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Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Yall gotta understand, I may be a serious Transformer collector, but I still grew up hanging out in the hood. You cant take that mentality out of my system. It's a way of life. And you dont have to go to the hood to find sexist mentalities. Just turn on CNN and watch right wing politicians.

As far as my hate for "human" toys, I always saw robots as the "cool" alternitve. 1980's GI joe was cool too because they were small unlike the 60's versions that could go side by side with your sisters Barbies.

Well, what's it gonna take for you to realize that not all "action figures" are of "non-human beings"? Because that's a very foolish way to think.

I never said they were. I just believe any human figure the size of a Barbie or larger is a doll no matter how many points of articulation it has. Call it ignorant, but you gotta draw the line somewhere between the two. From a childs perspective, the bigger it is, the more cuddly it becomes. Just for kicks, if the Ginrai toy was the size of a small infant, would you still classify it as an action figure ???

Rated X wrote:I never said they were. I just believe any human figure the size of a Barbie or larger is a doll no matter how many points of articulation it has. Call it ignorant, but you gotta draw the line somewhere between the two.

Not if it doesn't have any soft material or removable clothing like a doll usually has.

Rated X wrote:From a childs perspective, the bigger it is, the more cuddly it becomes.

That would hurt with these figures. What with all thier rough edging and sharp, pointy, robotic body builds.

Rated X wrote:Just for kicks, if the Ginrai toy was the size of a small infant, would you still classify it as an action figure ???

As a generalizing term? Yes. But for a more specific term, for something that large, I'd call it a "statue", or a "display piece". An articulated statue, but a statue nonetheless.

And just for kicks, suppose they gave a human Pretender Shell to the G1 Fortress Maximus toy. Not a shell for the head robot like what they did for Grand Maximus, but a shell for the full 2-foot tall citybot.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:I never said they were. I just believe any human figure the size of a Barbie or larger is a doll no matter how many points of articulation it has. Call it ignorant, but you gotta draw the line somewhere between the two.

Not if it doesn't have any soft material or removable clothing like a doll usually has.

Rated X wrote:From a childs perspective, the bigger it is, the more cuddly it becomes.

That would hurt with these figures. What with all thier rough edging and sharp, pointy, robotic body builds.

Rated X wrote:Just for kicks, if the Ginrai toy was the size of a small infant, would you still classify it as an action figure ???

As a generalizing term? Yes. But for a more specific term, for something that large, I'd call it a "statue", or a "display piece". An articulated statue, but a statue nonetheless.

And just for kicks, suppose they gave a human Pretender Shell to the G1 Fortress Maximus toy. Not a shell for the head robot like what they did for Grand Maximus, but a shell for the full 2-foot tall citybot.

Not sure what I would call it. If it was a giant alien shell with claws or a dragon tail, I would probally love it. If it was a shell that looked like Sergant Slaughter, I would be horrorfied. As a kid, the last thing I wanted to play with were humans because I was a human. Didnt seem that exciting to me. I wanted to play with things that are out of this world. (but thats just me)

Rated X wrote:As a kid, the last thing I wanted to play with were humans because I was a human. Didnt seem that exciting to me. I wanted to play with things that are out of this world. (but thats just me)

Not even superhumans, metahumans, or warriors/soldiers/fighters/etc. (like knights/pirates/cowboys/commandos/ninjas/samurai/Rambo/etc.)?

Rated X wrote: As a kid, the last thing I wanted to play with were humans because I was a human. Didnt seem that exciting to me. I wanted to play with things that are out of this world. (but thats just me)

Wow, no G.I. Joe, Centurians, Ghostbusters, Visionaries, Spiral Zone, Inhumanoids,
He-Man, Warlord, C.O.P.S., WWF, Super Powers... All had human figures. You missed out.

Going back to your first comment in this thread, I would imagine most men who collect toys into adulthood could care less about shallow women and their thoughts of their collections. It works for you to be self conscious about what women think belongs in your(?) collection. Calling these dolls is humorous at best.

@ Sabrblade

I have to correct you on one aspect..Ginrai and Minerva are technically cyborgs. Human with machine parts.

Anyways, based on that other guy's definition, with his use of examples, action figures with removable clothing are dolls, so he already negated his argument that Ginrai/Minerva are dolls......you can't cast-off their uniform/armor/clothes.

