise cartoon.

Cool. I like that Rescue Bots fits in there.
Guy's I am really a "toy guy" and head canon subscriber. That's why it intrigues me to read these conversations. Please carry on.

NuclearConvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Would anyone mind outlining what the "Aligned " continuity is, or what stories that encompasses?

The War for Cybertron video game, the Exodus novel, the War for Cybertron one-shot comic, the Prime comic, the Prime cartoon, the Exiles novel, the Rescue Bots cartoon, the Fall of Cybertron comics, the Fall of Cybertron video game, the Rage of the Dinobots comics, the Beast Hunters comics, the Covenant of Primus book, the Retribution novel, the Rise of Dark Spark video game, and the 2015 Robots in Disguise cartoon.

I have only been exposed to the Prime cartoon and the RID15 cartoon. I want to play the games (WFC/FOC) but haven't found them yet.


And, honestly, I don't really care if this series is actually connected to anything else or not. It just seems to me like they want it to be a sequel to Prime (Optimus is dead, Bumblebee talks again etc.) but have sort of made a lot of it incompatible with Prime. Also, the combat in this show seems a bit weird, considering the Prime cartoon and the bay-verse movies have tried desperately to make the TFs all have built in weapon systems and then *poof* everyone has to carry pistols (terribly designed ones at that) or "Decepticon Hunters" etc.

To be fair the movies do have some of the characters like AOE Hound,Drift and Crosshairs carry guns and swords that aren't intergrated into their arms and Prime did have Wheeljack carry swords and Magnus with his hammer not to mention Knockout carrying a staff for example so the combat in RID15 isn't really that far off from what Prime did.

I guess. Still doesn't change how terrible the gun designs are in RID15.

It all just ends in fist fights anyway, and I think there is more proof that this is children's programing.

Cobotron wrote:It all just ends in fist fights anyway, and I think there is more proof that this is children's programing.

That's no excuse for lazy design.

NuclearConvoy wrote:

Cobotron wrote:It all just ends in fist fights anyway, and I think there is more proof that this is children's programing.

That's no excuse for lazy design.

Very True. But I think they are really trying to under play weapons all together in this show. The only Charactor with a gun is Strongarm, and she is a police officer. But I have yet to see her do much other than point it at a con before they kick her in the chest and disarm her.
I do like the Decepticon Hunter though. I think it's kind of a cool concept, and after watching episode 9, I think it will have more significance.

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Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...

Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.

But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.

And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.

Sure, but then how much farther in the future is this supposed to be set? Or, alternatively, how long have these Decepticons been kept in stasis in prison? etc.

If we take this as a completely new series that only throws odd references to the past at the viewer then it doesn't matter, but if it is a true sequel to Prime and WFC/FOC then it is truly confusing.

Am I asking too much from Children's programming? Possibly.

But there were more animals on Cybertron before it went dark. The Well created a whole bunch during the Age of Evolution. And after the planet was dead, they couldn't survive anymore.

And not all of the Decepticons in this show have been said to be full on animals. Steeljaw's only wolf aspects are his head and tail. The rest of his body is like any ordinary bipedal Cybertronian.

And some of them might not even originally be from Cybertron. Like Hammerstrike, for instance. Though he was on Cybertron at some previous point, his being a Sharkticon means that he (or his ancestry) would have to have originally been from Aquatron, the Sharkticons' homeworld.

You're putting too much thought into this Sabre, nobody on this show knows or cares about what the Covenant says, just like the author of the Covenant didn't care about what everything else in the universe was doing.
They have ideas for something, and they will execute them pre-established continuity or rules be damned. So no, they likely don't know about Sharkticons originating from Aquatron in Aligned, they just know that the term Sharkticon is something that's old and popular and went with that. Same logic behind Grimlock or anything else in this show, or any other part of this "Continuity".

A shame, because had the show not been sold to us as part of Aligned and the sequel to Prime, I would have enjoyed the humor in this.

Don't you think you're just jumping to conclusions too quickly? We're only 9 episodes into the series so we still have plenty of time to see how RID15 connects to the algined universe assuming that it won't get canned. Also you can't assume the writers don't know or care about the pre-established continuity without any proof to back it up with. As for the tone of the series why is having it more light hearted such a bad thing? Isn't it better that Hasbro keeps bringing more vareity into their shows? If they all retain the same general tone people will get bored real quick.

