Video Review - Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Wave 4 Deluxes

I was really surprised when my local Target had all four of the Wave 4 Deluxe figures. I picked up Prowl and Mirage and left the other two. I went ahead and cancelled my BBTS pre-order while I was standing in the toy aisle.

hmmm... does CW Mirage replace classics Mirage for anyone?

mooncake623 wrote:hmmm... does CW Mirage replace classics Mirage for anyone?

Not for me - not yet anyway. If anything, CW Mirage will go in a separate IDW display.

megatronus wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:hmmm... does CW Mirage replace classics Mirage for anyone?

Not for me - not yet anyway. If anything, CW Mirage will go in a separate IDW display.

I dunno CW Mirage looks pretty good with a shoulder cannon and no tiny little waist. Wonder if any of the shoulder cannons out could work on him.

I don't consider all Combiner wars a replacement for pre-existing things they are to different (and mostly inferior) for that there might be the odd exceptions like the Stunticons/AerialBots/Protectobots/Combaticons make more sense to use than Universe ones (where they exist).

But the 8 or So Autobot limbs no - To my mind that is like asking me if I want to replace Classics Hot Rodimus with Energon Rodimus.
I certainly don't want to replace Classics Rodimus with Mini-Me Rodimus. Beside next years Titan Wars line may potentially have a new Deluxe Rodimus anyway.

RAR wrote:I don't consider all Combiner wars a replacement for pre-existing things they are to different (and mostly inferior) for that there might be the odd exceptions like the Stunticons/AerialBots/Protectobots/Combaticons make more sense to use than Universe ones (where they exist).

But the 8 or So Autobot limbs no - To my mind that is like asking me if I want to replace Classics Hot Rodimus with Energon Rodimus.
I certainly don't want to replace Classics Rodimus with Mini-Me Rodimus. Beside next years Titan Wars line may potentially have a new Deluxe Rodimus anyway.

I don't consider all of them replacements for the classics versions that came before either. but I don't know that CW Mirage might look better. I love the old Mirage mold but I've always find it really skinny and that front end popping out of his back behind his head always seemed a little silly to me. I shall see when I have them in hand.

Oh also CW Trailbreaker looks more accurate than the Generations version which is obviously IDW so going to move him to the IDW shelf and CW trailbreaker to the classics shelf. That head sculpt looks awesome.

RAR wrote:I certainly don't want to replace Classics Rodimus with Mini-Me Rodimus. Beside next years Titan Wars line may potentially have a new Deluxe Rodimus anyway.

But no one said that Rodimus was an update to classics Rodimus. It isnt. Classics rodimus is an update to G1 rodimus and Legends Rodimus is an update to Micromaster Rodimus:

This will be my first Mirage, and I will be happy with him. He looks really good and will make a nice G1 representative of mine

I think the Question was would you like to have the Combiner Wars toy replace the existing "CHUG" ones in your collection.

Rodimus is a good example of a case where you might not want to do that - Mirage (especially with the alternative Transformation and swapped hands) however may be.

Besides isn't Micromaster Rodmus/Hot Rod still Hotrod so what he's based on is sort of irrelevant to the original question.

He's perhaps just a small toy of a usually bigger Character like Optimus & Megatron are too. so come under the banner of "Just a bit of fun" like some might see One-Step changers.

RAR wrote:I think the Question was would you like to have the Combiner Wars toy replace the existing "CHUG" ones in your collection.

Rodimus is a good example of a case where you might not want to do that - Mirage (especially with the alternative Transformation and swapped hands) however may be.

Besides isn't Micromaster Rodmus/Hot Rod still Hotrod so what he's based on is sort of irrelevant to the original question.

He's perhaps just a small toy of a usually bigger Character like Optimus & Megatron are too. so come under the banner of "Just a bit of fun" like some might see One-Step changers.

