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Aimless Misfire wrote:Why do they have to push "FEMALE" on everything these days? As if women are something new & never existed before now. We're here with FEMALE mechanics & I love writing FEMALE characters & it's about time Transformers had a FEMALE lead. WTF? Ok, feminists & SJW's, we get it, women can do stuff. Newsflash: NOBODY CARES! Now please stop shoving it in our face. Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES. Now piss off & go back to where you belong & make a Strawberry Shortcake or Rainbow Brite movie for FEMALES. Jeez, enough is enough.


Why is nobody bitching about this? All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel but Bumblebee gets a free pass? Why is nobody talking about women pushing their BS here? Who cares if a male or female is a mechanic? Seriously! It doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vagina to fix cars. This world is getting more ridiculous & insane by the hour.

I know we should ignore and move on, but this really, really bothers me. Why? Because not to terribly long ago, it would have been me. Sometimes looking in a mirror, even if the objects aren't as close as they appear, can really suck. Having kids changed me, and my outlooks, quite a bit, and I struggle every day to make sure I'm showing them a proper example of how to human. I fail quite a bit, but I still keep trying. The quoted post? A perfect example of how to damage your kids with toxic attitudes.

Amusing enough vid. I think I've only seen the one for ROTF before, so I guess I should take in the rest soon.

So Paramount sponsoring this makes its, um, "officialness" about equal to that of the Mosaics Hasbro approved? That's the only comparable example that springs to mind.

What's Crackin'? wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Why do they have to push "FEMALE" on everything these days? As if women are something new & never existed before now. We're here with FEMALE mechanics & I love writing FEMALE characters & it's about time Transformers had a FEMALE lead. WTF? Ok, feminists & SJW's, we get it, women can do stuff. Newsflash: NOBODY CARES! Now please stop shoving it in our face. Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES. Now piss off & go back to where you belong & make a Strawberry Shortcake or Rainbow Brite movie for FEMALES. Jeez, enough is enough.


Why is nobody bitching about this? All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel but Bumblebee gets a free pass? Why is nobody talking about women pushing their BS here? Who cares if a male or female is a mechanic? Seriously! It doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vagina to fix cars. This world is getting more ridiculous & insane by the hour.

Hailee Steinfeld wasn't signed on for the role just because she was a female,they made her the main character because of her performance in the movie Just Past 17. That was a coming of age story, and so is Bumblebee so they saw her as a perfect fit. Also, I guess Paramount may have decided to make a Strong Female lead, after the previous movies treated women like sex objects.I mean in the first one the objectification of women wasn't super bad but in subsequent movies, especially RoTF yeeaahh... Anyway I think it was a good choice.

It's actually called The Edge of Seventeen. Great movie. Outstanding acting from Hailee Steinfeld.

HISHD Is a HEE-UUUGE parody channel with millions of subs. Plus the parody come out only when the DVD/BD is out or about to. So no sane studios would be against all that free promotion.

Plus those skits are on point 99% of the time and are pretty funny.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Dat rant

I know we should ignore and move on, but this really, really bothers me. Why? Because not to terribly long ago, it would have been me. Sometimes looking in a mirror, even if the objects aren't as close as they appear, can really suck. Having kids changed me, and my outlooks, quite a bit, and I struggle every day to make sure I'm showing them a proper example of how to human. I fail quite a bit, but I still keep trying. The quoted post? A perfect example of how to damage your kids with toxic attitudes.

I agree with Aimless about there is no need to put the "wow a female lead" in the forefront as if it's something incredible. But really not for the same reasons at all, despite hating SJWs myself. Because a female hero is certainly not a new thing and making this as something "unique" and "extraordinary" is ironically demeaning and condescending to girls and women.

Charlie Watson is also the best main human character in the movieverse. I'd take 10 of her over one Sam Witwiky any days. We see Charlie actually grow and become better as a person in the movie and it show how well her character is written.