I'm not jumping to conclusions too quick. It's the result of experience.
I read the first novel, gave up on that because the author of it either didn't care enough or is just plain sh+t at writing to stay concistant with itself let alone the other fiction it was supposed to connect to.
I read the comics, the first one, the much touted prequel to Prime was later contradicted by an episode of the show, an episode written by the same guy that wrote the comic.
The Covenant of Primus then went ahead and contradicted the rest even more, heck it doesn't even know what evolution is and uses it as a fancy word for creationism. So while the Prime show set up the Transformers as having evolved and the characters having aged and matured, note how Ratchet and Prime comment on not being as young as they used to, the book establishes them as having been that way even when the Predacons were still alive. Heck, I have no idea how the Predacons are supposed to have become extinct in the first place, it even describes how the Well just produced a dublicate whenever something died to keep the numbers up.

This show is by the same people that worked on Prime and the aligned comics. Scott even made a name for herself writing the Dinobot centric comics, which were supposedly their way of including the Dinobots in the cartoon cannon. Yet is there any sign here? Nobody knows who Grimlock is? Not even BB or Sideswipe who faught alongside him during the war?

Yes the tonal shift is a problem, I'm not saying this show has to be as grimdark as Prime, but it just feels far too disconnected. Prime took itself seriously and didn't have stuff like robots with muscles. It had its fair share of fun and comedy, and light heartedness, but this is too far removed from Prime. This is like billing the original TMNT show as a sequel to the 2002 series.

And I'm sick of this excuse of "keeping it fresh" so "it won't become stale". I'm tired of having to get used to all new designs and esthetic and tones every two years because god help us if there was any kind of consistently people would loose interest. I'm sick of that. I've long stopped buying the toys because I know that I will never be able to get all the characters I like in plastic form because Hasbro will lose interest half way through and restart with something brand new.
Then they start this media thing and state that they want to be like Marvel and be also known for stories and rich franchizes, so now we'll get a coherent TF universe with actual continuity for us to be invested in just that that's not what we have at all.
They said they want to be like Marvel, but completely ignore or don't understand what ames Marvel Marvel. Marvel's been keeping up a mostly coherent continuity since 1962, or even 193something taking Captain America and Namor into account. There we have consistency, a coherent universe that progresses naturally, we get invested in that. If Marvel keept restarting every two to three years and never finished anything properly, would people stay invested? Hell no.
I'm not invested in Transformers anymore, I still read the idw comics, but mostly necause MTMTE is so good, but I know I won't be reading the comics forever, sooner or later we'll get another AHM that breaks it again. I collect MP, because there I get characters I care for without having to fear that the last few will be cancelled to amke way for the new line that's incompatible.
Even Lego manages to tell a coherent and consistent story while shilling their products.

Dead Metal wrote:This show is by the same people that worked on Prime and the aligned comics. Scott even made a name for herself writing the Dinobot centric comics, which were supposedly their way of including the Dinobots in the cartoon cannon. Yet is there any sign here? Nobody knows who Grimlock is? Not even BB or Sideswipe who faught alongside him during the war?

During the live Twitter session with the RID creators that occurred during the U.S. premiere of RID, people were asking the creators questions about the show and the creators were answering them. HOWEVER, several people asked Ms. Scott specifically about Grimlock in this show and what, if any, connection he might or might not have to the already established FOC Grimlock whom Ms. Scott wrote into the Prime cartoon world via the comics, and while she answered other questions, those particular ones were dodged, given no answer, as though she wasn't permitted to speak of the matter at this time, possibly suggesting something pertaining to this to come in the future.

Rather than constantly complaining about things not matching up all the time, why not have a little faith in these writers and just be patient for possible explanations to come?

Dead Metal wrote:Yes the tonal shift is a problem, I'm not saying this show has to be as grimdark as Prime, but it just feels far too disconnected. Prime took itself seriously and didn't have stuff like robots with muscles. It had its fair share of fun and comedy, and light heartedness, but this is too far removed from Prime. This is like billing the original TMNT show as a sequel to the 2002 series.

Well, like I said before, Rescue Bots is still in continuity with Prime, happening simultaneous to it, and it's bright and uplifting all the time.

