Transformers: SIEGE Deluxe Autobot Sixgun Video Review!

Wolfman Jake wrote:TonTon is at it again! This time, Seibertron member Riley Hoffman was the one to alert us to the latest video review upload at TonTon Review on YouTube. The upcoming Transformer this time is the Deluxe Autobot Weaponizer Sixgun, slated for release soon in Wave 2 of the War for Cybertron: SIEGE line. Sixgun is classically a companion to Metroplex from the original G1 series. We get a look at the conversion of Sixgun from Cybertronian flying munitions platform to robot and back. TonTon gives us a few size comparisons in vehicle mode too. The most important part, though, is getting a look at how to disassemble Sixgun into armor and weapons to equip other figures. Almost as a teaser, TonTon shows us one possible configuration on Sixgun's wave mate, also of the second Deluxe Class assortment in SIEGE, Ironhide! Get a load of Sixgun and a taste of Ironhide for yourselves in the video below!

What do you think of this modern version of Sixgun? Will you be picking him up to complete your Transformers Generations: Thrilling 30 Titan Class Metroplex? Will you be picking up more than one to arm your Autobot army to the teeth? Tell us what you think in the comments below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest news on all things Transformers!

How is this a review? There's no opinion, just a product demo

I want this even more now. Cant wait to try and combo him with cog

Dannshinigami wrote:I want this even more now. Cant wait to try and combo him with cog

I want to see if there is a way to get him to work with Metroplex

Yeah forgot about Metroplex combos. He would prob work as turrets etc

Can't wait for sixgun, he's the only one I'm affording myself from the wave 2 deluxes

Finally got Cog yesterday, and initially I was pretty weirded out. But after playing with him for a bit, I like him him. I don’t love him, but I like him. He’s got a very G1 Comics vibe about him, with his paunch, stumpy frame.

I’m not a fan of how the shoulders are just 5mm pegs; but they’re secure, and given the gimmick I suppose wasn’t any other way to do it. I’m also not a fan of how gappy his upper back is, but I realize that’s also being nitpicky. Normally I’m not too hard on TFs with back gaps, but for some reason this one really stands out to me.

The whole Partsforming thing is kinda ghetto; I wish they’d designed him to transform with needing to be disassembled. I mean I know it’s the whole gimmick and all but partsforming isn’t transforming, and always feels like cheating to me. I hope it feels less out of place when we have Sixgun and Brunt in hand.

Vehicle mode I kinda dig though, it’s charming. The instructions have you put the arm cannons on the “cab” portion, but I prefer to put them on the “trailer” section. I think it helps sell the mobile weapons platform look, but it makes me wish he was a voyager class figure. (I’d post some photos but it’s being a bitch on my phone right now)

Right now it sounds like I’m bashing the little guy, but I do like him. I just want my grievances to be aired and discussed.

P.S. Oh and his guns are super cool, too bad the posts are really loose in the hands on mine.

My local walmart had all of the wave one deluxe class figures. I bought Sideswipe and he is great!

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Finally got Cog yesterday, and initially I was pretty weirded out. But after playing with him for a bit, I like him him. I don’t love him, but I like him. He’s got a very G1 Comics vibe about him, with his paunch, stumpy frame.

I’m not a fan of how the shoulders are just 5mm pegs; but they’re secure, and given the gimmick I suppose wasn’t any other way to do it. I’m also not a fan of how gappy his upper back is, but I realize that’s also being nitpicky. Normally I’m not too hard on TFs with back gaps, but for some reason this one really stands out to me.

The whole Partsforming thing is kinda ghetto; I wish they’d designed him to transform with needing to be disassembled. I mean I know it’s the whole gimmick and all but partsforming isn’t transforming, and always feels like cheating to me. I hope it feels less out of place when we have Sixgun and Brunt in hand.

Vehicle mode I kinda dig though, it’s charming. The instructions have you put the arm cannons on the “cab” portion, but I prefer to put them on the “trailer” section. I think it helps sell the mobile weapons platform look, but it makes me wish he was a voyager class figure. (I’d post some photos but it’s being a bitch on my phone right now)

Right now it sounds like I’m bashing the little guy, but I do like him. I just want my grievances to be aired and discussed.

P.S. Oh and his guns are super cool, too bad the posts are really loose in the hands on mine.

I get where you are coming from. The transformation is typically the most appealing part of the toy for me. But for some reason, I really like Cog. Enough to get 3, well only because I was able to get them from HTS at $9 each. If I was limited to full price, then it would have been only 1.