Aimless Misfire wrote:rant

Because, believe me, I was skeptical with Transformers casting a female (human) lesd after five movies of Michal 'TESTOSTERONE AND EXPLOSIONS' Bay. This is coming from a guy who will probably get flak here for thinking Rey is a personality-less pile of wet cardboard and that Ghostbuster 2016 is an abomination. Bumblebee was a movie I was extremely skeptical of for many, many reasons beyond just the lead such as being a comparatively low-key production, coming out after the disastrous TLK or being a movie about the serie mascot that seemingly nobody but kids like.

While I get that its advantageous for Hollywood's more intense ideologues to go 'Hah see, the one good Transformers movie had a WOMAN as one of the lead' the reality is, if they choose to focus purely on this going forward for the next movie they will utterly fail and end up with a massive flop. Bumblebee worked because Charlie had an actual character and in today's era its rather shocking to me how surprisingly little of unwanted political bullshit it had. It was a good enough movie and Charlie was a good enough, likeable character who wasn't the kind of character people have come to loathe.

But if going forward the marketting and movie writers actively go and push LOOK WE GOT A FEMALE LEAD AND ELITA-1 IS REPLACING OPTIMUS AND MEGATRON HAS VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP or some moronic bullshit like this which end up with fans being attacked like fans of Star Wars got attacked when they pointed out how Rian Johnson and the creative team **** up the franchise? Yeah, it will fail.

So, tl;dr: Charlie was fine and she worked because she was written as an actual character in a Transformers movie. Bumblebee won fans over because it finally understood the source material and it finally had an actual heart to the story not because we had a girl instead of a spasming Shia Lebeouf or Mark Whalberg. Any future marketing trying to pretend the movie did good because of a female lead would be disingenuous agenda bullshit from Hollywood and would only harm their numbers in the long run because that wasn't the element that improved Bumblebee over all previous movies.

Is that a fair way to put it?

A perfectly fair way to put it. That's also why I refuse to pay money to go see Captain Marvel in theatre. The movie itself is just average and it would have been okay to see in theater. But Disney and Brie Larson made SURE to make the worst marketing campaing ever and push away the average joe who is fed up with identity politic bull.

"Get woke go broke" is now more relevant than ever. Bee movie NEVER used the "woke" angle in their marketing and the female MC was not a marie-sue nor a "man in a girl body". Thus, the movie's great succes and fans clamoring for more.

I love this pic. To everyone thinking nothing good TF related could come from Bay, well this is from the Bumblebee credits:



And are people still thinking a Transformers film that is literally a Bay Film is not part of Bayverse?

william-james88 wrote:And are people still thinking a Transformers film that is literally a Bay Film is not part of Bayverse?

Well, there's still a "soft reboot" vibe to the Bee movie simply because for once, it was a REAL movie. Not a chain of tits-farts-explosion followed by where-the-hell-is-this-story-going.

There's also the cybertronian designs that is 90% classic instead of metal-shards-tornadoes. No wonder even though it is officially a Bayverse movie, Bee feel like it's own separate Universe.
It's a headcanon that most people (I think) agree with.

Bay was involved but its clear his influences was minimal. I'd be tempted to also mention that Orci and Kurzman are gone would also be a good indicator that something change but they were involved with Prime which was good so clearly a sizable portion of the problem must be with Bay himself.

But who knows for sure what influence he TRULY had on the first five movies?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, there's still a "soft reboot" vibe to the Bee movie simply because for once, it was a REAL movie. Not a chain of tits-farts-explosion followed by where-the-hell-is-this-story-going.

Any time someone uses the word "real" to describe something, they invalidate their point.

A movie is a movie, a fan is a fan, blah blah blah. There's no varying levels.

Skritz wrote:Bay was involved but its clear his influences was minimal. I'd be tempted to also mention that Orci and Kurzman are gone would also be a good indicator that something change but they were involved with Prime which was good so clearly a sizable portion of the problem must be with Bay himself.

But who knows for sure what influence he TRULY had on the first five movies?

Bay's involvement was more in terms of helping with assets and helping get the movie made. Nothing creative.
And Orci and Kurtzman havent been around for 4 movies now, I think.

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Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, there's still a "soft reboot" vibe to the Bee movie simply because for once, it was a REAL movie. Not a chain of tits-farts-explosion followed by where-the-hell-is-this-story-going.