Is the Optimus of Rescue Bots the same one from Prime?

NuclearConvoy wrote:Is the Optimus of Rescue Bots the same one from Prime?

Yes. The two shows occur simultaneous to one another. Optimus is a guest star in Rescue Bots, so he's not always in that show and only shows up occasionally, since he's over in Prime fighting the Decepticons most of the time.

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Is the Optimus of Rescue Bots the same one from Prime?

Yes. The two shows occur simultaneous to one another. Optimus is a guest star in Rescue Bots, so he's not always in that show and only shows up occasionally, since he's over in Prime fighting the Decepticons most of the time.

How is he also a Dinobot?

NuclearConvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Is the Optimus of Rescue Bots the same one from Prime?

Yes. The two shows occur simultaneous to one another. Optimus is a guest star in Rescue Bots, so he's not always in that show and only shows up occasionally, since he's over in Prime fighting the Decepticons most of the time.

How is he also a Dinobot?

He scanned the form in the first episode of the third season of Rescue Bots for a mission that called for him to do so, but after having severe difficulty controlling that mode, it's become a nuisance to him and not a form he likes to assume anymore.

However, it's my theory that the timeline between the two shows isn't an exact 1:1 match (and certain episodes between the two shows support this idea), so I'm thinking that third season of Rescue Bots still takes place within the second season of Prime, before the destruction of the base in Jasper.

Okay. I saw these cute simple PlaySkool Heroes Rescue Bots toys at wall mart. The size of like a bit bigger than RID15 Legion class toys and I wanted them. Super simple but the designs are LOADED with personality.

I think this is the worst Transformers series in history, this is coming from a G1 person who has been with Transformers since day 1.

I just dont like it, & yes I have seen the pilot, now I know what they mean by Kiddyfied.

This will be the 2nd series I have not watch or will watch since 1984.

Mainly I am in utter disbelief of how Kiddy The new Graphics look.

Dont even get me started on the new Bot Designs & how they Butchered & Missed up Grimlock, Bee & Sideswipe.

However RID did have Moments I was pleased with such as Underbyte Loved how he Chopped Metal it made him Stronger.

His VA is also Top Notch, Strong Arm is also another Suprise but didnt enjoy the 2 Humans.

RID would be Better without a Human Presence in it but since everything is now Kiddyfied I susped future Shows to be even worse than RID.

I am skipping RID, also I dont like the 5:30 AM Time Slot also another WTF.

Then again 5:30 Is when kids goes to School or get ready once again Aimed at Kids.

By by Transformers guess I am out till Transformers 5.

NuclearConvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...

Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.

But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.

And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.

Sure, but then how much farther in the future is this supposed to be set? Or, alternatively, how long have these Decepticons been kept in stasis in prison? etc.

If we take this as a completely new series that only throws odd references to the past at the viewer then it doesn't matter, but if it is a true sequel to Prime and WFC/FOC then it is truly confusing.

Am I asking too much from Children's programming? Possibly.

Yes, I think you are. But remember, the Predacons, were never expected to be able to Transform. Maybe Shockwave knew, but this was a complete surprise to the Autobots, megatron, and Starscream. (and I think Predaking himself) I don't know that Animalistic Alt modes were ever uncommon, because you had Airachnid, who clearly drew from Spiders, and the Insecticons, it was more "Here's a PREHISTORIC Cybertronian Moster and OH SLAG IT CAN TRANSFORM TOO??!!"

Besides, has RID!5 confirmed these are Cybertronian Fauna and not simply the name of a classification of bodytype? Put another way: Is Springload (Amphibioid) a seperate species from Bumblebee? Or is "Amphibioid" a label for "Frog Shaped Cybertronian Entity? Remember, Grimlock is called a Dinobot, but is that because he turns into a Dinosaur, or because he is a different kind of Lifeform? (All questions I doubt this show will answer, but fun Geek-talk.)

I do hope the show addresses the amount of time passed, if only to say "Bumblebee can't go see Raf, Miko, and Jack because that was 100 years ago." Would make a loud part of the show's naysayers shut up about why the old humanfaction was not reused. I doubt going by Bumblebee's alt mode that its been that long, though. However, here's a theory: Enough time has passed that Cybertron has been rebuilt and hospitable, even welcoming. It has traffic, and guards, and civilians, and Cadets who seemingly have not seen war. So its probably been a while.

