Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst

Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst

Friday, September 1st, 2017 6:36am CDT

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Thanks to fellow Seibertronian chuckdawg1999, we have a video review of the entirety of wave 6 for Transformers: Titans Return in the single plastic incarnation of Slugslinger and Titan Master Caliburst! A retool of the Triggerhappy mold, you can check out some more thoughts on the toy below, and watch the review for yourselves!

Slugslinger has a special place in my heart. It was the only Decepticon Targetmaster I had when I was young, so I knew I had to make sure I got the Titans Return update. I'll say it right now, Slugslinger's weapon is the best of the entire line, being the closest to the original G1 Targetmaster look, you almost miss the Titan Master interactivity. Transformation is simple but satisfying which leaves me wondering why its mold mate Triggerhappy is so involved. Even if it wasn't the last deluxe figure in the line Slugslinger would be a must have.


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Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907902)
Posted by Emerje on September 1st, 2017 @ 8:19am CDT
Where do I even begin... :roll:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Emerje, your post makes me want to do what Optimus is doing in your avatar.
First off,a Leader-class Scorponok would be worthless. That would be even more ridiculously outsized by Fort Max (either version) than the original G1 Scorponok toy. The only class suitable for a brand-new toy of G1 Scorponok is Titan-class. No ifs ands or buts.

Not all of us live by the G1 cartoon, some of us like Marvel comic continuity where Scorponok's best moments were with Prime.

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As a kid I really didn't buy into Scorponok being Fort Max's rival thanks to the size discrepancy, but the comics gave me an alternative that I could easily replicate with the figures and others here have expressed the same thing.

As for the Targetmasters, not including them in Titans Return would have been a bad call considering that they were still a major part of the late-1987 lineup and featured in The Rebirth.

You say that like Titans Return is a dedicated 1987 line, which it isn't. You say that like Titans Return is based on The Rebirth, which it isn't. It contains figures from that period and from that season, but it isn't a slave to it, it isn't even a slave to characters originally released by Hasbro.

As for Powermasters, there's exactly three (but then, if we're bringing back the "little partner figure who forms part of a Transformer" concept why not make new toys for the Powermasters?): 1. Powermaster Optimus Prime (who was a big part of late G1 both in the Marvel comics and in the so-called fifth season of the cartoon where he was part of the framing device. Plus, well, Generations hadn't had a big Optimus yet), who is a retool of the already-existing CW Ultra Magnus.

Yeah, I own two of the G1 PM Prime and a reissue God Ginrai as well as Legends God Ginrai and SoC Magnus Prime, I know all this. Even Hasbro admitted they jumped the gun making TR PM Prime since they hadn't come up with PotP yet. It was poor planning on their part, they shouldn't have boxed themselves in like this and left PM Prime and other PMs and Targetmasters for later just in case TR did well and they wanted to repeat it later (which they basically did with PotP).

2. Breakaway, because Hasbro wanted more mileage out of the Chromedome mold and realized that A. Getaway/Lightfoot's original car mode and TR Chromedome's car mode looked quasi-similar and B. the faux-hood chest was shaped such that it could be painted up like the original toy's chest windshield. That and he's a major character in the IDW comics.

The only valid point you made was the last one about him being in the IDW comics (though the figure looks nothing at all like the comic version). I own for a loose G1 Getaway and a MIB G1 figure, he's a normal Earth sports car (TFWiki tells me he's a Mazda RX-7 FC3S) while Chromedome is a Cybertronian car. TR Breakaway is a very abstract take on the character and they used so much paint trying to make Chromedome look a little like Getaway that they missed more important things like his blue arms. Again, they should have held off.

3. Overlord. Whose original toy costs a mint due to no US release, who has appeal to fans of Japanese G1, and who is also a major player in the IDW comics. Every reason to have a new toy developed.

I'm not arguing that a new figure needs to be made, just the way they went about making it. Fans have waited this long, why not wait another year for him to be done right? Again they boxed themselves in and released a figure that they planned too soon. I'd rather his spot had been taken by Thunderwing modified from Sky Shadow. I mean, all they had to do was push the figure back, give him a new head (the TR mold can Transform without removing the TM) and he'd be ready to stick two Prime Masters in his chest.