Yeah but I find the whole question irrelevant too. I mean, why would these replace the other ones when they arent meant to. That's like asking "Is generations legends Optimus supposed to replace voyager classics Optimus?". Of course not, it's a different class and as for the deluxes, these have a combining gimick. Why would they replace the previous ones? Next year's trailbreaker would be really dumb to issue if there was any semblance of a goal to replace the one they had just released 2-3 yeas prior. These can be a modernized G1 representation for those who dont have these characters in this scale yet, but they arent meant to replace anyone that came before since they serve a completely new purpose.

GW Megatron though does seem to want to replace the Classics Nerf Gun Megatron, but even then that is a different size class.

These are just new play options featuring fan favourite characters.

There is certainly some arguments to be made for or against which toy you'd rather prioritise or buy now if you are new to Transformers.

For example if someone was new to the brand I might say yes by all means by all the Combiner Wars Autobots in almost all cases they work fine as who they are supposed to be and in some cases there is no clear way to say the new one is better or worse just different.

Example is Prowl I can see me liking him more than the Universe Prowl - as Universe Prowl is fiddly to transform (in the doors) and has that weird melted sticky paint issue on his doors he is however much batter articulated. But the new one is quick to change and has the bonus play feature as such I'd not be shy to recommend him over the Generations toy.

Another argument that can be made is the whole idea of would a collector/or child consumer like Dragstrip and Mirage to be different toys.

I still think Universe Hound is a better toy than CW Hound and I like the idea of that mould as Swindle better for the most part.

If you just wanted to be selective in your purchases based on trying to minimise repaints say then the Chug ones likely gain some extra appeal for that reason.

You have a choice to have a combining Mirage or a Combining Dragstrip or a Classics/Universe type non combining version of either.

That the Combiner Wars toy represent a unique play pattern and yet one that seems complementary to next years line too - seems to be that it might be a good idea to see 2015 as a start over point just like 2006 was before (and some might argue Generations was in some ways - especially the FOC/WFC stuff). Though Hasbro seems to be drawing on some prior products ideas too into 2016 like Scoop and Brainstorm.

I will be most curious to see what any potential the new Targetmasters look like small like the double ones or a bit bigger like Nightstick.
Or may be they may not do Targetmasters at all (I hope they do).

I do think it would be a shame if they stopped making CW Deluxes dead cold soon into 2016 - as I'm sure lots of people would have preferred to have the limbs for the Technobots completed. I myself wouldn't mind having a CW Sideswipe & Hoist either.

I would hope that Hasbro might consider releasing (potential new Mould) Takara Blast Off and Groove in Western form too.

mooncake623 wrote:hmmm... does CW Mirage replace classics Mirage for anyone?

IDK.... I'm looking at these repaints and none of them really look any better than the original 2.0 figures and since the combiner gimmick for this wave doesn't interest me, I'll likely pass on these. And wait for Wave 5.

Overall I'm getting kinda tired of these repaints so Hasbro will need to step their game up for the 2nd half of next year since I'm not all that impressed.

YoungPrime wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:hmmm... does CW Mirage replace classics Mirage for anyone?

IDK.... I'm looking at these repaints and none of them really look any better than the original 2.0 figures and since the combiner gimmick for this wave doesn't interest me, I'll likely pass on these. And wait for Wave 5.

Overall I'm getting kinda tired of these repaints so Hasbro will need to step their game up for the 2nd half of next year since I'm not all that impressed.

Well they did say that there would be new molds, IDK what that measn, probably bigroove and blastoff once they've been produced, and (hopefully ) a couple more new molds

Hellscream9999 wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:hmmm... does CW Mirage replace classics Mirage for anyone?

IDK.... I'm looking at these repaints and none of them really look any better than the original 2.0 figures and since the combiner gimmick for this wave doesn't interest me, I'll likely pass on these. And wait for Wave 5.

Overall I'm getting kinda tired of these repaints so Hasbro will need to step their game up for the 2nd half of next year since I'm not all that impressed.