Fanmade back story: Bumblebee's a beat cop now, because like his IDW counterpart, he wasn't ready for the rigors of planetary leadership. Team Prime was able to establish the planet for a time, but once Cybertron started to spin again, a new, actual leader was required, which could, a la Animated, be Ultra Magnus, or what if its Star Saber?

I can only barely fathom was an RID15 Star Saber would look like, but i would certainly be interested in seeing that.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:This show is by the same people that worked on Prime and the aligned comics. Scott even made a name for herself writing the Dinobot centric comics, which were supposedly their way of including the Dinobots in the cartoon cannon. Yet is there any sign here? Nobody knows who Grimlock is? Not even BB or Sideswipe who faught alongside him during the war?

During the live Twitter session with the RID creators that occurred during the U.S. premiere of RID, people were asking the creators questions about the show and the creators were answering them. HOWEVER, several people asked Ms. Scott specifically about Grimlock in this show and what, if any, connection he might or might not have to the already established FOC Grimlock whom Ms. Scott wrote into the Prime cartoon world via the comics, and while she answered other questions, those particular ones were dodged, given no answer, as though she wasn't permitted to speak of the matter at this time, possibly suggesting something pertaining to this to come in the future.

Rather than constantly complaining about things not matching up all the time, why not have a little faith in these writers and just be patient for possible explanations to come?

So why do you think that she dodged the question in order to not spoil anything? Why not because she doesn't want to acknowledge that the whole selling point of the comics was BS to start with?
Usually when something gets explained later on, they just say "we can't talk about this, but keep watching ", while she just ignored the question altogether.
I complain and don't have faith in them, because they've already shown me in the past that nobody cares what anyone else does in this universe.

Dead Metal wrote:Yes the tonal shift is a problem, I'm not saying this show has to be as grimdark as Prime, but it just feels far too disconnected. Prime took itself seriously and didn't have stuff like robots with muscles. It had its fair share of fun and comedy, and light heartedness, but this is too far removed from Prime. This is like billing the original TMNT show as a sequel to the 2002 series.

Well, like I said before, Rescue Bots is still in continuity with Prime, happening simultaneous to it, and it's bright and uplifting all the time.

Again, the tonal shift is a problem, but not that big a deal, the show just doesn't have a connection to its predecessor other than telling us it does, it's almost like TFCybertron that was originally intended as the third installment of the UT, but the creators went with something completely different instead and Hasbro still tried to convince us that it was totally the sequel to Energon.
I wouldn't mind the humor or the feel good stuff, if the characters at least worked. BB doesn't act like he did during or at the end of Prime, none of the characters besides BB are back or even mentioned.

I'm burned out, I believed Hasbro wen it said Animated would be allowed to finish and have all the figures come out, I believed it when they claimed the idw prequel comics were an actual important part of the movie and would be canon just to have them rework it every year, I believed it when MCCarthy claimed he had read all of Furman's stuff and that he AHM would fit perfectly into the pre-established universe, I believed that the Aligned Universe was this planed out cohesive Universe and everything would connect.
So far, I got burned on all of those things, so forgive me if I lost my faith in the stuff these people tell us.

So far the only good thing I can see about this show is that, since it's on CN until the network cancels it after 13 or so episodes like everything else they show that's not random, it might result in Animated getting that season 4 comic continuation idw's been teasing us with.


Oh yeah, I think I'll stop posting in this thread, I'm too negative and I don't want to further ruin it for those who actually enjoy this show, I hate it when someone else does it for something I enjoy, so I apologize.

No worries, mate. Your grievances are informed and backed by argument.
I like this show so far, but I am also just sort of operating on the idea that this isn't really a sequel so much as a new story where they allude to random previous events that don't matter or inform the content. Mostly I am watching it because I love the designs and characterizations for the Decepticons.

This is how TF motion picture sequels tend to be. Beast Machines could be watch without Beast Wars, Energon could be watched without Armada, Cybertron could be watched without Energon, any of the movies after the first could be watch without the preceding ones, Fall of Cybertron could be experienced without War for Cybertron; it's the very nature of "soft reboots" and has been going on with each of them all this time.