The Horrorcons, meanwhile? They would have been annoying to design within the constraints of Titans Return and, frankly, to bring up to the standards of modern Transformers figures (Apeface especially), and wouldn't have lent themselves to being moldmates with anybody except maybe each other. And they would have had to rely on nostalgia for sales (and from what I understand they were never the most popular) since the Horrorcons are barely even a footnote in IDW. Also, since they would have been Voyagers (if they'd been made as full figures at all) it's not like the Targetmasters took spots they would have used.

You act as if only characters that have had an impact in the IDW comics are worth making figures of. I find that baffling since we've gotten few figures based on the comics directly. Hate to break it to you, but Hasbro relies much, much more on nostalgia than the comics when it comes to remaking G1 figures. But it really just comes down to what makes a cool figure. New figures of Apeface and Snapdragon would be cool. As for mold-mates, there are options like the leaked (and most likely fake) retools into BW TM2 Optimus Primal and Megatron. Or even go way outside the box and do Oilmaster (a double Pretender) or B'Boom (a BW Triplechanger of sorts) and Dinobot. There are always options. And it's not like mold-mates have to appear in the same line, we're seeing a lot of retools in PotP already.

Emerje
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907911)
Posted by Super Megatron on September 1st, 2017 @ 9:02am CDT
I don't know - seems too simplistic for a deluxe sized Transformer for the price it demands in the stores.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907912)
Posted by william-james88 on September 1st, 2017 @ 9:06am CDT
Super Megatron wrote:I don't know - seems too simplistic for a deluxe sized Transformer for the price it demands in the stores.

Misfire is just as simple.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907927)
Posted by Kurona on September 1st, 2017 @ 9:54am CDT
A Leader Scorponok would be awesome. It seems to be his most consistent size in fiction; not only did Marvel have him around that size, but so did IDW and - considering his implied leadership role - presumably Dreamwave. It simply seems to be the standard go-to size. Let's not forget that other versions of Scorponok outwith G1 make him a 'standard' size rather than city-sized, even when based directly on the G1 character like in the case of Energon.

Personally? I feel we should get both and one should not take precedent over the other. Both sizes of Scorponok are beloved for different reasons. It seems inevitable we're gonna get a Titan Scorponok anyway so I see no reason to not get a Leader one as well. Incidentally, I also feel we should at some point get a Leader-sized Fort Max. Maybe they could base him on the IDW design to differentiate him from the Titan. ... actually, considering how inaccurate the Titan was, they could probably differentiate the Leader enough simply by making him G1-accurate :lol:
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907931)
Posted by YoungPrime on September 1st, 2017 @ 10:03am CDT
Why is this a shock?

They telling factor was that Takara haf this up for pre-order so soon. Which is something they don't normally do because their versions are usually better quality and they know they will sell so they prolong their releases in order to give Hasbro a little breathing room.

That wasn't the case this time. Takara had this out on pre-order with no pictures months before Hasbro did.

Odds are they're saving the Darker gray or black paint scheme for the one with the huge horn.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907943)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 1st, 2017 @ 11:48am CDT
Dat Slugslinger. I NEED IT!
The trio with Trigger Happy and Missfire MUST be completed.

I fear this will never come out in stores or if it do, it will be like a drop of water in a hot pan. So I'll have to pay the price like for Kup.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907961)
Posted by william-james88 on September 1st, 2017 @ 12:50pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Dat Slugslinger. I NEED IT!
The trio with Trigger Happy and Missfire MUST be completed.

I fear this will never come out in stores or if it do, it will be like a drop of water in a hot pan. So I'll have to pay the price like for Kup.

At least he comes 3 per box, unlike KUP. Oh and Kup is getting rereleased, so you have another chance of getting him.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907971)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on September 1st, 2017 @ 2:41pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Where do I even begin... :roll:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:As for the Targetmasters, not including them in Titans Return would have been a bad call considering that they were still a major part of the late-1987 lineup and featured in The Rebirth.

You say that like Titans Return is a dedicated 1987 line, which it isn't. You say that like Titans Return is based on The Rebirth, which it isn't. It contains figures from that period and from that season, but it isn't a slave to it, it isn't even a slave to characters originally released by Hasbro.

You're absolutely right, it's not a dedicated 1987 line - with the exception of Sky Shadow, Krok and the Jumpstarters it's a dedicated 1986-1988 line. My point is that, since they were covering that era and doing the Headmasters, why NOT do the other characters who were there with them?

