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Been Noticing

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:30 am
by Scratimus_Prime
The game I noticed is rather biest. As in Decpticon rule

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:32 am
by Vampir
It's time to change that then :P

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:32 am
by Tammuz
what makes you think that?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:36 am
by Absolute Zero
Vampir wrote:It's time to change that then :P


What makes you think you can?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:00 am
by Scratimus_Prime
I been using my autobots in the arena againist many different Decepticons at my level and some obviously weaker then me and about 9 out of 10 times I lose. I do know theres obiviously more decepticons then autobots on HMW but the fact is that the game tends to favor decepticons.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:04 am
by Tammuz
er no. by looking at the high score summary section you can see that the only levels where there are more bots than cons are levels 6, 8, & 10. overall there are nearl 2000 more bots than cons in this game.

i'll wager your bots are just setup poorly for arena combat, or just setup poorly in general.

EDIT: and i'm right

Snoops on SP's team; most have just made the jump to level 1, yes? that's part of it, you'll always gett a kicking at the bottom of a level, best to avoid the arena and find some missions where your guy is the highest level and prey upon the levels below you.

right only 4 of your team have decent weapons and only one of those 4 has a decent setup. Ocean vester has a DBPSS which is good, but the extrea point of FP is doing nothing, better spent elswhere like on speed courage or strength, or avoid. while the xray is a good weapon, with 4 str delta wraith and thundercast would both be better off using their fists, Terrastorm's setup and weapon are decent, as is rail blaster. the rest have weapons that aren't worth jack. there isn't a single weapon in the game worth having four skill so there's no need to have it that high, unless your building a strafer tank, which i advise against at level one

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:29 am
by Burn
Tammuz wrote:i'll wager your bots are just setup poorly for arena combat, or just setup poorly in general.


Or as us un-politcally correct folk like to say. You suck! :grin:

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:36 am
by Vampir
Dreadwind wrote:
Vampir wrote:It's time to change that then :P

What makes you think you can?

Nothing makes me do anything ;)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:38 am
by steve2275
Burn wrote:
Tammuz wrote:i'll wager your bots are just setup poorly for arena combat, or just setup poorly in general.


Or as us un-politcally correct folk like to say. You suck! :grin:
ya

Re: Been Noticing

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:42 am
by Super Megatron
Scratimus_Prime wrote:The game I noticed is rather biest. As in Decpticon rule


If Autobots win, would you complain? Then again, the argument would be the same.

But that's the trouble - we don't know unless we can look at the algorithm that runs the game and better still, understand it. Until then, you have no conclusive proof that this game is biased.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:52 am
by steve2275
cyrrus (and othe pure avoiders)dont NEED any kind of weapon
just courage speed and str
same with rammers(graveraider) nice name
nor would i reccommend not healing after each outting(blaze driver)

Re: Been Noticing

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:03 am
by Burn
Super Megatron wrote:Until then, you have no conclusive proof that this game is biased.


Yeah! Just because the game programmer is an Autobot Commander doesn't mean anything! :WHISTLE:

Re: Been Noticing

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:30 am
by Scratimus_Prime
Super Megatron wrote:
Scratimus_Prime wrote:The game I noticed is rather biest. As in Decpticon rule


If Autobots win, would you complain? Then again, the argument would be the same.

But that's the trouble - we don't know unless we can look at the algorithm that runs the game and better still, understand it. Until then, you have no conclusive proof that this game is biased.
If it where the other way around yes. I just believe in random not biestness

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:22 am
by Supercollider
Scratimus, you need to level about half your team back down to level 0 as you are going to run out of energon (I only see 1.8k left)

Follow Tammuz's advice on some bots but reset at least half back to level 0 to genetate energon and there's also some more help available one the Quick Start Advice Thread and I've just added some advise about when to level up in there as well.

As a fellow level one autobot I can honestly there is no bias towards either faction, yes in cross level missions the cons are very efficient at ensuring they have high level backup but if you have a good setup you can exploit that.

Anyway as high level 0s your team will own the arena, But as very low level 1s you'll be lucky to get an attack in before you get stasis locked.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:33 am
by Tammuz
Supercollider wrote:Scratimus, you need to level about half your team back down to level 0 as you are going to run out of energon (I only see 1.8k left)

Follow Tammuz's advice on some bots but reset at least half back to level 0 to genetate energon and there's also some more help available one the Quick Start Advice Thread and I've just added some advise about when to level up in there as well.

As a fellow level one autobot I can honestly there is no bias towards either faction, yes in cross level missions the cons are very efficient at ensuring they have high level backup but if you have a good setup you can exploit that.

Anyway as high level 0s your team will own the arena, But as very low level 1s you'll be lucky to get an attack in before you get stasis locked.


prey on the weak, avoid the strong, would make a good motto.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:42 am
by DISCHARGE
biestness -not me.



I'm just curious. What is this word?
Are you trying to say bias? As in favoring one side more than the other?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:44 am
by Chaoslock
Tammuz wrote:prey on the weak, avoid the strong, would make a good motto.


Isn't that the general autobot motto? :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:46 am
by Psychout
Burn wrote:
Tammuz wrote:i'll wager your bots are just setup poorly for arena combat, or just setup poorly in general.


Or as us un-politcally correct folk like to say. You suck! :grin:

Yep, i think that just about covers everything i was going to say.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:46 am
by Supercollider
Tammuz wrote:
Supercollider wrote:Scratimus, you need to level about half your team back down to level 0 as you are going to run out of energon (I only see 1.8k left)

Follow Tammuz's advice on some bots but reset at least half back to level 0 to genetate energon and there's also some more help available one the Quick Start Advice Thread and I've just added some advise about when to level up in there as well.

As a fellow level one autobot I can honestly there is no bias towards either faction, yes in cross level missions the cons are very efficient at ensuring they have high level backup but if you have a good setup you can exploit that.

Anyway as high level 0s your team will own the arena, But as very low level 1s you'll be lucky to get an attack in before you get stasis locked.


prey on the weak, avoid the strong, would make a good motto.

True but maybe not for all your bots. A team of 6 lvl 0 bullies will pay energon for 6 suicidal lvl 1 weaklings then when you've got the energon to survive you can turn the lvl 0 bullies into lvl 1 lightweights.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:59 am
by Burn
Level bullies? :???: They don't exist.
Especially at level 0.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:06 am
by Psychout
Burn wrote:Level bullies? :???: They don't exist.
Especially at level 0.

Think in comparative terms. A level 0 with 4 str or 2 speed and a DOL will utterly own a brand new level 0, arena or mission.

Factoring those into a team strategy so you can still beat them is an important part of the lower levels.

They arent level bullies in the classical sense as they, as you said, dont exist.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:25 am
by Burn
I fail to see how a bot regardless of whether it has 0 upgrades or 4 upgrades will be able to really dominate another bot.

After all, at level 0 it pretty much is all random with that stats having a very minor influence.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:31 am
by Chaoslock
They are not "real" "bullies": but having a Dol (IF anybody at level 0 has) against a sword makes a great advantage. +25 percent winning chance, at least. But at level 0, the best thing to do is go for avoid.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:32 am
by Psychout
Burn wrote:I fail to see how a bot regardless of whether it has 0 upgrades or 4 upgrades will be able to really dominate another bot.

After all, at level 0 it pretty much is all random with that stats having a very minor influence.

It makes a difference to a level 0-1 commander such as Supoercollider who made the statement.

Re: Been Noticing

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:27 am
by RobotInDisguise
Scratimus_Prime wrote:The game I noticed is rather biest. As in Decpticon rule


But you're a good source of income for us Cons, especially ones like my seven or so lvl 1s.