For me, knowing that the weaponizers are largely going to be partsformers with a few little bits of transformation included, helped me reset my expectations for them. I know the transformation is going to be relatively boring, but the real fun for me is pulling him apart and enhancing other characters. I'll get some fun examples in photos and post them soon.

Weird thing on the hands. While the guns are pretty loose when he's holding them, especially the right hand, the same ports on the bottom of the hands are EXTREMELY tight. I messed around with my 3 Cogs to make an approximate Rack n Ruin, and used the ports on the bottom of the hands, and could barely get them to hold because it was so tight and caused some minor stress marks. It is almost like the 5mm ports in the hands are tapered or something.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Seibertron featuring the reviews (and thus giving them more hits) probably encourages the thefts further, to some degree

We dont know the facts, Hasbro keeps an eye on all our content, if there is something they would rather we not post they will let us know, as they have in the past for certain leaks.

Just to get our facts straight though, these toys have been in production for months now, as evident from the in package images we posted a month ago. If someone was actually stealing from the assemlby line, we wold have gotten these videos months ago instead of right before they are about to hit retail.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:For me, knowing that the weaponizers are largely going to be partsformers with a few little bits of transformation included, helped me reset my expectations for them. I know the transformation is going to be relatively boring, but the real fun for me is pulling him apart and enhancing other characters. I'll get some fun examples in photos and post them soon.

This covers my sentiment on Cog's partsforming. Would it have been nice to have an additional joint for the arms to move position without being unplugged for bot to alt mode? yes, but as is pointed out as he disassembles into parts for others to use, I can see why he doesn't have such a joint.

Megatron is actually a pretty good figure. My only real complaint is the battle damage paint. I don't regret this purchase.

I found Megatron yesterday, he was the only one there, and it was like love at first sight. The colors were perfect, he looked perfect, and I wound up liking the battle damage paint a whole lot more than I did, it really helps what would be a bland figure. I didn't pick him up though, because I forgot my wallet when I found him, next time I go to Target, will definitely get him.

Ironhidensh wrote:I don't regret this purchase.

Ironhidensh, I think this is the highest praise I've ever seen you give a Transformers figure!

Probably goes without saying, but:

WFC:S Megatron's Fusion Cannon + TLK Megatron's Fire Effect = Awesome.

Everything pegs together so tightly, and Megs is so heavy with nice tight joints he can easily support the extra weight on his barrel.

What’s with the partsforming hate? Seriously it’s been around for 35 years. When did being negative about something that’s literally nothing become a dirty word? I don’t understand people who say complain about it. especially when the gimmick of weaponizers in their line is they come apart to become modular weapons and armor.

Randomhero wrote:What’s with the partsforming hate? Seriously it’s been around for 35 years. When did being negative about something that’s literally nothing becuase a dirty words? I don’t understand people who say complain about it.!wspecially when the gimmick of weaponizers in their line is they come apart to become modular weapons and armor.

What are your favourite partsformers?

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:What’s with the partsforming hate? Seriously it’s been around for 35 years. When did being negative about something that’s literally nothing becuase a dirty words? I don’t understand people who say complain about it.!wspecially when the gimmick of weaponizers in their line is they come apart to become modular weapons and armor.

What are your favourite partsformers?

The entire first year of 1984 except the minibots are partsformers. They all have parts that get removed and added on. It’s been a thing since day one. My favorite of all time will be optimus and Starscream.

I just don’t get it. I don’t understand why people act like parts forming is the worst or say it’s a deal breaker when some of the most beloved toys fall into that category especially when it comes to these figures. That’s their design. Theyre legitimately intended to come apart and rearrange

Randomhero wrote:What’s with the partsforming hate? Seriously it’s been around for 35 years. When did being negative about something that’s literally nothing become a dirty word? I don’t understand people who say complain about it. especially when the gimmick of weaponizers in their line is they come apart to become modular weapons and armor.

If this was in reply to my comments, then you completely missed my points, no hate for partsforming here. For me though, the transformation is the number one thing I look for in a normal transformers toy (gimmicks aside). I just prefer a great transformation over parts forming where applicable. The weaponizers however are really a different beast where partsforming is the basic idea and I think Cog was done really well (hence buying 3). I do like that they included some minor transformation steps for the legs and the torso, because without that, you basically have LEGOs (which I also like).

Just curious, are partsformers a different category than armour pieces? Like POTP Rodimus Prime, is that a Parts Former? Feels like one to me, but then Magnus does not since he is a bot with armour.

Oh wait i think I just answered my own question

I used to be bothered by partsforming, but then TF:AoE introduced the Lego Decepticons, and now I just think, 'Well, it could be worse.'

No but there’s plenty of people that complain about it and I’m just baffled by it. Taking a piece off and adding it in is treated like taboo.