As for Powermasters, there's exactly three (but then, if we're bringing back the "little partner figure who forms part of a Transformer" concept why not make new toys for the Powermasters?): 1. Powermaster Optimus Prime (who was a big part of late G1 both in the Marvel comics and in the so-called fifth season of the cartoon where he was part of the framing device. Plus, well, Generations hadn't had a big Optimus yet), who is a retool of the already-existing CW Ultra Magnus.

Yeah, I own two of the G1 PM Prime and a reissue God Ginrai as well as Legends God Ginrai and SoC Magnus Prime, I know all this. Even Hasbro admitted they jumped the gun making TR PM Prime since they hadn't come up with PotP yet. It was poor planning on their part, they shouldn't have boxed themselves in like this and left PM Prime and other PMs and Targetmasters for later just in case TR did well and they wanted to repeat it later (which they basically did with PotP).

They also said that it was kind of impossible to plan ahead to the next line, that the next line's gimmick was "Answer cloudy, ask again later" until late in Titans Return's development. Also, the main reason they wished they'd been able to hold off on PMOP til Power of the Primes ISN'T because Prime Masters form engines. It's because the gimmick of Leader class figures in that line is "Deluxe core figure combines with extra components to form a larger figure". You know, like how the original PMOP toy that you have so many versions of was a separate cab robot that combined with its trailer to form a super robot.

2. Breakaway, because Hasbro wanted more mileage out of the Chromedome mold and realized that A. Getaway/Lightfoot's original car mode and TR Chromedome's car mode looked quasi-similar and B. the faux-hood chest was shaped such that it could be painted up like the original toy's chest windshield. That and he's a major character in the IDW comics.

The only valid point you made was the last one about him being in the IDW comics (though the figure looks nothing at all like the comic version). I own for a loose G1 Getaway and a MIB G1 figure, he's a normal Earth sports car (TFWiki tells me he's a Mazda RX-7 FC3S) while Chromedome is a Cybertronian car. TR Breakaway is a very abstract take on the character and they used so much paint trying to make Chromedome look a little like Getaway that they missed more important things like his blue arms. Again, they should have held off.

:roll: You seem to have completely ignored a couple of my statements here. They have been bolded. I know that G1 Getaway is an Earth sportscar while G1 Chromedome is a Cybertronian sportscar, but TR Chromedome's car mode's tucked-in arms give it a more Earthly profile and they're both hatchbacks. I did say QUASI similar after all. I admit it's a shoehorning (though some here seem fine with that considering all the people wanting a Crosshairs redeco of Kup). But when Hasbro decided Chromedome was getting a redeco to maximize their returns on the mold (meaning SOMEBDOY was getting shoehorned into it), Getaway was not exactly an out-of-left-field choice, especially given the era the line mainly looks at and having comic presence promoting him on top of that.

3. Overlord. Whose original toy costs a mint due to no US release, who has appeal to fans of Japanese G1, and who is also a major player in the IDW comics. Every reason to have a new toy developed.

I'm not arguing that a new figure needs to be made, just the way they went about making it. Fans have waited this long, why not wait another year for him to be done right? Again they boxed themselves in and released a figure that they planned too soon. I'd rather his spot had been taken by Thunderwing modified from Sky Shadow. I mean, all they had to do was push the figure back, give him a new head (the TR mold can Transform without removing the TM) and he'd be ready to stick two Prime Masters in his chest.

Oh yes, because it makes *perfect* sense to delay Overlord, the guy the mold was mainly designed as in the first place and whose jet component's molds were ready already, in favor of Thunderwing who would require new tooling and would be a shoehorned-in retool to get more out of the mold just like Sky Shadow was (he's a kickass-looking one but he's still a shoehorn. Given that the tank component is unmistakably the Gigatank in sculpt, it's pretty obvious). Oh, wait - no it doesn't. And in fact, Thunderwing is actually more suited to Power of the Primes than Overlord is considering that the gimmick for Leaders in PotP is a Deluxe-size core robot combining with a larger component - that was what Thunderwing's original toy did.