Well they did say that there would be new molds, IDK what that measn, probably bigroove and blastoff once they've been produced, and (hopefully ) a couple more new molds

Yes indeed, and here is the interview that quote is from:



However, judging from their expression, I am 100% sure they meant that the second half of the year would feature new molds for another line (probably titan wars). Because the new molds seemed to indicate a big thing that is fully new coming our way.

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:hmmm... does CW Mirage replace classics Mirage for anyone?

IDK.... I'm looking at these repaints and none of them really look any better than the original 2.0 figures and since the combiner gimmick for this wave doesn't interest me, I'll likely pass on these. And wait for Wave 5.

Overall I'm getting kinda tired of these repaints so Hasbro will need to step their game up for the 2nd half of next year since I'm not all that impressed.

Well they did say that there would be new molds, IDK what that measn, probably bigroove and blastoff once they've been produced, and (hopefully ) a couple more new molds

Yes indeed, and here is the interview that quote is from:



However, judging from their expression, I am 100% sure they meant that the second half of the year would feature new molds for another line (probably titan wars). Because the new molds seemed to indicate a big thing that is fully new coming our way.

Bummer, guess that'll be it for a while on the collecting front then

Hellscream9999 wrote:Bummer, guess that'll be it for a while on the collecting front then

So your only in this for combiner wars? I recomend you stick around, there seem to be a lot of fun things ahead.

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Bummer, guess that'll be it for a while on the collecting front then

So your only in this for combiner wars? I recommend you stick around, there seem to be a lot of fun things ahead.

Well, I've been collecting since I got grimlock in beast wars, but combiners are far and away my favorite aspect of the series. Before this, I would judiciously grab several figures over the course of the year that I liked; so once this line is over, it'll be back to a more conservative purchasing stance (and, really, most of the generation figures before this never really caught my interest for one reason or another)

I think there is some issues unresolved in Combiner wars that leaves some people thinking even if the replacement line is great "Is that it"?

For example.
Surely there is enough mould to squeeze another 4 Autobots out of the moulds - Sideswipe & Hoist being the most obvious examples... that would at least be part of the way to giving Red Optimus some limbs.

Not to mention the lack of Technobot limbs and no Limbs for Cyclonus - the most obvious example of what to do there and a good money spinner is to make a limb capable Sweep/Scourge next year... people will army build that for sure.

But considering there is Decepticon repaint potential in the existing moulds and Takara's Grand Scourge lacks limbs too I would like to see some progression along that path as if you do address the Energon Optimus idea you actually address some of the Technobots and even the LeoKiser idea at the same time.

Not to mention it would be nice to have a Firetruck limb it could be siren, or Heatwave or Inferno or simply be named after an existing Minicon perhaps or even as a new character and careful design would allow for such a limb to be repainted/remoulded a bit too perhaps as Grapple or even a Decepticon Garbage truck character.

The drill tank idea has several uses, Brawl would remould well into something too. maybe even Quake.

I don't mind if they rotate the Combiner Wars concept away from mainline status but I would still like a few more even repaint/minor remoulds perhaps as gift sets and the like.

I bet I'm not the only one who'd want G2 Protectobots & Combaticons either on sale at some point (perhaps as a comic convention exclusive).

Hey guys, sorry this is off topic, but do you all think that CW Optimus Prime is a good definitive "G1 Representation" of the character for my collection. Is there a leader class Optimus from the generations line? I sort of want one that can be to scale with the CW Megatron. Thanks.

joeprime276 wrote:Hey guys, sorry this is off topic, but do you all think that CW Optimus Prime is a good definitive "G1 Representation" of the character for my collection. Is there a leader class Optimus from the generations line? I sort of want one that can be to scale with the CW Megatron. Thanks.

Not really, I think the best one is still classics O/P, and there are so many iterations of it, you could probably get one for a decent price.