Even the Japanese did it. The Headmasters could be watched without G1, Masterforce could be watched without The Headmasters, Victory could be watched without Masterforce, Beast Wars Neo could be watched without Beast Wars Second, Go! could be watched without Prime seasons 1-2, etc.

One could even say the same about certain seasons withing single shows, like one could start with the G1 cartoon via the movie and continue into season 3 without having to go back to seasons 1 or 2.

Dead Metal wrote:I complain and don't have faith in them, because they've already shown me in the past that nobody cares what anyone else does in this universe.

...So...why should you care anymore?

I used to always defend this continuity showing the match-ups between games, comics, novels, and cartoons. Nowadays, I only care about the continuity between those mediums. Cartoons to cartoons, games to games, etc. It's a bitch to stitch the aligned continuity together, so why bother?

Again, the tonal shift is a problem, but not that big a deal, the show just doesn't have a connection to its predecessor other than telling us it does, it's almost like TFCybertron that was originally intended as the third installment of the UT, but the creators went with something completely different instead and Hasbro still tried to convince us that it was totally the sequel to Energon.

That's not really a fair comparison. Energon and Cybertron didn't match up because the continuity between the two was completely out of sync from episode one. The only difference between Prime and RiD is the tonal shift.

And, you know what, the tonal shift is not a problem. Why? Because the tonal shift is realistic. In Prime, the Autobots were in the grit of a war. Their home world was lost, their numbers were low, they were hungry with scrap for resources, and constantly on the run. They didn't have time for pizza parties because they had an all mighty powerful warlord up their ass screwing around with everything. At the end of Predacons Rising, the biggest threats to Cybertron were diminished. Unicron was captured, Megatron disbanded the Decepticons (which is something I want to see explained. I know the 'cons are back for marketing reasons, but still), Starscream was apparently killed, and Soundwave was trapped in the shadowzone. On top of that, they restored their home planet and brought back life to it, albeit at the cost of their leader. I'd say, without any serious universal threats bearing down on them this time, it makes sense that they're a lighter and more positive team. There's nothing to be grim and depressed about in this show. They're five 'bots that were (lazily) brought together as a team to accomplish a clean-up on Earth. Why have a dark show when the threat levels are so low?

There's being dark for a reason and being dark for the sake of being dark. Prime was the former, and RiD would have been the latter if dealt with otherwise.

I wouldn't mind the humor or the feel good stuff, if the characters at least worked. BB doesn't act like he did during or at the end of Prime, none of the characters besides BB are back or even mentioned.

Bumblebee acts exactly like he did in Prime. He was a lot quieter and a bit more curious, but as we saw in Predacons Rising, Bumblebee was starting to mature. RiD is a grown up Bumblebee, but elements of the beep-squeaker from last series are still there. You will find this in future episodes, especially the best fifth episode, "W.W.O.D?"

Oh yeah, I think I'll stop posting in this thread, I'm too negative and I don't want to further ruin it for those who actually enjoy this show, I hate it when someone else does it for something I enjoy, so I apologize.

Well, I guess I replied for nothing.

I would strongly urge you stick around for just a couple more episodes. I agree that the pilot is absolute horseshit, but it really does get better.

Dead Metal wrote:Oh yeah, I think I'll stop posting in this thread, I'm too negative and I don't want to further ruin it for those who actually enjoy this show, I hate it when someone else does it for something I enjoy, so I apologize.

You're not ruining it for me, mate. I'm happy somebody has the same vision of this continuity mess as I do.
Sorry to hear the hobby is becoming a pain. I have Masterpiece and CW to be thankful for as I was starting to get tired of what is ,frankly, becoming nonsense.
Soft re-boots, like the many in G1, or Beast wars to Beast machines were not a problem. Masterforce was the softest re-boot you'll find, but that still manages to convince me it follows the events and characters from season 1 through Headmasters, but does a good job of establishing that specific group of Cybertronians were separate to the goings on up till then. A little tentative, but believable without a giant amount of make believe on our part. What worked is it didn't try to convince me Chromedome dropped everything since Headmasters and joined a rag tag bunch of transtector clad humans. Rid15 is troublesome because of Bumblebee almost. It was nice to see Chromedome here and there to establish the connection, but it wasn't needed to convince me it was the same universe.
We can also believe that it, and the alternative events of the Marvel Pretender and Powermaster characters are still G1 continuity, because they were not trying to convince me it was all the same timeline. Masterforce works within Japan's own Cartoon continuity. It doesn't need to fit the whole G1 universe, just it's little corner. To suggest Rescue Bots Optimus is the same Optimus as Prime and now RiD15 is silly. Are they both aligned Optimus? Yes. But when did anyone believe Powermaster Optimus Prime and God Ginrai were the same character flying between America and Japan and adopting an alias?
G1 Japanese continuity is one timeline. American G1 continuity is another. Marvel comics are yet another, etc.
Aligned isn't doing that. It wants me to believe a novel based on a video game tying into a comic explaining the lives of characters not in a TV show sharing a name with a completely un-related character who oddly enough is in the TV show is all one time line and that Optimus keeps running around the U.S continents talking to different humans on different missions adopting a new body just to do so.