The Horrorcons, meanwhile? They would have been annoying to design within the constraints of Titans Return and, frankly, to bring up to the standards of modern Transformers figures (Apeface especially), and wouldn't have lent themselves to being moldmates with anybody except maybe each other. And they would have had to rely on nostalgia for sales (and from what I understand they were never the most popular) since the Horrorcons are barely even a footnote in IDW. Also, since they would have been Voyagers (if they'd been made as full figures at all) it's not like the Targetmasters took spots they would have used.

You act as if only characters that have had an impact in the IDW comics are worth making figures of. I find that baffling since we've gotten few figures based on the comics directly. Hate to break it to you, but Hasbro relies much, much more on nostalgia than the comics when it comes to remaking G1 figures. But it really just comes down to what makes a cool figure. New figures of Apeface and Snapdragon would be cool. As for mold-mates, there are options like the leaked (and most likely fake) retools into BW TM2 Optimus Primal and Megatron. Or even go way outside the box and do Oilmaster (a double Pretender) or B'Boom (a BW Triplechanger of sorts) and Dinobot. There are always options. And it's not like mold-mates have to appear in the same line, we're seeing a lot of retools in PotP already.

Emerje

No, I don't act like only characters who have made an impact in the IDW comics are worth making toys of. I despise the IDW continuity as a whole (there are bits I like, characters I like, but the overall universe... blugh), and I dislike when Generations toys are aesthetically influenced by the pseudo-Bayformer look (that doesn't look anywhere near as good as the actual Bayformers). But if I thought the comics didn't have a significant bearing on who gets made, I'd be deluding myself. Thinking they don't play a role in promoting the toys is also delusional - plenty of comic fans also buy the toys and someone who has had pagetime and made an impression during that pagetime is probably going to be more interesting to a fan mainly concerned with the comics than someone who hasn't appeared much or done much. And some plots and body changes in the comics have been done with selling the toys in mind.
Yes, new toys of Apeface and Snapdragon would be cool. I'm not denying that. My point is that staying faithful to their essential visual design while bringing them up to the standards of modern Transformers would have been a pain in the tail, especially with Apeface (whose design is rather cluttered by the two different sets of limbs). Even more of a pain if you wanted to keep Krunk and Spasma as double-duty heads within the constraints of Titans Return (That is, all Titan Masters can fit in all helmets, cockpits, and weapons). A pain that, given the Horrorcons are both low on the nostalgic fondness chart (if my understanding of their popularity is right) and lacking in presence in recent G1-based fiction, might not even pay off.

I'll concede you and Kurona there is some validity to a Leader Scorponok after all.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907976)
Posted by Kurona on September 1st, 2017 @ 2:57pm CDT
Generations' approach to IDW is... strange, to say the least. You've got main characters like Chromedome, Brainstorm and Rewind who aren't molded to look like their comic selves aside from - an admittedly very beautiful and faithful - headsculpt... but then you've got a B-lister like Perceptor who is sculpted right down to shoulder details and having his sniper rifle to look like the IDW character but then doesn't even have the different head design; the part of his design in the comics that makes him stand out most from his original G1 self. Can't say I'm complaining - it's incredible we're getting any comic representation at all beyond picking what characters to use as repaints to be honest - but by golly it's odd.

But I will complain that in the line where the gimmick is having a separate piece form the head and having a size class specifically devoted to giving you a different head... they didn't give you alternate head options for toys, like a Hardhead with a mouth or the aforementioned IDW Perceptor head. I say this a lot but I don't think I'll ever not be baffled by how huge a missed opportunity it was to give different fans options.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907984)
Posted by RAR on September 1st, 2017 @ 3:31pm CDT
I see The over scale TR Highbrow is available to order now - I like that he has folding rotors that is something I sorely miss not being present on the Hasbro version.

As for what I think of Hasbro toys - No Idea bar a few One steps and 3 steps and legion (repaints) & Blind bags from TLK I've not seen a single thing since wave 3.

Transformers has vanished from the shelves if it's not a Movie toy - I just hope some of the toy buyers out there are willing to play catch up pre-December on non-Movie toys.

