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noctorro wrote:Anybody seen the Double Toasted review of The Last Knight?

That line from Corey keeps echoing in my mind.

"Not a goddamn original thought was put into this movie!!!"

That's why I haven't seen it a second and third time yet.

This movie is out of his goddamn mind. Wy 5 unoriginal out of Transformers
storylines + like 3 decent Transformers storylines in this movie?

Just focus on Nemesis Prime, Quintessa, Megatron being Megatron again.
Does Megatron have a spark? How did he become Megatron again?

SlyTF1 wrote:
Despite their hatred for these movies, I watch Double Toasted regularly. I do believe there to be original thoughts in the movie, but none of it was on the writers' parts. Every bit of originality came from Bay himself. People always claim Bay doesn't care about the franchise. He obviously cares. It's the writers who don't give a ****. Bay was the one who had to force the producers to put together a writer's room in the first place, and what did they give him? A bunch of hacks. I could have written a better script, and it the movie's budget probably would have been even lower.

Ra88 wrote:But yeah. A lot of this came out on the Don Murphy boards. He was one of the fan friendly production members (and the guy who also along with Tom DeSanto was is responsible for even convincing Paramount to do these movies). He constantly was in direct communication with TF fans, but this also put him at odds a lot with people because he had a really explosive personality.

Anyways, it was through that board and input from DM that a lot of Lorenzos antics came to light. Such as:

* Not even wanting Autobots to be in the movie.
* Changing the base attack scene from a forest to the middle eastern desert. Also removing Soundwave and Ravage and replacing them with Incinerator (who would go on to be renamed Grimlock/Vortex/Blackout) and Scorponok (which totally pissed off Don Murphy, so Lorenzo got nick named Scorponok on the boards).
* Replacing Soundwave (a humvee in this) with Barricade.
* seeing a pattern yet? Because guess who Frenzy was at first.
* The Autobots almost didn't have any personalities beyond the robotic because he felt that was dumb. And this is after the "didn't want them to speak" thing.
* Wanted Megatron to be a cannibal who got power from eating sparks. (Shares this blame with Orci and Kurtzmann though).
* Actively fought against Welker and Cullen to reprise their roles. Especially Cullen. He wanted Liam Neeson for the star power.
* Once the movie came out and was a smash hit, he took credit for a lot of it.

There's more, but I can't remember all of it right now.

Deadput wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:
Despite their hatred for these movies, I watch Double Toasted regularly. I do believe there to be original thoughts in the movie, but none of it was on the writers' parts. Every bit of originality came from Bay himself. People always claim Bay doesn't care about the franchise. He obviously cares. It's the writers who don't give a ****. Bay was the one who had to force the producers to put together a writer's room in the first place, and what did they give him? A bunch of hacks. I could have written a better script, and it the movie's budget probably would have been even lower.

It's not even the writers it's Lorenzo who is the absolute core of the problems of these films.

Instead of listing them myself with my poor writing skills I'll let someone else who could explain it way better then I ever could. Ra88 of the Tfw2005 boards wrote a general list of all the stuff he has done.

Ra88 wrote:But yeah. A lot of this came out on the Don Murphy boards. He was one of the fan friendly production members (and the guy who also along with Tom DeSanto was is responsible for even convincing Paramount to do these movies). He constantly was in direct communication with TF fans, but this also put him at odds a lot with people because he had a really explosive personality.

Anyways, it was through that board and input from DM that a lot of Lorenzos antics came to light. Such as:

* Not even wanting Autobots to be in the movie.
* Changing the base attack scene from a forest to the middle eastern desert. Also removing Soundwave and Ravage and replacing them with Incinerator (who would go on to be renamed Grimlock/Vortex/Blackout) and Scorponok (which totally pissed off Don Murphy, so Lorenzo got nick named Scorponok on the boards).
* Replacing Soundwave (a humvee in this) with Barricade.
* seeing a pattern yet? Because guess who Frenzy was at first.
* The Autobots almost didn't have any personalities beyond the robotic because he felt that was dumb. And this is after the "didn't want them to speak" thing.
* Wanted Megatron to be a cannibal who got power from eating sparks. (Shares this blame with Orci and Kurtzmann though).
* Actively fought against Welker and Cullen to reprise their roles. Especially Cullen. He wanted Liam Neeson for the star power.
* Once the movie came out and was a smash hit, he took credit for a lot of it.

There's more, but I can't remember all of it right now.

Also there is more to the Cullen thing Lorenzo actually went out of his way to sabotage Peter's audition for the 2007 movie by not having the guy that was meant to interact with Cullen in the audition show up at the right time luckily Peter improvised and Bay who sought Peter Cullen out brought him in but Lorenzo made Peter stick to only Optimus and not Ironhide as well.

Also this guy is the prime reason for this movie being convoluted he took two different scripts and smashed them together he is the one everyone should be angry at not Bay or the writers although their not completely innocent either.