Sorry, but a time continuum explosion conceived by Simon Furman and made canon by a Japanese ret-con involving Bumble Bee being Primacron's long lost father would make more sense than anything aligned wants to convince me of.

I'm glad Dead Metal brought up Energon and Cybertron. Cybertron is ludicrous at times, and it is all Hasbro trying to convince us of things. This however, was due to production problems and mis-communication. They had a hole and did their best to fill it. They have full control over the aligned universe and all it's media, yet still rely on 'convincing' after the fact rather than constructing it properly in the first place.

But then (and I mean this is the most lighthearted way possible) Hasbro knows it doesn't need to try, it has Sabreblade for that

hinomars19 wrote:We can also believe that it, and the alternative events of the Marvel Pretender and Powermaster characters are still G1 continuity, because they were not trying to convince me it was all the same timeline. Masterforce works within Japan's own Cartoon continuity. It doesn't need to fit the whole G1 universe, just it's little corner. To suggest Rescue Bots Optimus is the same Optimus as Prime and now RiD15 is silly. Are they both aligned Optimus? Yes. But when did anyone believe Powermaster Optimus Prime and God Ginrai were the same character flying between America and Japan and adopting an alias?

Show me something in Rescue Bots that says the Optimus in that show isn't the same Optimus as the one in Prime and we'll talk.

Sabrblade wrote:

hinomars19 wrote:We can also believe that it, and the alternative events of the Marvel Pretender and Powermaster characters are still G1 continuity, because they were not trying to convince me it was all the same timeline. Masterforce works within Japan's own Cartoon continuity. It doesn't need to fit the whole G1 universe, just it's little corner. To suggest Rescue Bots Optimus is the same Optimus as Prime and now RiD15 is silly. Are they both aligned Optimus? Yes. But when did anyone believe Powermaster Optimus Prime and God Ginrai were the same character flying between America and Japan and adopting an alias?

Show me something in Rescue Bots that says the Optimus in that show isn't the same Optimus as the one in Prime and we'll talk.

Not really sure why stating the obvious has to be such a crime, nor am I looking for a fight. And I certainly have no intention of challenging people's personal beliefs or head canon. But come on. Can we not just call a spade a spade please?
It wouldn't kill them to draw the same design. Style of rescue bots is irrelevant, before we start that, THOSE are not the same designs. Why? If Hasbro GENUINELY intend for this to be the EXACT SAME guy in the SAME UNIVERSE, AT THE SAME TIME (not 10 years later or whatever) why is he not the same design? And don't be telling me he keeps re-scanning stuff dependent on what humans he is talking to that day.
When you start breaking up your own furniture to fill a hole because you ran out soil, you've got a bit of a problem. This is going too far just to make a point.
I don't think pointing out the flaws in Hasbro's self confessed continuity is going to explode the world.
Your head canon, my head canon the next guys, all cool beans. But we have gone beyond the suspension of disbelief and the slight overlook with aligned now. I don't need to ignore the elephant in the room.
Everybody knows G1 sunbow had continuity screw ups between seasons! We talk about it, we laugh about it, we are not ashamed or afraid to admit it. The people writing it didn't give a toss and everybody gets on with their day. Did Megatron build the Constructicons, or did the Constructicons build Megatron? It can't happen both ways in the same timeline. One is one, one is another
RiD15 feels disjointed because Aligned is disjointed. I repeat, I believe Rescue bots Prime and 'Prime' are both Aligned versions of Optimus. But to suggest it is literally the same character walking from one show to another...

hinomars19 wrote:If Hasbro GENUINELY intend for this to be the EXACT SAME guy in the SAME UNIVERSE, AT THE SAME TIME (not 10 years later or whatever) why is he not the same design?