A while back I actually saw someone complaining that you gotta attach hands and feet on combiners...my brain can’t fathom these people. Recently someone was complaining becuase the reissue of G1 Optimus Primes hands detach and said “ugh partsforming...pass” have you never seen a G1 toy?

Plenty of people complained that Siege Magnus armor comes apart

Caelus wrote:I used to be bothered by partsforming, but then TF:AoE introduced the Lego Decepticons, and now I just think, 'Well, it could be worse.'

Oh Primus I had forgotten about those... But I still don't care for partsforming because I don't buy Transformers for Lego, I buy Lego for Lego, and I buy Transformers for transforming figures. Most of the time, small parts forming (like weapons being part of the vehicle mode) doesn't bother me, and the leader class figures with an "armor boost" don't bother me because it's still a complete figure if you lose a part. The weaponizers don't bother me for some strange reason. Part of why I wasn't thrilled about Omega being an update to G1 was because of the partsforming, but I've warmed up to it since. I just know that it's always possible to lose some pieces through some accident and would hate it if I had to try and find the lost piece on eBay or buy a new figure just to have the whole character that I wanted

It's all because we're spoiled by parts being able to be integrated or folded away, even on Combiners (even if that doesn't work out for the better, look at FoC Bruticus). I guess taking steps back for the sake of convenience or authenticity isn't acceptable for everyone.

Randomhero wrote:No but there’s plenty of people that complain about it and I’m just baffled by it. Taking a piece off and adding it in is treated like taboo.

It makes a difference for people who care about the extent to which the toys are faithful to the depictions of Transformers in cartoons and comic books, where parts-forming is virtually absent. Also, a lot of us have bad memories of good toys ruined by the loss of critical accessories, so there's a practical concern there too - losing a generic rifle or pistol accessory is annoying, but Optimus Prime needs his danged hands!

Recently someone was complaining becuase the reissue of G1 Optimus Primes hands detach and said “ugh partsforming...pass” have you never seen a G1 toy?

It's like if Ford offered to reissue the Model T - there would be a lot of people who'd buy it as a collector's item, a piece of history made metal, but most people would say, "I have to do WHAT to start it? **** that," and buy a Prius.

I wasn't going to because I was perfectly happy with my CW Magnus, but I picked up Siege Ultra Magnus today and I am so happy that I did! What an awesome figure! He's pure joy to transform. So much cool stuff going on with the Inner Magnus and putting the trailer together is lots of fun. His look has really grown on me too. At first I thought he was too busy, too much detail. But now I think he looks great. I also like I have both "types" of Magnus. I have the all in one that has a very G1 altmode and then I have the armored up robot with a cool looking Cybertron alt mode. I am just digging the Siege line. Maybe even to the point of liking it better than Titans Return, and I LOVE Titans Return!

Randomhero wrote:The entire first year of 1984 except the minibots are partsformers. They all have parts that get removed and added on. It’s been a thing since day one. My favorite of all time will be optimus and Starscream.

Adding weapons isn't partsforming. The only 1984 partsformers are Ironhide/Ratchet (alt mode), Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Wheeljack (wings debatably), 3 Seeker Jets, Megatron (alt mode), and Optimus Prime. It's less than half if you exclude the Mini-Cars, mailaways, and Kronoforms.

Anyway, saw the entire Seige wave one at Walmart this morning except for the Micromasters.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Randomhero wrote:The only 1984 partsformers are Ironhide/Ratchet (alt mode), Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Wheeljack (wings debatably), 3 Seeker Jets, Megatron (alt mode), and Optimus Prime. It's less than half if you exclude the Mini-Cars, mailaways, and Kronoforms.

Adding weapons isn't partsforming. The only 1984 partsformers are Ironhide/Ratchet (alt mode), Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Wheeljack (wings debatably), 3 Seeker Jets, Megatron (alt mode), and Optimus Prime. It's less than half if you exclude the Mini-Cars, mailaways, and Kronoforms.

I think it's easy to forget which figures are 1984 vs 1985. I mean, 1985 gave us Hoist, Inferno, Grapple, Ramjet, Thrust, Dirge, Omega Supreme, and Devastator. Eight figures is certainly not "the entire" lineup or even "half" but it still feels like a lot.

I think what irks me more is 'now set it aside' pieces. e.g., Most of Devastator's parts can be used in the Constructicons' vehicle modes, but not in their robot modes, and the fists really can't be used in anything. Prowl, Smokescreen, and Blue Streak have cool looking shoulder launchers and rifles, but they can't be stored in or attached to them in alternate mode.

