Unboxing Video and Teaser Gallery of Combiner Wars Victorion and the Rust Renegades
Wednesday, April 27th, 2016 11:49PM CDT
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Posted by Mkall on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:29am CDT
Posted by Mindmaster on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:33am CDT
Posted by Mr Skram on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:33am CDT
Posted by Seibertron on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:35am CDT
Mr Skram wrote:I'm still passing on this set, but I do like that foot storage on the Voyager. Is there similar storage for the hands?
I wasn't quite sure where they should go. If someone wants to point me in the proper direction, please let me know ASAP before I work on the gallery in the morning.

Posted by Mr Skram on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:40am CDT
Seibertron wrote:Mr Skram wrote:I'm still passing on this set, but I do like that foot storage on the Voyager. Is there similar storage for the hands?
I wasn't quite sure where they should go. If someone wants to point me in the proper direction, please let me know ASAP before I work on the gallery in the morning.
Could always give one each to the two poor sword-less car bots for slappin' cons!
Posted by Va'al on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:10am CDT
Mr Skram wrote:Seibertron wrote:Mr Skram wrote:I'm still passing on this set, but I do like that foot storage on the Voyager. Is there similar storage for the hands?
I wasn't quite sure where they should go. If someone wants to point me in the proper direction, please let me know ASAP before I work on the gallery in the morning.
Could always give one each to the two poor sword-less car bots for slappin' cons!
That's a great positioning!
I really like how the hands fit in the feet, and the latter fit on Pyra Magna's ladder. Nice feature.
They so purrrdy.

Posted by Seibertron on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:19am CDT
Dr Va'al wrote:Mr Skram wrote:Seibertron wrote:Mr Skram wrote:I'm still passing on this set, but I do like that foot storage on the Voyager. Is there similar storage for the hands?
I wasn't quite sure where they should go. If someone wants to point me in the proper direction, please let me know ASAP before I work on the gallery in the morning.
Could always give one each to the two poor sword-less car bots for slappin' cons!
That's a great positioning!
I really like how the hands fit in the feet, and the latter fit on Pyra Magna's ladder. Nice feature.
They so purrrdy.
How do the hands fit in the feet? I couldn't figure it out (though I didn't spend a lot of time on it either).
Posted by Va'al on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:23am CDT
Seibertron wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:Mr Skram wrote:Seibertron wrote:Mr Skram wrote:I'm still passing on this set, but I do like that foot storage on the Voyager. Is there similar storage for the hands?
I wasn't quite sure where they should go. If someone wants to point me in the proper direction, please let me know ASAP before I work on the gallery in the morning.
Could always give one each to the two poor sword-less car bots for slappin' cons!
That's a great positioning!
I really like how the hands fit in the feet, and the latter fit on Pyra Magna's ladder. Nice feature.
They so purrrdy.
How do the hands fit in the feet? I couldn't figure it out (though I didn't spend a lot of time on it either).
Sent you a message!
I do wonder why they changed Torchbearers to Rust Renegades though, that was not something I had been expecting.

Posted by Seibertron on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:24am CDT
Dr Va'al wrote:I do wonder why they changed Torchbearers to Rust Renegades though, that was not something I had been expecting.
If I recall correctly, Counterpunch or ScottyP mentioned on the podcast at some point that the term "torchbearers" wasn't an appropriate term, but I can't remember exactly why they said it was inappropriate.
Posted by megatronus on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:27am CDT
It's also nice to see that the final product toned down the bright teals of the prototypes revealed at NYCC/Toy Fair. A marked improvement.
Ryan, I'm not sure why you're not a fan of the Nightbird head in this set. I think it's nice they'd pull a Japanese head sculpt to this side of the Pacific (although it was almost certainly to save on costs). I get that you'd prefer all new everything, but I think that's a tad unrealistic. For a quasi-exclusive box set, they pulled out plenty of stops.
Posted by Va'al on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:28am CDT
Seibertron wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:I do wonder why they changed Torchbearers to Rust Renegades though, that was not something I had been expecting.
If I recall correctly, Counterpunch or ScottyP mentioned on the podcast at some point that the term "torchbearers" wasn't an appropriate term, but I can't remember exactly why they said it was inappropriate.
There is an international religious organisation, I suppose. Hm.