To sell toys.

Optimus likewise has a different design in RID 2015 than he had in Prime, despite being dead at the series' start and shouldn't be able to take on a new form.

Same thing happened with Optimus's redesign in Fall of Cybertron. He looks different from how he looked in War for Cybertron with no explanation, yet is treated as though he always looked like that.

Aesthetics are a secondary, if not lower, priority in Aligned media. It's not something to make a big deal over.

Between the two shows, Optimus (and Bumblebee) goes back and forth between Jasper, Nevada and Griffin Rock, Maine, and at least one episode of Rescue Bots has its ending lead directly into the beginning of a Prime episode, which the RB creators did on purpose.

Think this is one of those things we'll all never agree on. If hasbro says it's all one thing then why not? it's there media, as long as the plots are good then so be it.

More important question: Why does a character's appearences the sole, governing factor on whether or not they are the same person across a continuity series? Sure, its a different truck, (Convienently, which the CW Prime is suited for. ) but what's it matter if Prime is wearing a blue suit, a brow suit, or a Tutu to Griffin ROck or Jasper, Nevada? It's the same voice actor, which is somewhat negligible given the fandom won't LET anyone else be Optimus Prime, and the plots carry over back and forth. Prime shows up in Griffin Rock looking for something off the Iacon Database, which only ever gve us a final countdown on artificat, not a total number of items.

Sabrblade wrote:

hinomars19 wrote:If Hasbro GENUINELY intend for this to be the EXACT SAME guy in the SAME UNIVERSE, AT THE SAME TIME (not 10 years later or whatever) why is he not the same design?

To sell toys.

Optimus likewise has a different design in RID 2015 than he had in Prime, despite being dead at the series' start and shouldn't be able to take on a new form.

Same thing happened with Optimus's redesign in Fall of Cybertron. He looks different from how he looked in War for Cybertron with no explanation, yet is treated as though he always looked like that.

Aesthetics are a secondary, if not lower, priority in Aligned media. It's not something to make a big deal over.

Between the two shows, Optimus (and Bumblebee) goes back and forth between Jasper, Nevada and Griffin Rock, Maine, and at least one episode of Rescue Bots has its ending lead directly into the beginning of a Prime episode, which the RB creators did on purpose.

Which EP dovetailed into Prime? I missed that reference. Or forgot it. The Energon and Artifact hunts were nice nods though.
And really, RID15 Prime is not so radically different than his BH style. He's not as spiky, or as detailed, which makes him look worse off than he is, but the shoulders and cab angles are right. He looses the wings, too.

Truthfully, and this is the wrong thread but we eep bringing it up. The whole Rescue Bots Dinobots thing makes a lot more than simple continuity difficult to mesh. I loved how they treated Heatwave's Triple Changing as a true mental exercise, and then it turned around into "eVERYONE TURNS INTO EVERYTHING!!! YAY!!!" Okay, not that bad, but Heatwave's ep lost a lot of credibility.

Flashwave wrote:Which EP dovetailed into Prime? I missed that reference. Or forgot it. The Energon and Artifact hunts were nice nods though.

"What Rises Above" lead into "Nemesis Prime". In the latter, Optimus returns to base after going on his own to a subterranean energon deposit, of which "What Rises Above" (and the one before it, "What Lies Below") showed us the events.

Any ideas when new stuff will be popping up again from our friendly neighborhood uploaders?

NuclearConvoy wrote:Any ideas when new stuff will be popping up again from our friendly neighborhood uploaders?

My guess is either Sunday or Monday. Super excited because our favorite Autobot musician will be showing up

Madeus Prime wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Any ideas when new stuff will be popping up again from our friendly neighborhood uploaders?

My guess is either Sunday or Monday. Super excited because our favorite Autobot musician will be showing up

I hope one day we get a Jazz that plays a cybertronian saxophone.

The guy recording the episodes has recorded episode 10, but is having Internet trouble. He's gonna try and get it uploaded, but we'll still have to wait on the girl who puts his recorded episode uploads ontoDailymotion to do so.