Wait G1 Prime is a partsformer? I thought partsforming meant removing parts and adding them back, nothing is removed from Optimus's alt mode when he turns into a robot.

william-james88 wrote:Wait G1 Prime is a partsformer? I thought partsforming meant removing parts and adding them back, nothing is removed from Optimus's alt mode when he turns into a robot.

It is the other way around, you have to remove and store the fists to go from bot to truck.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Wait G1 Prime is a partsformer? I thought partsforming meant removing parts and adding them back, nothing is removed from Optimus's alt mode when he turns into a robot.

It is the other way around, you have to remove and store the fists to go from bot to truck.

I know that, but i didnt think that equated to partsforming.

From how I see it, partsforming is only when the pieces you have to detach contribute to both the robot and alternate mode.

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Wait G1 Prime is a partsformer? I thought partsforming meant removing parts and adding them back, nothing is removed from Optimus's alt mode when he turns into a robot.

It is the other way around, you have to remove and store the fists to go from bot to truck.

I know that, but i didnt think that equated to partsforming.

You have to remove parts from him and leave them sitting somewhere else... that's and even more egregious crime in my mind than what cog does

Hellscream9999 wrote:You have to remove parts from him and leave them sitting somewhere else...

I always stored his fists inside his vehicle cabin...

william-james88 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Wait G1 Prime is a partsformer? I thought partsforming meant removing parts and adding them back, nothing is removed from Optimus's alt mode when he turns into a robot.

It is the other way around, you have to remove and store the fists to go from bot to truck.

I know that, but i didnt think that equated to partsforming.

I suspect partsforming may have as many variations among the fanbase as retool.

For me, I would consider it any time a figure needs to have a part removed or added in order to complete either mode. So weapons that are just stuck to the side of the vehicle would not count, but weapons formed by removing part of the vehicle like Universe Octane's really big comb weapon thing would. Adding fists for G1 prime to complete robot mode would count too. All headmasters, duocons and obviously weaponizers would count as well. I wouldn't count combiners for having to remove the individual members, but I would count any that have removable hands/feet/heads.

I'm perfectly fine with partsforming that is the purpose of the gimmick, or needed/used to complete an alt mode like the Octone example above of T30 Springers rotor/sword.

For me the only kind I don't really care for are the examples like G1 Prime where the fists are completely useless to the truck mode.

Caelus wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:You have to remove parts from him and leave them sitting somewhere else...

I always stored his fists inside his vehicle cabin...

...and hated the sound of them rattling around when I drove him.

Are any of you still stressing about not finding Shockwave at retail? Well you may have one less worry since we now know he will be repacked in wave 2. There are only 3 leaders part of the Siege line this year, with the third being E3480 Optimus Prime, a retool of Ultra Magnus. It is assumed this toy will be released in this second wave and now we know that Shockwave will be his wavemate. This could mean that Shockwave will be far more abundant than any other leader in the first half of the year. The listing for the wave 2 leader assortment was found on the Southern Hobby website with a release date of May 1st. This is much later than the rest of wave 2 is scheduled to hit, meaning that as we saw in wave 1, the Siege leaders are not meant to be released in synch with the rest of the line.

Good, because I haven’t seen Shockwave anywhere at retail here in Northern Michigan. I don’t wanna miss out.

I still have a hard time accepting that we're only getting three leaders for this whole line. It just seems so... skimpy. It's good on the ol' bank account, but I do like having a more steady stream of things to collect to keep from getting bored.

Lore Keeper wrote:I still have a hard time accepting that we're only getting three leaders for this whole line. It just seems so... skimpy. It's good on the ol' bank account, but I do like having a more steady stream of things to collect to keep from getting bored.

Think about it, we had 4 waves of Studio Series last year and only 2 leaders. And we only had 4 leaders in POTP, so 3 is in the middle.

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:I still have a hard time accepting that we're only getting three leaders for this whole line. It just seems so... skimpy. It's good on the ol' bank account, but I do like having a more steady stream of things to collect to keep from getting bored.

Think about it, we had 4 waves of Studio Series last year and only 2 leaders. And we only had 4 leaders in POTP, so 3 is in the middle.

Compared to Combiner Wars and Titans Return, it seems a bit low, but in the Prime Wars Trilogy, that Class in particular relied on co-tools (redecos, retools and the like) for padding out the assortments. Plus, like PotP with its 4 Leaders, Siege is only 1 year.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:I still have a hard time accepting that we're only getting three leaders for this whole line. It just seems so... skimpy. It's good on the ol' bank account, but I do like having a more steady stream of things to collect to keep from getting bored.

Think about it, we had 4 waves of Studio Series last year and only 2 leaders. And we only had 4 leaders in POTP, so 3 is in the middle.

