Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:50 pmAh also just remembered RotF Mind Wipe and Sky Stalker, their combination gimmick invoking dread wind and smokejumper from G2
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:50 pmRe: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:07 pmWhy is it that the coolest toys from the movie lines have often been non-screen appearance characters?
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:21 pmI have wondered this myself. Maybe because the movie esthetic was never designed to actually transform, so translating that to toy was really difficult. The ones that were solely designed as toys worked better, because they were always meant to simply be toys.NuclearConvoy wrote:Why is it that the coolest toys from the movie lines have often been non-screen appearance characters?
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:24 pmActually, my favorite part about Downshift was that he was also a reference to "The Cars" album "Heartbeat City": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_C ... t_City.jpg
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:35 pmAWESOME!NeoDarwinian wrote:Actually, my favorite part about Downshift was that he was also a reference to "The Cars" album "Heartbeat City": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_C ... t_City.jpg
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:06 pmI display mt RTS Lugnut with my CHUG Seekers.
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:07 pmCobotron wrote:AWESOME!NeoDarwinian wrote:Actually, my favorite part about Downshift was that he was also a reference to "The Cars" album "Heartbeat City": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_C ... t_City.jpg
That is amazing.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:36 pmCobotron wrote:AWESOME!NeoDarwinian wrote:Actually, my favorite part about Downshift was that he was also a reference to "The Cars" album "Heartbeat City": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_C ... t_City.jpg
Another awesome toy I never saw in person that I need to get. The Cybertron/Galaxy Force era was a really awesome time to love transformers.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:12 pmEhhh close but not quite.Nemesis Maximo wrote:prjkt wrote:Va'al wrote:I always thought Thew's explanation for Lugnut's status was great (2:08 onwards).
Makes sense.
He also shows up in the pack-in comic with Battle In Space Rodimus & Cyclonus, putting him there in the original movie timeframe... Oh and there's a cameo appearance in one of the prequel comic series, Monstrosity I think, also based on this design.
So yeah, officially retconned as the G1 Lugnut we never actually saw...
Kinda like Alpha Bravo!
Alpha Bravo is an entirely new character that's been created by Hasbro, and inserted into the current comic storyline with no backstory, no history, nothing to suggest he was "there, just behind the tree/hill" they way "G1" Lugnut has been portrayed.
Plus Lugnut is a very popular character from another continuity, so his toy release was based purely on his animated popularity, and added into fiction later on, rather than as a decision by Hasbro to break up the jet monotony that is the Aerialbots and set the stage for later Helicopter combiners in the way Alpha Bravo's inception came around.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:31 pmThere IS a previous G1 Crosscut figure; it was released as an eHobby exclusive, yes, but he IS a canonical G1 character...the first new one since the 90s, in fact, alongside Road Rage.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:47 pmHeckfire wrote:There IS a previous G1 Crosscut figure; it was released as an eHobby exclusive, yes, but he IS a canonical G1 character...the first new one since the 90s, in fact, alongside Road Rage.
Did you read the article? It was pointed out.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:05 pmprjkt wrote:Ehhh close but not quite.Nemesis Maximo wrote:prjkt wrote:Va'al wrote:I always thought Thew's explanation for Lugnut's status was great (2:08 onwards).
Makes sense.
He also shows up in the pack-in comic with Battle In Space Rodimus & Cyclonus, putting him there in the original movie timeframe... Oh and there's a cameo appearance in one of the prequel comic series, Monstrosity I think, also based on this design.
So yeah, officially retconned as the G1 Lugnut we never actually saw...
Kinda like Alpha Bravo!
Alpha Bravo is an entirely new character that's been created by Hasbro, and inserted into the current comic storyline with no backstory, no history, nothing to suggest he was "there, just behind the tree/hill" they way "G1" Lugnut has been portrayed.
Plus Lugnut is a very popular character from another continuity, so his toy release was based purely on his animated popularity, and added into fiction later on, rather than as a decision by Hasbro to break up the jet monotony that is the Aerialbots and set the stage for later Helicopter combiners in the way Alpha Bravo's inception came around.
Yes, I know Alpha Bravo is a new character, that's why I said "Kinda". I was referring to this notion of "Alpha Bravo Saves G1", where people have been photoshopping him into screenshots of the G1 cartoon. I just wanted brownie points from Va'al.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:54 amprjkt wrote:
Alpha Bravo is an entirely new character that's been created by Hasbro, and inserted into the current comic storyline with no backstory, no history, nothing to suggest he was "there, just behind the tree/hill" they way "G1" Lugnut has been portrayed.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:36 amVa'al wrote:prjkt wrote:
Alpha Bravo is an entirely new character that's been created by Hasbro, and inserted into the current comic storyline with no backstory, no history, nothing to suggest he was "there, just behind the tree/hill" they way "G1" Lugnut has been portrayed.