Any time someone uses the word "real" to describe something, they invalidate their point.

A movie is a movie, a fan is a fan, blah blah blah. There's no varying levels.

Well, I should have said "real".

We have a nice interview for you from Travis Knight, the director of Bumblebee, where he explains why Bumblebee and Charlie had to part ways at the end. He reinforces the stand alone nature of his Bumblebee movie.
The interview comes from Comicbook.com (who once again misses the mark with its headline, a trend with Transformers news).

“[The movie] had a beginning, it had a middle and an end and it had proper resolution. And so as I was charting the relationship between these two character there was no other way for it to end. It had to end with them parting.

It’s about one of those relationships, one of those life changing relationships that where someone comes into your orbit and fundamentally changes your trajectory moving forward. And it was, he has his mission to do and he has to go do it and she has her life and she has to live and she has to go live it. And they change each others lives, but then they had to part and that was the story that I was telling.

And so even though I love seeing them together, and I was sad when they had to part as well. It was critical for what this movie was.”

“I’m sure a creative mind could come up with a way to bring them back together, but it was always incredibly important to me that this film, even though it sits within a larger context of mythology and comics and cartoons and films, that this film be self contained that it lives on its own.”

Simple answer. "We still wanted it to end like a prequel just in case."

omega666 wrote:Simple answer. "We still wanted it to end like a prequel just in case."

I mean, I am sure that was a factor, but I was saying the same thing the Director did when this came out. Them splitting up was just a natural fit to the morale of thr story. Charlie's whole arc was built on her not getting closure with her Dad's passing. Bee gave her a way to bridge that so she could move on.

Meh, pretty blah explanation. I don't think they really had a plan so they made it a stand alone for merchandising.

Man, who cares if the lead is a chick or dude? I just want to enjoy the flick. So long as it ain't bein' preachy an stuff. Bee is a good movie and I liked it a lot. Now you wanna talk about "strong female leads"... that evil femmebot in the movie.. man, she was vicious and cunning. I de only one that sees dat?

At the dude rantin' about Rainbow Brite... hey, ever heard of a Brony? Yeah ya have, it's the internet. If ya think chicks never played with 'Formers either... bhaha, man you don't know much. I know a chick growin' up that loved playin' Wolfenstein and Doom on the computer, and she weren't no tomboy either. She had a YUGE Barbie collection, girly sheets, and totally fell for a big masculine guy.

Peeps gonna like what they like. Dey just more open 'bout it now 'cause guys don't gotta worry 'bout bein' called a sissy so much no more. I like ponies and I like 'Formers. I drive a fast car and eat spicy foods. I cuddle kitties. I shoot gunz. Am I a sissy for any of dat? Am I a macho man? I really don't care!

Just chillax and enjoy the flicks, man.

EunuchRon wrote:Man, who cares if the lead is a chick or dude? I just want to enjoy the flick. So long as it ain't bein' preachy an stuff. Bee is a good movie and I liked it a lot. Now you wanna talk about "strong female leads"... that evil femmebot in the movie.. man, she was vicious and cunning. I de only one that sees dat?

At the dude rantin' about Rainbow Brite... hey, ever heard of a Brony? Yeah ya have, it's the internet. If ya think chicks never played with 'Formers either... bhaha, man you don't know much. I know a chick growin' up that loved playin' Wolfenstein and Doom on the computer, and she weren't no tomboy either. She had a YUGE Barbie collection, girly sheets, and totally fell for a big masculine guy.

Peeps gonna like what they like. Dey just more open 'bout it now 'cause guys don't gotta worry 'bout bein' called a sissy so much no more. I like ponies and I like 'Formers. I drive a fast car and eat spicy foods. I cuddle kitties. I shoot gunz. Am I a sissy for any of dat? Am I a macho man? I really don't care!

Just chillax and enjoy the flicks, man.

You basically summed up my thoughts on this whole thing, down to both Shatter and Bronies

EunuchRon wrote:Bee is a good movie and I liked it a lot. Now you wanna talk about "strong female leads"... that evil femmebot in the movie.. man, she was vicious and cunning. I de only one that sees dat?

