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Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

I think that's the part that stings the most, that this writer's room was touted for so long to be a turning point for the storytelling aspect and writing, but all they did was force random things they read about (headmasters, duocons, quintessa, time travel, the true nature of earth...) and cram them into this movie without doing anything beyond that to make it any good

I kinda just jumped to a random page to see what the conversation still was, and I saw this, and I have to admit that I've found myself wondering about the writer's room as well. It's just another installment of "We're going really make the next movie work, guys" that went nowhere. If it took a room of people to come up with the writing for TLK, I'd like to know what happened to the work they produced, because this movie was the same random jumble that the previous four were.
I'm not here to be argumentative or anything, but there's no way it took several competent writers to turn out TLK. And, if it did somehow, I'd hope those writers were relieved of their duties, as they clearly failed in their objectives.

partholon wrote:much as i dislike bays take on the transformers (ive only really copped now that what he's basically done is give us five movies where grimlock is leading the autobots instead of prime. think bout it. the dialogue makes perfect sense if you substitute one character for the other )

i AM glad its doing so well at the cinema.

mainly because IMO its the best film since the first and im disgusted at the pile on by so called "professional critics" who've been flaming it from day one.

its obvious to everyone they were more intrested in trying to kill this franchise than do their job.

I know this is a well wornout argument, but they aren't not "professional" critics because they don't like a movie that other people do. And, there have been four prior entries in the franchise; how much more would they have to see before they could feel they've made up their minds in terms of how they view the newest movie? Nothing really changes from movie to movie, so it's not exactly like watching each new chapter is a completely fresh experience.

I get it from the fan perspective: the critics don't know anything because they disagree with me. But that doesn't really hold any water.

I've got a sneaking suspicion the "writer's room" was simply hyperbole and giving heavier focus to something that most movies have. Making something basic sound like it's something unique and new to make it sound like they're fixing a lot of the plot and character related problems a lot of people had with the movies.

Course, I've no idea if that's actually true; but considering what a lot of people are saying about TLK's plot - not just that it's a random jumble but it still is basically the same movie as the last lot - I don't think I'm terribly far off. That the talk of a writer's room wasn't a lie, just a wild exaggeration.

Dagon wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

I think that's the part that stings the most, that this writer's room was touted for so long to be a turning point for the storytelling aspect and writing, but all they did was force random things they read about (headmasters, duocons, quintessa, time travel, the true nature of earth...) and cram them into this movie without doing anything beyond that to make it any good

I kinda just jumped to a random page to see what the conversation still was, and I saw this, and I have to admit that I've found myself wondering about the writer's room as well. It's just another installment of "We're going really make the next movie work, guys" that went nowhere. If it took a room of people to come up with the writing for TLK, I'd like to know what happened to the work they produced, because this movie was the same random jumble that the previous four were.
I'm not here to be argumentative or anything, but there's no way it took several competent writers to turn out TLK. And, if it did somehow, I'd hope those writers were relieved of their duties, as they clearly failed in their objectives.

Keep in mind that this "writer's room" was helmed by the guy who wrote Batman and Robin, so... did you really have any expectations?

JazZeke wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

I think that's the part that stings the most, that this writer's room was touted for so long to be a turning point for the storytelling aspect and writing, but all they did was force random things they read about (headmasters, duocons, quintessa, time travel, the true nature of earth...) and cram them into this movie without doing anything beyond that to make it any good

I kinda just jumped to a random page to see what the conversation still was, and I saw this, and I have to admit that I've found myself wondering about the writer's room as well. It's just another installment of "We're going really make the next movie work, guys" that went nowhere. If it took a room of people to come up with the writing for TLK, I'd like to know what happened to the work they produced, because this movie was the same random jumble that the previous four were.
I'm not here to be argumentative or anything, but there's no way it took several competent writers to turn out TLK. And, if it did somehow, I'd hope those writers were relieved of their duties, as they clearly failed in their objectives.

Keep in mind that this "writer's room" was helmed by the guy who wrote Batman and Robin, so... did you really have any expectations?

Well hey, at the very least, it could have been hilariously bad. Where's Prime's Optimus Credit Card?