And it doesn't matter if Bay leaves and the Transformers movies are rebooted as long as Lorenzo is involved he is going to screw things up.

SlyTF1 wrote:
I'm aware of his influence on the story, but the writers still could have found a better way to piece it all together.

Deadput wrote:Pictures like this make me wish we could have something like a prequel movie or a video game with all of them together interacting with each other like Ironhide and Hound or something like that and it doesn't even have to be anything canon.

Burn wrote:Wow, it took 10 years but people are finally acknowledging that Bay isn't solely responsible for all the problems.

Thanks for catching up at last!

Kurona wrote:I'm actually kinda glad TLK isn't doing well because this'll force them to put more effort into future movies. Until now they've had a really arrogant attitude that they can just put the same thing out and it doesn't matter; people will come and see it -- Bay's been quoted on saying "I don't care what you think, you'll still see it anyway". But now people aren't seeing it, so they actually have to put thought into these things.

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:I'm actually kinda glad TLK isn't doing well because this'll force them to put more effort into future movies. Until now they've had a really arrogant attitude that they can just put the same thing out and it doesn't matter; people will come and see it -- Bay's been quoted on saying "I don't care what you think, you'll still see it anyway". But now people aren't seeing it, so they actually have to put thought into these things.

To be fair at the time he wasn't completely wrong.

Kurona wrote:He was correct, but it's still very arrogant and a really terrible attitude to have. Even if a lot of the complaints were ridiculous things like Optimus having flames or characters not looking like their G1 selves, it still shows a complete defiance of any sort of constructive criticism and a care for nothing but how much money you're going to give him. I don't wanna give money to someone like that; I wanna give it to someone who truly cares about what they're making and truly cares about giving the audience something they'll like -- if it's gonna crash and burn that's a shame, but at least lemme see you've put effort and care into it. It's a terrible attitude propagated by executive suits sitting round a boardroom table.

But now it's apparently coming back to bite 'em in the buttocks, because people aren't going to see it anyway. I just hope this means the Bumblebee movie and whatever comes after it are gonna be much better than what we currently have.

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:He was correct, but it's still very arrogant and a really terrible attitude to have. Even if a lot of the complaints were ridiculous things like Optimus having flames or characters not looking like their G1 selves, it still shows a complete defiance of any sort of constructive criticism and a care for nothing but how much money you're going to give him. I don't wanna give money to someone like that; I wanna give it to someone who truly cares about what they're making and truly cares about giving the audience something they'll like -- if it's gonna crash and burn that's a shame, but at least lemme see you've put effort and care into it. It's a terrible attitude propagated by executive suits sitting round a boardroom table.

But now it's apparently coming back to bite 'em in the buttocks, because people aren't going to see it anyway. I just hope this means the Bumblebee movie and whatever comes after it are gonna be much better than what we currently have.

It's a horrible attitude yes but so are some of the fans reactions and attitude towards Bay himself so I assume he had that on his mind when he made the comment.

Not that it makes it alright or anything but people will occasionally vent or take a hostile attitude when their annoyed (cough-myself-cough)

Like I said I "assume".

Kurona wrote:

Deadput wrote:Yeah, a lot of people were rude, hostile and downright antagonistic -- I mean for Primus' sake, some of them actually sent Bay death threats. What the heck's that about? Why are we as a race like this? All he did was paint flames on a cab, for the love of...

But yes, I can understand that maybe that line was a reaction to the... less civil detractors of the movies, but it wouldn't kill him to have a bit more maturity and composure or at least pretend like he cares about giving people something they'll enjoy. It's a bit like if Hasbro responded to complaints about Trypticon's leg assembly issues with "I don't give a ****, you're still gonna buy it. Don't see why I should care."

Watch Hasbro actually do that.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Deadput wrote:Pictures like this make me wish we could have something like a prequel movie or a video game with all of them together interacting with each other like Ironhide and Hound or something like that and it doesn't even have to be anything canon.

A game like that would be great. One set in an alternate reality where all the Autobots and Decepticons are still alive, fighting it out on Earth. I still want a Transformers RPG, ######.

cruizerdave wrote:Unfortunately, I think this movie is going to make just enough money to justify another one. Spoilers, the next one will involve some type of conspiracy, some type up to now hidden thing that ties TFs to Earth's history, a bunch of yelling, characters and plot points that have almost zero to do with the central story, porny shots of women's cleavage or butts, weird and offensive racial stereotypes, Optimus acting like a maniac, slow motion shots, Megatron not really having much to do with the story, thing from previous movies being ignored or contradicted, a high caliber actor slumming it for a pay check and plenty of idiotic, juvenile frat boy humor.

kurthy wrote:I'm still going to place a lot of blame on Bay. His only concern is making it look cool.

kurthy wrote:He's never made a great movie and most of his experience is creating music videos.