Oh well. I know their names, and IDW keeps it in the stories too, so I'm not bothered.

Posted by Mr Skram on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:30am CDT
Seibertron wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:I do wonder why they changed Torchbearers to Rust Renegades though, that was not something I had been expecting.
If I recall correctly, Counterpunch or ScottyP mentioned on the podcast at some point that the term "torchbearers" wasn't an appropriate term, but I can't remember exactly why they said it was inappropriate.
Torchbearer is essentially a position in the Caminus heirarchy, and they either quit or were cast out in the comics. I can't recall which. There's a group of Torchbearers who took their place.
Posted by Va'al on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:32am CDT
Mr Skram wrote:Seibertron wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:I do wonder why they changed Torchbearers to Rust Renegades though, that was not something I had been expecting.
If I recall correctly, Counterpunch or ScottyP mentioned on the podcast at some point that the term "torchbearers" wasn't an appropriate term, but I can't remember exactly why they said it was inappropriate.
Torchbearer is essentially a position in the Caminus heirarchy, and they either quit or were cast out in the comics. I can't recall which. There's a group of Torchbearers who took their place.
Oh I'm aware of that part - though Pyra Magna still uses the term when we encounter them once or twice - it's the marketing of the set that puzzles me. I do think it's something about international brand, rather than IDW loyalty, given Hasbro's precedents.
Posted by Mr Skram on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:39am CDT
Dr Va'al wrote:Mr Skram wrote:Seibertron wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:I do wonder why they changed Torchbearers to Rust Renegades though, that was not something I had been expecting.
If I recall correctly, Counterpunch or ScottyP mentioned on the podcast at some point that the term "torchbearers" wasn't an appropriate term, but I can't remember exactly why they said it was inappropriate.
Torchbearer is essentially a position in the Caminus heirarchy, and they either quit or were cast out in the comics. I can't recall which. There's a group of Torchbearers who took their place.
Oh I'm aware of that part - though Pyra Magna still uses the term when we encounter them once or twice - it's the marketing of the set that puzzles me. I do think it's something about international brand, rather than IDW loyalty, given Hasbro's precedents.
I suppose that could be. The briefest of internet searches turns up a few games by the name, and indeed a religious group.
It fits well enough with the comic fiction that it wouldn't bother me much. Since there are technically only 6 torchbearers at any given time, and the head of Caminus has already chosen new ones.
Posted by Rainmaker on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:39am CDT

Posted by Seibertron on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:40am CDT
megatronus wrote:Ryan, I'm not sure why you're not a fan of the Nightbird head in this set. I think it's nice they'd pull a Japanese head sculpt to this side of the Pacific (although it was almost certainly to save on costs). I get that you'd prefer all new everything, but I think that's a tad unrealistic. For a quasi-exclusive box set, they pulled out plenty of stops.
It's not a Japanese head sculpt. It's an entirely new mold which is why the head choice is baffling to me.


Posted by Seibertron on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:42am CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:43am CDT
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Who are the rust renegades?
As the news post says, it's the collective name of the members of the set: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... des/35247/
Posted by Rainmaker on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:49am CDT

Posted by Va'al on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:51am CDT
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:I thought they were called the Torchbearers...
That's what we're discussing just now, scroll back and read!
Posted by jay5 on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:53am CDT