Compared to Combiner Wars and Titans Return, it seems a bit low, but in the Prime Wars Trilogy, that Class in particular relied on co-tools (redecos, retools and the like) for padding out the assortments. Plus, like PotP with its 4 Leaders, Siege is only 1 year.

Thats why I didnt compare to other lines, it would not be a fair comparison. We should instead look at how many leaders come out per year in a line.

So, this may not mean anything. I really hope it doesnt. My local Meijer is rezoning their Toy Section and they left the Map of Transformers figures out for me to see.

There's not as far as I saw a provision for Leader Figures in the shelf space. Everyhring else os accounted for, but not those. Are these Leader dudes just gonna be that hard to find???

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:I still have a hard time accepting that we're only getting three leaders for this whole line. It just seems so... skimpy. It's good on the ol' bank account, but I do like having a more steady stream of things to collect to keep from getting bored.

Think about it, we had 4 waves of Studio Series last year and only 2 leaders. And we only had 4 leaders in POTP, so 3 is in the middle.

Compared to Combiner Wars and Titans Return, it seems a bit low, but in the Prime Wars Trilogy, that Class in particular relied on co-tools (redecos, retools and the like) for padding out the assortments. Plus, like PotP with its 4 Leaders, Siege is only 1 year.

Thats why I didnt compare to other lines, it would not be a fair comparison. We should instead look at how many leaders come out per year in a line.

Last I counted, we got 16 in main retail the past 4 years, and 5 exclusives. Of the main retail ones, 8 were directly based on earlier figures.

Dangit. When it said repacked I kinda hoped it meant as a voyager class minus the backpack (that I don't want) so more affordable. Would be nice to have the option.

Honestly, a small number of Leader molds is fairly average. CW and TR had a high number of Leader releases, but there was mold-use maximizing going on with redecoes (3 of the CW Leaders were Seekers and one of the others was a headswap redeco) and co-tools (heck, the CW Seeker mold is a retool/co-tool of T30 Jetfire).

RiD:
3 Leader molds. not counting the re-used Laser Optimus mold

Armada:
1 Leader mold

Energon:
2 Leader molds

Cybertron:
3 Leader molds

Movie 1:
3 Leader molds

Animated:
3 Leader molds

RotF:
3 Leader molds, 4 if you include HFTD Starscream. Probably the peak for different original Leader-class molds with Screamer factored in.

DotM:
3 Leader molds

Thrilling 30:
1 Leader mold, a first for CHUG toys.

AoE:
2 Leader molds

Combiner Wars:
2 all-new Leader molds plus one heavy retool/co-tool of the T30 Leader

Titans Return:
3 original molds (two of which had co-tools), plus one heavy retool of a Combiner wars mold

The Last Knight:
2 new Leader molds

Power of the Primes:
3 new Leader molds

WFC SIEGE:
2 new Leader molds, one of which has a heavy co-tool.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:*long list*

and Studio Series now has 4 unique Leader molds (Grimlock, Blackout, Jetfire, DotM Megatron) though is into it's second year.

Siege is only the first part of a trilogy so they dont want to jump the shark so to speak and put all the good stuff in this line and deter from the 2 lines to follow.

Dannshinigami wrote:Siege is only the first part of a trilogy so they dont want to jump the shark so to speak and put all the good stuff in this line and deter from the 2 lines to follow.

I think the second and third parts will follow suite as far as composition goes. Especially sticking with scale, we may see more Voyagers with extras to fill out three leader slots

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:*long list*

and Studio Series now has 4 unique Leader molds (Grimlock, Blackout, Jetfire, DotM Megatron) though is into it's second year.

Yeah, which puts PotP ahead of Studio Series since PotP got three new Leader molds in one year and SS is getting four Leaders in two years (maybe three years, we've only had a small preview of SS in 2020). Heck, if you look at some of the other lines in terms of how long they lasted as opposed to just how many Leaders they have PotP was a real stand out for new molds in a single year.

Emerje

Randomhero wrote:What’s with the partsforming hate? Seriously it’s been around for 35 years. When did being negative about something that’s literally nothing become a dirty word? I don’t understand people who say complain about it. especially when the gimmick of weaponizers in their line is they come apart to become modular weapons and armor.

I've got an answer for you.

While we as adult collectors can easily keep track of pieces, children can't. This is a line for kids, and I'm actually giving them to my kids. They've already lost a piece if Dog and one of Magnus's shoulder armor. I'm sure it will all be found one day, but the point remains, parts forming makes for easily lost pieces, and that makes headaches for a parent. I hate parts forming far more now than I did before kids. Then, it was just slightly annoying.