Episode 10 is online - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kl6uEjAUadVuneatDbR


Episode 10 -

An energon cube in a construction site?!!

Something grabbed it from underground.

The Autobots (or at least Grimlock, Strongarm, and Fixit) don't understand the concepts of motorcycle racing and kissing.

Sideswipe's found an intruder.

The intruder is Jazz, and he and Bee know each other!

Sideswipe doesn't know Jazz, nor Jazz Sideswipe, so I'm thinking Sideswipe's just a new-named bot born from the Well after Prime revitalized it.

Jazz was sent by "the big bots on Cybertron" to check out a distress call from the Alchemor.

Bee says that the city on Cybertron he was in before coming to Earth was Kaon City. I guess the place got real cleaned up for the better after Megatron disbanded the Decepticon faction.

Okay, so Sideswipe has at least heard of Jazz ("the Jazz!"), but still doesn't know him personally.

Jazz speaks of a Council on Cybertron. Really hoping this new one is much better improvement over the snooty old one.

Hello, Ped!

The manifest describes Ped as a petty crook who burrows underground with his claws, and whose mandibles can deliver a temporary paralyzing sting.

Ped almost got Russell! But, that was a distraction. He really wanted the Autobots' energon cubes, and got away with some.

Bee's "Roll Out" fail of the day: "Autobots, let's bug out!"

I am loving this banter between Jazz and Sideswipe.

Wow... It's MANDARK! Ped is voiced by Mandark from Dexter's Laboratory!

Ped thinks himself better than everyone and wants to be the new boss bot in town.

Back on Cybertron, Ped was bullied and called a "lousy bot worm", but here on Earth, he's gonna make himself the bot that Cons come to for when they want energon.

Jazz tricked Ped into telling him his plans by letting Ped think that Jazz was willing to betray Sideswipe into becoming Ped's second-in-command.

A trap's been set at the scrapyard for Ped. A large stack of both real and fake energon cubes hides a stasis chamber inside it.

Ped's a lot smarter than the Autobots think. He goes after the ground beneath the Autobots instead of the cubes.

Sideswipe (long after having gotten out of the pit) forces Ped into the stasis chamber with a slew of insults that trick Ped into going toward the chamber.

Jazz jumps in to help beat the living snot out of Ped!

Ped's sealed and secured.

Jazz says he'll clean up Bee's mess from the first episode with Council once he gets back to Cybertron.

Ha. Grimlock's still stuck in the pit.



Khary Payton -- Operator
Eddie Deezen -- Ped
Arif S. Kinchen -- Jazz
Kristy Wu -- Woman's voice



Oh, this was a good one. Jazz was wonderful and Ped being a complete dweeb for someone so lethal was a delightful surprise. They could have gone route of making him the most monstrous creature to ever crawl from out of the earth, and instead made him terrifying on the outside, and dorky on the inside. His backstory also serves as a good cautionary message for bullies and those who get bullied. People can get really messed up if they're constantly picked on and never get any help to cope with their troubles, and Ped is a fine example of a bully victim gone mad. Meanwhile, Sideswipe got to see what a real mature cool guy is like and learned that even cool guys can get by playing by the rules and not being 100% rebellious all the time. Jazz is a great role model for him to look up to and take after, and hopefully we get to see more of him in episodes to come.

I love how odd and unique Ped's transformation is. I can't think of a single other TF that has that kind of look going for it. This show is proving to be remarkably unique and well thought out. Here's me holding out hope for Warrior-class Decepticon toys galore. Still haven't seen one that I wouldn't want to own.

I like how broad shouldered Jazz is, really sets him apart from the other Autobot cars of this series.

I wonder if Bee's off screen explanation of the situation to Jazz included the visions from Optimus? Jazz seemed completely unfazed when Bee said that he didn't want to leave the job undone because he didn't want to let Optimus down.
Meanwhile I for one fangirl am completely satisfied with how the writers are portraying Jazz he is the perfect mix of smooth and deadly, and a now established master of close very close quarters combat. Granted I am a G1 nut so that fact that they are sticking so close to that makes me very happy.
I didn't know what to expect for the voice but this is better.

Upon watching episode 10 on dailymotion.com, Ped describes himself as a bot worm, which means that he is an earthworm and not a mole, despite having mole-like-claws.