Posted by RNSrobot on April 28th, 2016 @ 4:20am CDT
It still lacks highlights that would do wonders. The breakdown mold has some nice silver highlights in robot mode, which the dead end mold sorely lacks. Magna looks very nice. The choppers are fine. Wish a bit more was done to distinguish between the two. The unified color scheme comes together well in combined mode. I will probably forgo the "official" combo for two choppers as arms. Both for aesthetics, and I find the choppers have a slightly "off" default positioning in terms of the connector port - slightly forward compared to other limbs. Also I think it will look better.
I plan to buy a sheet of Autobot stickers. A large-ish insignia on the plain hood of breakdown, a few little bits here and there, should help break up the decos a bit. If repro jumps on this I'd like to see more silver highlights on waist, little details on all the red red body parts. Some more vehicle mode detailing.
Now just waiting for a sale price. ^^
Posted by Evil Eye on April 28th, 2016 @ 4:20am CDT
That Jumpstream headsculpt is adorable though.
Posted by Crosscheck on April 28th, 2016 @ 4:39am CDT
Hopefully they will do something similar with Computron's hands and feet. If they are going to get rid of the HFG for all of the limbs, at least make it so those cool feet and hands can go somewhere when everyone is in vehicle mode. If they attached under Scattershot's vehicle mode as sort of fuel tanks, I would be happy. I guess Victorion's feet/hands could plug in under the helicopter modes the way the HFGs do for the other helicopter limbs.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 28th, 2016 @ 5:14am CDT
In response to this answer, I suggested to him that a way one could reconcile the two would be that, since there seem to be more Torchbearers in the comic beyond the specific six individuals who form Victorion, one could say that while the six Victorion bots are among the many Torchbearers in the comic, those six specific Torchbearers are the ones also known as the Rust Renegades, while all other Torchbearers are not, making those six a group within a group. His answer to that suggestion was that it sounded neat.
Posted by ArmadaPrime on April 28th, 2016 @ 6:18am CDT
Posted by reluctantyouth on April 28th, 2016 @ 7:54am CDT


Posted by Kyleor on April 28th, 2016 @ 8:06am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on April 28th, 2016 @ 8:27am CDT
megatronus wrote:Definitely using spare HFGs for her hands... her stock hands are extremely underwhelming. The feet are great though.
It's also nice to see that the final product toned down the bright teals of the prototypes revealed at NYCC/Toy Fair. A marked improvement.
Ryan, I'm not sure why you're not a fan of the Nightbird head in this set. I think it's nice they'd pull a Japanese head sculpt to this side of the Pacific (although it was almost certainly to save on costs). I get that you'd prefer all new everything, but I think that's a tad unrealistic. For a quasi-exclusive box set, they pulled out plenty of stops.
I dont get it, arent they different heads? They sure look different to me:

Of course if I am looking at the wrong head, let me know.
And I totally agree Megatronus, those hands are really not great. They look so off compared to the giant forearms.
So Ryan, do you recomend this set overall?
Oh and dumb question guys but seriously where did all the white from the colourchoice (option c) go?

Posted by philswitch engage on April 28th, 2016 @ 9:37am CDT
Posted by Deadput on April 28th, 2016 @ 9:59am CDT
philswitch engage wrote:i've seen ugly but that's like circus ugly
Nothing like the gorgeous color scheme of Devastator, Computron, Piranacon and those G2 combiners amirite?
Posted by philswitch engage on April 28th, 2016 @ 10:14am CDT
Deadput wrote:philswitch engage wrote:i've seen ugly but that's like circus ugly
Nothing like the gorgeous color scheme of Devastator, Computron, Piranacon and those G2 combiners amirite?
Devastator is iconic in his neon green and purple scheme.
Computron is kinda meh. I do enjoy the blue, brown, and gold colors of his animated face.
Piranacon is a late 80's neon nightmare that only works well if you have a nostalgia for that sort of thing.
The G2 combiners lack any real uniformity for my tastes.
Posted by Seibertron on April 28th, 2016 @ 10:29am CDT

Here's what it is supposed to look like (and what it looks like on my 2nd Victorion that I'm about to photograph) ...

Fortunately, I've got a spare Victorion for the time being where its not broken.