JazZeke wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

I think that's the part that stings the most, that this writer's room was touted for so long to be a turning point for the storytelling aspect and writing, but all they did was force random things they read about (headmasters, duocons, quintessa, time travel, the true nature of earth...) and cram them into this movie without doing anything beyond that to make it any good

I kinda just jumped to a random page to see what the conversation still was, and I saw this, and I have to admit that I've found myself wondering about the writer's room as well. It's just another installment of "We're going really make the next movie work, guys" that went nowhere. If it took a room of people to come up with the writing for TLK, I'd like to know what happened to the work they produced, because this movie was the same random jumble that the previous four were.
I'm not here to be argumentative or anything, but there's no way it took several competent writers to turn out TLK. And, if it did somehow, I'd hope those writers were relieved of their duties, as they clearly failed in their objectives.

Keep in mind that this "writer's room" was helmed by the guy who wrote Batman and Robin, so... did you really have any expectations?

I didn't expect anything. I have seen the other four Transformers movies, after all.

But I agree with Kurona's previous post. I think that the writer's room was mainly to try and sell the 'cinematic universe' idea, like it was just a smokescreen to suggest the idea of something grand and unified.

At the very least, the writers' room gave us one scene in this movie that was both legitimately awesome and amusing: The King Arthur vs. the Saxons battle, featuring Merlin the Drunk.

Sabrblade wrote:At the very least, the writers' room gave us one scene in this movie that was both legitimately awesome and amusing: The King Arthur vs. the Saxons battle, featuring Merlin the Drunk.

I was not amused

But seriously, that being the first scene got me ready for the horrid movie that it was where the director had no sense of tone.

All in all, Transformers The Last Knight was a mix of the good and the bad. If you have a low expectations and going to a good summer blockbuster action movie, it's ok. By no it ruined Transformers the way ROTF and DOTM did. If only they decide to use some decent Transformers action and character development instead of drunk Merlin and Evil Optimus thing was more ambitious...

So Wesley Burt who has done Concept art for the movie before such as AOE has posted some images of an early concept of Canopy who in here seems to originally turn into some trains.

Obviously Canopy became the long haul reuse since well you know but I personally like both.


https://twitter.com/wesburt/status/883181187706961921
https://twitter.com/wesburt/status/883183730751184896
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWO12w2nC5b/




Do you think God stays in heaven because he too, lives in fear of what he's created?

https://twitter.com/wesburt/status/883188802369409024

This is Daytrader aka Steve Buscemi before they threw a beard on this face, gave him a hat and called it a day no seriously look closely to this show of him from a spot and the face shares the base design as this one.

So Wesley Burt who has done Concept art for the movie before such as AOE has posted some images of an early concept of Canopy who in here seems to originally turn into some trains.

Why waste time and money to render a decent new form for a guy that will be killed in one of first few minutes?

But I agree with Kurona's previous post. I think that the writer's room was mainly to try and sell the 'cinematic universe' idea, like it was just a smokescreen to suggest the idea of something grand and unified.

At least they admitted that first four movies were just a series of summer blockusters, not a cinematic universe, it dosen't make plot holes any less offensive, but at least they are honest with us. Just not sure If I like that they will try sell the same thing again and again with "hey, look, it's a shared cinematic universe!".

Thanks to our very own Deadput we have some concept art from Transformers: The Last Knight. These images show us how the artist Wesley Burt drew up Canopy and Daytrader ("Traderbot" as he is called in the image notes). On his Instagram page he talks about Canopy's design.

Initial visual development for the Canopy character in Transformers: The Last Knight, based on a Chicago L rail car. He hides all the little bots from drone surveillance with his ruins ghillie suit.

In the images below we can see how his design for the character model progressed. Some of the colors darkened as the drawing was finished. What do you think of these designs?

Michigan Motion Picture Studios is going to hold a two day garage sale. Both Transformers: Age of Extinction and Transformers: The Last Knight were filmed at this studio. According to the article there are lots of different items for sale but sadly there are no images. All kinds of treasures could be lurking. If anyone has any images or other information, we would love to know!

If you would like to learn more about where Transformers: The Last Knight was filmed, have a look at this article.

Tables, dressers, couches, costumes, cups, dishes and silverware are just some of the hundreds of items that will be available at the cash-only sale, which will take place from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. on Friday, July 14 and Saturday, July 15 at Gate 2 of the studio, located at 1999 Centerpoint Parkway in Pontiac.