Another year like this and it might as well be the G2 Product crash again.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907985)
Posted by Kurona on September 1st, 2017 @ 3:36pm CDT
Yeah, uh, I'm hearing this a lot; has anyone in the UK found any TR toys beyond Wave 3? Like, any at all anywhere? Not counting stuff like Kapow which imports from America; but any stock at Toys R Us or Smyths or friggin' Tesco? Because I've not seen hide nor hair of a Quake or a Seaspray or a Broadside anywhere.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1907998)
Posted by Randomhero on September 1st, 2017 @ 5:30pm CDT
Not sure if anyone has said anything yet but my slugslinger from ages three and up shipped so yes.he was actually in stock there
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1908004)
Posted by Insurgent on September 1st, 2017 @ 6:48pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Yeah, uh, I'm hearing this a lot; has anyone in the UK found any TR toys beyond Wave 3? Like, any at all anywhere? Not counting stuff like Kapow which imports from America; but any stock at Toys R Us or Smyths or friggin' Tesco? Because I've not seen hide nor hair of a Quake or a Seaspray or a Broadside anywhere.



Not yet. I'm keeping my eye out for a Ramhorn (or failing that, Quake) for my custom Metalhawk, but it's looking like he'll just have to sit in jet mode for a while until new stock starts cropping up in stores.
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1908018)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on September 1st, 2017 @ 9:22pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Generations' approach to IDW is... strange, to say the least. You've got main characters like Chromedome, Brainstorm and Rewind who aren't molded to look like their comic selves aside from - an admittedly very beautiful and faithful - headsculpt

Actually, Chromedome's TR design was based on his IDW design seen in Shadowplay
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1908021)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 1st, 2017 @ 9:48pm CDT
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:lol:
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1908066)
Posted by Decepticon619 on September 2nd, 2017 @ 12:43am CDT
Has anyone ordered Trypticon from the US and shipped to Canada? What has shipping looked like?
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1908070)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 2nd, 2017 @ 1:44am CDT
Decepticon619 wrote:Has anyone ordered Trypticon from the US and shipped to Canada? What has shipping looked like?


Well, it's in a box, carried by the mailman. You're not a home so you have a notice. You get your package at the box office. You curse as you pay the 30$+ custom fees making costing him more than if you'd have bought it locally. At home you unpack the thing and despite the bubble wrap the box is still half crushed.

So, the shipping look pretty much like every other toys. You'd hope a delivery via portal or something but no, nothing fancy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1908073)
Posted by Decepticon619 on September 2nd, 2017 @ 2:09am CDT
Haha poor wording on my part :P but you're probably quite right about the customs bit! I was just trying to gauge if it would be worth trying to snag one at the 149$ price tag as opposed to the 229$ local
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1908076)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 2nd, 2017 @ 2:36am CDT
Decepticon619 wrote:Haha poor wording on my part :P but you're probably quite right about the customs bit! I was just trying to gauge if it would be worth trying to snag one at the 145$ price tag as opposed to the 229$ local


I knew that. I just couldn't resist! :lol:

But when you say 145$, is it in USD? Because if yes, it will be REALLY counter productive. It's also a BIG box, meaning very expensive shipping. Plus, if the thing come from a US store, customs are SURE to hit. Meaning you pay the taxes anyway and you'll have to pay an extra 10$CAN "handling fee".

BBTS used to give a preview of how much shipping will cost but their site redesign made me nope'd when they asked me to enter Paypal before knowing the total.
Based on my experience, getting a large box like that from the USA is around 30$US.

So let's say it's roughly 180$US shipped. In Canadian, it mean 223$CAN. If I order it, customs hit and I pay the taxes based on Trypticon's base 180$CAN value (shipping have no taxes). Meaning around 27$CAN. Slap the "handling fee" and customs amount to 37$CAN. So, a grand total of 260$CAN if I import from the USA at that price.

Compare to just buying it live at full price at your local Toys R Us:
230$CAN plus taxes is 264$ total. MORE expensive if you order online because you'll have to pay at least 10$ in shipping, counting the shipping discount.

In the end, ordering from the USA is a big gamble and your only prize is to maybe save 5 bucks. You may end up paying more and you'll have to wait days or weeks before getting the toy.

Personally, I'll wait for a sale. And if I miss out, meh...
Re: Video Review of Transformers: Titans Return Slugslinger and Caliburst (1908079)
Posted by Burn on September 2nd, 2017 @ 2:59am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:You get your package at the box office.

You can get your mail from the movie theatre?

Man you folks in Quebec are all kinds of whack-a-doodle crazy. :-P

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