I'm living a lie.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:52 amnoctorro wrote:Va'al wrote:prjkt wrote:
Alpha Bravo is an entirely new character that's been created by Hasbro, and inserted into the current comic storyline with no backstory, no history, nothing to suggest he was "there, just behind the tree/hill" they way "G1" Lugnut has been portrayed.
I'm living a lie.
nice work, almost looks like it was actually part of the frame, almost
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:56 amgrimdragon2001 wrote:noctorro wrote:Va'al wrote:prjkt wrote:
Alpha Bravo is an entirely new character that's been created by Hasbro, and inserted into the current comic storyline with no backstory, no history, nothing to suggest he was "there, just behind the tree/hill" they way "G1" Lugnut has been portrayed.
I'm living a lie.
nice work, almost looks like it was actually part of the frame, almost
Source is here: alpha-bravo-friend-or-foe--t103319s75.php#p1662118
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:50 pmFirstly, you have the fact that he is white, which calls back to the fact that the original Galvatron toy was made white instead of his show accurate purple.
Neither of those toys is white, rather light gray. Also, I think it's more properly said that the show was not toy accurate!
Also, Downshift wasn't called Wheeljack because they done goofed and already named another character Wheeljack in the A/E/C continuity. *EDIT* I see that was already mentioned, whoops.
One kind of homage I liked was Skyblast, who brought to mind the cartoon model for Skyfire.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:15 pmOptimum Supreme wrote:One kind of homage I liked was Skyblast, who brought to mind the cartoon model for Skyfire.
I was thinking the same thing! And I love Skyblast, fun, beautiful, and awesome little figure.
A while back, we talked (just a little) about figures that could be used as pre-Beast Mode figures.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=92994&hilit=+beast+wars
This was cool:
STINGRAY749 wrote:Well we know that the dotm Darksteel was supposed to be a homage to Beast Wars Quickstrike. Well I think his wave mate, Airraid, was also supposed to be a homage to this guy
See what I mean. Even were the kibble goes is close. Shark head on Cybershaarks ass. plane cockpit on Airraids ass. Cybersharks fins could moved the way you wanted. Same goes to Airraids wings. Only thing off are the colors.
http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/f ... id-072.jpg
Additionally I thought that Beast Wars Sky Shadow had a few similarities to DOTM Air Raid.
Here are a few more:
Beast Hunters Ratchet is an homage to Dinobot.
Beast Hunters Shockwave – Beast Wars Rampage
Wait, I think that someone made a whole list of the Beast Hunters homages. Wait, now, I am just listing the ones that I can think of, not my top list. I do love the Skyblast homage and find the Darksteel and Air Raid ones to be very cool and interesting.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:27 pmHaven't really been a fan of many of the Beast Wars homages in recent years, but I do rather like the Sky Shadow-esque green DotM Powerglide:
One day I'm going to have to slap some Con symbols on him
Coincidentally there was another A-10 called Sky Shadow... which makes you wonder why they missed the double homage and kept him Powerglide.
And personally I'd call the little touches "best homages", as opposed to 'just' a general update. Stuff like the above's nose art, RtS Lugnut's Punch Of Kill Everything, or *glances at news stories to the side* Minimus Ambus being included with Ultra Magnus.
One day I'm going to have to slap some Con symbols on him
Coincidentally there was another A-10 called Sky Shadow... which makes you wonder why they missed the double homage and kept him Powerglide.
And personally I'd call the little touches "best homages", as opposed to 'just' a general update. Stuff like the above's nose art, RtS Lugnut's Punch Of Kill Everything, or *glances at news stories to the side* Minimus Ambus being included with Ultra Magnus.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:06 pmCobotron wrote:Great article WJ88.
Lugnut is reeking havoc with the rest of his Decepticon brothers on my Classics/Gen shelf.
This seems like a good venue to through out this idea. We all know that Transformers were born from the evolution of transforming robot toys that came from Takara's Microman toy line. Maybe I am just seeing what I want to see, but the similarities are uncanny. What if Optimus Prime himself is an homage?
That of course is MP-01 standing next to Microman, Robotman. You'll notice Robotman has a Microman figure piloting him. If you take the notion that Diaclone Convoy came with a pilot that could ride in his chest, the similarities in color scheme, and really just some of the shapes in the two figures over all designs, I think this argument could have a little traction.
Photo courtesy of the Micro Heritage section of http://www.microforever.com
Reminds me a lot of the character model for Orion Pax from the War Dawn episode actually.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:04 pmhomicide wrote:Reminds me a lot of the character model for Orion Pax from the War Dawn episode actually.
Looks at least as much like Orion as any of the official toys of him have.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 12:12 pmWhat about G1 Treadshot who homages the 357 Magnum Robo (possibly)?