Shatter is my favorite Decepticon, and was worth going through the movie frame by frame to get some awesome screen captures for backgrounds.

Flashwave wrote:

omega666 wrote:Simple answer. "We still wanted it to end like a prequel just in case."

I mean, I am sure that was a factor, but I was saying the same thing the Director did when this came out. Them splitting up was just a natural fit to the morale of thr story. Charlie's whole arc was built on her not getting closure with her Dad's passing. Bee gave her a way to bridge that so she could move on.

exactly

Now that the Bumblebee movie has hit home Director Travis Knight continues making the interview rounds. This time he spoke with MovieFone about some very specific topics.

On the topic of the cutting room floor:

We had this scene early on in the script. It was a “Sorcerer's Apprentice”-type moment where Bumblebee transfers his energon on to some of these appliances is in the house. We boarded it out and it was a lot of fun and but we never got it to work as a finished thing. It's one of those things where you share a work-in-progress with the world and you don't really want them to see it because I'm not done. But we did a fair amount of work on that sequence and in the end for a variety of reasons, for both tone and for pacing. While on its own, it was going to be a ton of fun, it just didn't propel the movie forward. It stopped the movie in his tracks for essentially this fun little moment and really wasn’t about our characters or their or their experiences, their growth or their relationship really.

On continuity:

Continuity is very important to me, as is being consistent. And so I did take a good hard look at the films that had been done in the past. And as we were thinking about this movie, I still wanted to move to be self-contained. I didn't presuppose any familiarity with the films or the franchise. I wanted someone who wouldn’t know anything about the Transformers to be able to sit in the theater to watch this movie and have a good time and enjoy the movie, not knowing anything about the transformers. But that said, it was important to me that if we were living within this universe and this mythology that it be consistent. At some point we realized that we were essentially boxing ourselves into a corner -- that we were, we were making choices that weren't really in the best interest of the film if we were trying to kind of sit within the overall mythology of the franchise.

Once I talked through some of these things with the producers and with the folks at Paramount, at some point we made the decision that this was the story that we're telling and we have to talk the best where we can. And if that means that we essentially are restarting the franchise and that means we’re rebooting these characters and they were taking aspects of the franchise and putting a different prism on it, then that's what we had to do. And ultimately it was a liberating choice because then we weren’t cornered into these decisions based on what had come before. We could tell our own story. And that that was the aspect of that.

On turning people into goo:

[laughs] Well, we wanted to showcase how much of a threat that our baddies and that if Charlie or Bumblebee some face-to -ace with these antagonists, they are in very big trouble. We wanted to show right away that these characters are a real threat. However in keeping with like you said, some kind of Joe Dante, family, Amblin-y vibe, you try not to be grotesque. We still wanted this to be a family movie. And so even though what the Decepticons do to people is horrific, there's still a comedic element to it. It’s still kind of fun, even though it's gross and awful. You can watch it and give you a little bit of a smile on the corner of your mouth. But that was the idea -- it wasn't horrific and grotesque, that that it was communicated what we want to but, in a family-friendly way. I will say that when we shot that stuff practically, people would get it all over their shoes. It was disgusting.

The full interview can be read at the link above and you can discuss it in the Energon Pub forums below!

To sum up Travis Knights interview in a nutshell...
“We wanted to keep the film in the same universe as the previous films, but I wanted to everything to be like my childhood only and have everything G1, because I hate change and everything has to be exactly as it was in the 80’s.
When paramount told me “FINE, JUST GET OUT’VE MY SIGHT PLEASE!!” You wouldn’t know how Liberating it was to make everything G1 and still call it a prequel to piss everyone off LoL.”
(Bit long, but thought I’d make my first post big)

Oh yeah...my name’s Ryan.
-I’m just a casual, mostly chill Aussie doing Tradework and lovin robots.
-that being said, I may Make the occasional long read...oops
-I actually don’t hate G1 (despite how this post comes across ).
-I like the first 3 movies
- Prime and Animated are Good stuff.
- I appreciate when continuity’s try to be interesting.
- hope I can fit in nice and easy.
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