Just in case people missed my post about it above since some people only look at the news post and not the thread.

"Do you think God stays in heaven because he too, lives in fear of what he's created?"
Steve Buscemi Spy Kids 2: Island of Lost Dreams

Canopy reminds me of one of the creatures from The Dark Crystal.

Deadput wrote:So Wesley Burt who has done Concept art for the movie before such as AOE has posted some images of an early concept of Canopy who in here seems to originally turn into some trains.

Obviously Canopy became the long haul reuse since well you know but I personally like both.


https://twitter.com/wesburt/status/883181187706961921
https://twitter.com/wesburt/status/883183730751184896
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWO12w2nC5b/




Do you think God stays in heaven because he too, lives in fear of what he's created?

https://twitter.com/wesburt/status/883188802369409024

This is Daytrader aka Steve Buscemi before they threw a beard on this face, gave him a hat and called it a day no seriously look closely to this show of him from a spot and the face shares the base design as this one.

For people complaining about bots not looking human enough look at Steve buscemi bot character that transformer looks to be created by transformer fan who hate bay transformers realistic looking bots and this character look cartoony looking with human pieces pasted on it make face looking at that bot glad fans don't make transformer movies other wise megatron be big giant that humans can not hold in there hand, and bots be looking cartoony looking with boring blocky body parts not enough car parts showing to make it realistic looking

dragons wrote:For people complaining about bots not looking human enough look at Steve buscemi bot character that transformer looks to be created by transformer fan who hate bay transformers realistic looking bots and this character look cartoony looking with human pieces pasted on it make face looking at that bot glad fans don't make transformer movies other wise megatron be big giant that humans can not hold in there hand, and bots be looking cartoony looking with boring blocky body parts not enough car parts showing to make it realistic looking

Yeah, the animation style of the movie wouldn't/doesn't work well with traditional unbroken shapes and panels.

I don't get why "Daytrader" or the Junk bot wasn't Wreck-Gar. It would have been an appropriate name reuse. Oh well ... hopefully a new direction is just beyond the horizon with the live action film franchise.

Seibertron wrote:I don't get why "Daytrader" or the Junk bot wasn't Wreck-Gar. It would have been an appropriate name reuse. Oh well ... hopefully a new direction is just beyond the horizon with the live action film franchise.

same I was hoping he was called wreck-gar, in my own personal cannon he is.

Seibertron wrote:I don't get why "Daytrader" or the Junk bot wasn't Wreck-Gar. It would have been an appropriate name reuse. Oh well ... hopefully a new direction is just beyond the horizon with the live action film franchise.

My guess, based on Daytrader's concept art, is that they wanted to basically make him be "Steve Buscemi as a Transformer" as a start, but then only added all the excess junk once he ended up being a modified reuse of Hound's robot mode CG model. If that's how it was for him, then Daytrader was meant to be "Daytrader" from the get-go, with the junk being added in later making him similar to Wreck-Gar in only a superficial manner. At least, that's just my theory.

Sabrblade wrote:once he ended up being a modified reuse of Hound's robot mode CG model.

But... Daytrader doesn't even use Hound's body like at all it's not a Long Haul to Onslaught/Canopy(Who reuses a modified Jolt head so not even Canopy's head is original) thier just both "chunky" with beards and Daytrader's beard is only put on top of that concept head design.

No I'm not joking that head design is in the film but just like how Hound has this face without the beard.

Btw anyone elso notice these differences that this guy's on about
https://youtu.be/C3yBqK9VdPc

Stuartmaximus wrote:Btw anyone elso notice these differences that this guy's on about
https://youtu.be/C3yBqK9VdPc

Those were all discussed in the spoiler thread. This is the non-spoiler thread.

Stuartmaximus wrote:Btw anyone elso notice these differences that this guy's on about
https://youtu.be/C3yBqK9VdPc

I noticed. All of Nitro's dialogue is completely different.

Stuartmaximus wrote:Btw anyone elso notice these differences that this guy's on about
https://youtu.be/C3yBqK9VdPc

We made an article out of it and posted it i the spoiler thread. Feel free to look it up there and discuss it within that thread.