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Treadshot_%28G1%29
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Treadshot_%28G1%29
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 12:17 pmRiddlerJ wrote:What about G1 Treadshot who homages the 357 Magnum Robo (possibly)?
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Treadshot_%28G1%29
Thats cool, but this was about homages to other TF toys and characters. Keeping it within brand for the list. But this gives me ideas for another list
Like G1 Megatron homaging The Man From U.N.C.L.E.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:04 amCobotron wrote:Great article WJ88.
Lugnut is reeking havoc with the rest of his Decepticon brothers on my Classics/Gen shelf.
This seems like a good venue to through out this idea. We all know that Transformers were born from the evolution of transforming robot toys that came from Takara's Microman toy line. Maybe I am just seeing what I want to see, but the similarities are uncanny. What if Optimus Prime himself is an homage?
That of course is MP-01 standing next to Microman, Robotman. You'll notice Robotman has a Microman figure piloting him. If you take the notion that Diaclone Convoy came with a pilot that could ride in his chest, the similarities in color scheme, and really just some of the shapes in the two figures over all designs, I think this argument could have a little traction.
Photo courtesy of the Micro Heritage section of http://www.microforever.com
Holy crap!
I didn't know this guy existed! Man, that IS an hommage. Or a strange coincidence.
Re: Top 5 Best Homages and Callbacks in Transformers Toys
Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 10:42 amI don't have a great deal to contribute because simply put, this list is great, but I have a few.
Botcon Chromia for Moonracer. Yes I am aware the mold was originally supposed to be Moonracer but they couldn't get the license to the name. Still a good update, and were it not for A: the hideous price of Con exclusives on the aftermarket, and B: the Energon Arcee mold's useless elbows, I'd track her down.
In the same category as Lugnut, I'd say ROTF Lockdown is a superb homage to the Animated character, and a great figure in its own right to boot (especially as, unlike Lugnut, the original Animated toy AFAIK is itself a good figure). A shame AoE Lockdown's sole collector-friendly toy was so awful, as his on-screen self was pretty badass.
As Tsu mentioned (way, WAY) earlier, the Dreadwing/Mirage mold from the Energon line is something of a homage (barely) to Scourge. Sort of. Maybe. OK, I'm just a sucker for boatformers and robots with hip-kibble.
Speaking of Energon, Insecticon makes a pretty neat Barrage for the cash-strapped collector. His brickishness kinda sucks but he is a lot of fun and cute as a button.
Cybertron Dark Scorponok is basically Black Zarak, and by god I love it. Shame mine is literally falling apart, with his ratchets giving up the ghost and some of his black plastic beginning to crack (oddly enough his gold plastic parts are as good as they were when I got him back in '06).
As for non-Transformers homages, Animated Safeguard is a pretty obvious love letter to GaoGaiGar's Symmetrical Docking combiners (note to self, watch GaoGaiGar) whilst Prime Soundwave looks frighteningly similar to an Evangelion (which makes the already sinister Soundwave even more terrifying). On a less disturbing note, Animated Soundwave has glasses that somewhat resemble Kamina's (albeit unintentionally according to the creators).
And of course, who could forget AoE Hound, AKA The Big Lebowski's Walter?
Botcon Chromia for Moonracer. Yes I am aware the mold was originally supposed to be Moonracer but they couldn't get the license to the name. Still a good update, and were it not for A: the hideous price of Con exclusives on the aftermarket, and B: the Energon Arcee mold's useless elbows, I'd track her down.
In the same category as Lugnut, I'd say ROTF Lockdown is a superb homage to the Animated character, and a great figure in its own right to boot (especially as, unlike Lugnut, the original Animated toy AFAIK is itself a good figure). A shame AoE Lockdown's sole collector-friendly toy was so awful, as his on-screen self was pretty badass.
As Tsu mentioned (way, WAY) earlier, the Dreadwing/Mirage mold from the Energon line is something of a homage (barely) to Scourge. Sort of. Maybe. OK, I'm just a sucker for boatformers and robots with hip-kibble.
Speaking of Energon, Insecticon makes a pretty neat Barrage for the cash-strapped collector. His brickishness kinda sucks but he is a lot of fun and cute as a button.
Cybertron Dark Scorponok is basically Black Zarak, and by god I love it. Shame mine is literally falling apart, with his ratchets giving up the ghost and some of his black plastic beginning to crack (oddly enough his gold plastic parts are as good as they were when I got him back in '06).
As for non-Transformers homages, Animated Safeguard is a pretty obvious love letter to GaoGaiGar's Symmetrical Docking combiners (note to self, watch GaoGaiGar) whilst Prime Soundwave looks frighteningly similar to an Evangelion (which makes the already sinister Soundwave even more terrifying). On a less disturbing note, Animated Soundwave has glasses that somewhat resemble Kamina's (albeit unintentionally according to the creators).
And of course, who could forget AoE Hound, AKA The Big Lebowski's Walter?