Posted by Agamemnon on April 28th, 2016 @ 10:41am CDT
Seibertron wrote:So I just noticed this morning that the top of Victorion's forehead crest was broken and missing in the package. You'll notice in the picture below that the top of the crest is angled, where it must have sheared off at the factory. Urgh.
Here's what it is supposed to look like (and what it looks like on my 2nd Victorion that I'm about to photograph) ...
Fortunately, I've got a spare Victorion for the time being where this is not broken.
Can you confirm it is not broken on other Victorion figures? I'm wondering if this is another case of clipping something long and sharpish for toy safety guidelines, like they did for a movie figure, I think. I don't remember which one it was....

Posted by Seibertron on April 28th, 2016 @ 11:16am CDT
Agamemnon wrote:Seibertron wrote:So I just noticed this morning that the top of Victorion's forehead crest was broken and missing in the package. You'll notice in the picture below that the top of the crest is angled, where it must have sheared off at the factory. Urgh.
Here's what it is supposed to look like (and what it looks like on my 2nd Victorion that I'm about to photograph) ...
Fortunately, I've got a spare Victorion for the time being where this is not broken.
Can you confirm it is not broken on other Victorion figures? I'm wondering if this is another case of clipping something long and sharpish for toy safety guidelines, like they did for a movie figure, I think. I don't remember which one it was....
Per my quote that you quoted

Posted by Deadput on April 28th, 2016 @ 11:21am CDT
philswitch engage wrote:Devastator is iconic in his neon green and purple scheme.
Iconic doesn't mean pretty the Constructicons have always had an ugly color scheme no matter how you spin it.
I bet that if Victorion was from the original G1 toyline no one would care and they would call her colors iconic cause nostalgia is a blinding thing.
Posted by RNSrobot on April 28th, 2016 @ 11:23am CDT
william-james88 wrote:megatronus wrote:Definitely using spare HFGs for her hands... her stock hands are extremely underwhelming. The feet are great though.
It's also nice to see that the final product toned down the bright teals of the prototypes revealed at NYCC/Toy Fair. A marked improvement.
Ryan, I'm not sure why you're not a fan of the Nightbird head in this set. I think it's nice they'd pull a Japanese head sculpt to this side of the Pacific (although it was almost certainly to save on costs). I get that you'd prefer all new everything, but I think that's a tad unrealistic. For a quasi-exclusive box set, they pulled out plenty of stops.
I dont get it, arent they different heads? They sure look different to me:
Of course if I am looking at the wrong head, let me know.
And I totally agree Megatronus, those hands are really not great. They look so off compared to the giant forearms.
So Ryan, do you recomend this set overall?
Oh and dumb question guys but seriously where did all the white from the colourchoice (option c) go?
I bet the fists will look much better on the copters.
Posted by william-james88 on April 28th, 2016 @ 11:31am CDT
RNSrobot wrote:I bet the fists will look much better on the copters.
I am sure fo this, which is why it puzzles me taht they ddint go for it that way.
Posted by Agamemnon on April 28th, 2016 @ 11:43am CDT
Seibertron wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Seibertron wrote:So I just noticed this morning that the top of Victorion's forehead crest was broken and missing in the package. You'll notice in the picture below that the top of the crest is angled, where it must have sheared off at the factory. Urgh.
Here's what it is supposed to look like (and what it looks like on my 2nd Victorion that I'm about to photograph) ...
Fortunately, I've got a spare Victorion for the time being where this is not broken.
Can you confirm it is not broken on other Victorion figures? I'm wondering if this is another case of clipping something long and sharpish for toy safety guidelines, like they did for a movie figure, I think. I don't remember which one it was....
Per my quote that you quoted
I wasn't sure if the "spare" was the one used in the photos and another one is on the way...
[Edit] Oh, and as I take a closer look, there appears to be additional differences from the box art and your photos, with that black recessed area being smaller in the box art the most obvious...
Posted by alex1986lunatic on April 28th, 2016 @ 11:45am CDT
Posted by jay5 on April 28th, 2016 @ 11:49am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 28th, 2016 @ 11:50am CDT

Posted by Seibertron on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:00pm CDT
Colour (color) blindness (colour vision deficiency, or CVD) affects approximately 1 in 12 men (8%) and 1 in 200 women in the world. In Britain this means that there are approximately 2.7 million colour blind people (about 4.5% of the entire population), most of whom are male.
If you've never done a color blind test before, give one a whirl. I wasn't even aware that I had a mild form of it until about 5 years ago one Thanksgiving when my brother-in-law started passing around his phone that had a color blind app on it. I thought everyone was screwing with me because I couldn't see one of the numbers that the rest of them could see plain as day.
http://enchroma.com/test/instructions/
http://colorvisiontesting.com/ishihara.htm
I'm assuming that the degrees with how people "see" red and greens, that this impacts your perception of whether or not the Victorion set has a decent color scheme or not. Of course, personal opinion obviously comes into play, but it's more complex with this set because of the red and green color palette.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:12pm CDT

Posted by Seibertron on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:13pm CDT
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:14pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:She came out really nice. I can't wait to get her!
I can't wait either. I even picked up a Wreck Gar to give he an option for an orange bra, girl's gotta options.
Posted by Cobotron on April 28th, 2016 @ 12:24pm CDT
I have perfect color vision!

This is a relief due to the creative nature of many of my endeavors.
Thanks Dr. Seibsie!

Although I am still unclear on my opinion of Vicky's colors. There are other factors that bother me more, but I will say she has grown on me. Still really like the concept of a gang of super tough ladies. GIRL POWER punch to the face!

Posted by philswitch engage on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:14pm CDT
Deadput wrote:philswitch engage wrote:Devastator is iconic in his neon green and purple scheme.
Iconic doesn't mean pretty the Constructicons have always had an ugly color scheme no matter how you spin it.
I bet that if Victorion was from the original G1 toyline no one would care and they would call her colors iconic cause nostalgia is a blinding thing.
It's not just the color scheme, but some of the individual bots have horrible head sculpts as well. I really enjoy the head for the combined figure, but the 2 cars heads' are very off putting to me.
Posted by RevTibe on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:21pm CDT
I'd say almost all Combiners have colour schemes that are a bit screwy one way or another (consequence of trying to make the colour layouts work for individual and combined forms), but Victorion's problem might be that her paintjob's awkward in a different manner to preexisting combiners. Guys like Devastator have the "monochromatic blob" problem, guys like Menasor have the "we're not even trying" problem (although that does seem to be fairly effective at deflecting critique).Deadput wrote:Iconic doesn't mean pretty the Constructicons have always had an ugly color scheme no matter how you spin it.philswitch engage wrote:Devastator is iconic in his neon green and purple scheme.
Victorion comes off as kind of "crumbly" - the colour layouts of her individual components are already fairly small and jumbled, which only gets more noticeable when they're all stuck together. I think she would've benefited from her colours being mapped in larger blocks, and maybe mixing up the colour scheme between some limbs (cars teal w/ cerulean, copters rust w/ white etc).
Yeah, new characters get held to weirdly high standards that legacy characters don't. Iconic/traditional is more of an excuse than a reason.Deadput wrote:I bet that if Victorion was from the original G1 toyline no one would care and they would call her colors iconic cause nostalgia is a blinding thing.
Posted by Deadput on April 28th, 2016 @ 1:22pm CDT
philswitch engage wrote:
It's not just the color scheme, but some of the individual bots have horrible head sculpts as well. I really enjoy the head for the combined figure, but the 2 cars heads' are very off putting to me.
How are they horrible though?
Hardly any different from most fembot head sculpts hell one of the car bots has Nightbird's headsculpt (The look not mold)
It's because their new characters isn't it?