Talk about a doll fetish..........makes me wonder whether he actually has seen the real biological "thing" from the opposite gender.

fenrir72 wrote:@ Sabrblade

I have to correct you on one aspect..Ginrai and Minerva are technically cyborgs. Human with machine parts.

In Suit Mode, aside form their heads, they no longer have any organic components in their bodies, with their robotic armor suits literally becoming their actual bodies. So, they'd qualify more as "androids" or "artificial humans" ("jinzo ningen" for you DBZ fans) than cyborgs.

Though, combine them with their Transtectors and you got full blown Super Robot Lifeforms ("chou roboto seimeitai") with human souls.

DISCHARGE wrote:

Rated X wrote: As a kid, the last thing I wanted to play with were humans because I was a human. Didnt seem that exciting to me. I wanted to play with things that are out of this world. (but thats just me)

Wow, no G.I. Joe, Centurians, Ghostbusters, Visionaries, Spiral Zone, Inhumanoids,
He-Man, Warlord, C.O.P.S., WWF, Super Powers... All had human figures. You missed out.

Going back to your first comment in this thread, I would imagine most men who collect toys into adulthood could care less about shallow women and their thoughts of their collections. It works for you to be self conscious about what women think belongs in your(?) collection. Calling these dolls is humorous at best.

Nah. I went from 4 years of Transformers (1984-1988) and went straight to Nintendo. I honestly never liked action figures of human characters.

As far as women are concerned, If you got the right personality it doesnt matter what you collect. But you gotta draw the line somewhere. I draw it for "doll like" transformers characters figures. Im a man first and a collector second.

Rated X wrote:Im a man first and a collector second.

Then a man ought to be secure enough in his masculinity to collect whatever he wants, regardless of whatever that may be and whatever others may think of him and his collection.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Yall gotta understand, I may be a serious Transformer collector, but I still grew up hanging out in the hood. You cant take that mentality out of my system. It's a way of life. And you dont have to go to the hood to find sexist mentalities. Just turn on CNN and watch right wing politicians.

As far as my hate for "human" toys, I always saw robots as the "cool" alternitve. 1980's GI joe was cool too because they were small unlike the 60's versions that could go side by side with your sisters Barbies.

Well, what's it gonna take for you to realize that not all "action figures" are of "non-human beings"? Because that's a very foolish way to think.

I never said they were. I just believe any human figure the size of a Barbie or larger is a doll no matter how many points of articulation it has. Call it ignorant, but you gotta draw the line somewhere between the two. From a childs perspective, the bigger it is, the more cuddly it becomes. Just for kicks, if the Ginrai toy was the size of a small infant, would you still classify it as an action figure ???

Man, I love my Marvel icons Venom doll, it's so f**king cudly. I tak eit to bed with me and hug it, and rub it against my face and chest due to how amazingly cuddly it is. I also play tea party with it and combe it's tounge and I kiss it and call it Steave.

God I love how cuddly the hard plastic is it'S almost as cuddly as my Armada Unicron doll.

Rated X wrote:Call it ignorant, but you gotta draw the line somewhere between the two.

Why?

For what purpose?

Sabrblade wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:@ Sabrblade

I have to correct you on one aspect..Ginrai and Minerva are technically cyborgs. Human with machine parts.

In Suit Mode, aside form their heads, they no longer have any organic components in their bodies, with their robotic armor suits literally becoming their actual bodies. So, they'd qualify more as "androids" or "artificial humans" ("jinzo ningen" for you DBZ fans) than cyborgs.

Though, combine them with their Transtectors and you got full blown Super Robot Lifeforms ("chou roboto seimeitai") with human souls.

At what point is this established? The cyborg-part, I mean. I'm not bing a wise-ass about it, I'm just curious. I always thought that they wher people in suits. Integrated with each other, but suits.

RhA wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:@ Sabrblade

I have to correct you on one aspect..Ginrai and Minerva are technically cyborgs. Human with machine parts.

In Suit Mode, aside form their heads, they no longer have any organic components in their bodies, with their robotic armor suits literally becoming their actual bodies. So, they'd qualify more as "androids" or "artificial humans" ("jinzo ningen" for you DBZ fans) than cyborgs.

Though, combine them with their Transtectors and you got full blown Super Robot Lifeforms ("chou roboto seimeitai") with human souls.

At what point is this established? The cyborg-part, I mean. I'm not bing a wise-ass about it, I'm just curious. I always thought that they wher people in suits. Integrated with each other, but suits.

The episode that Shūta, Cab, and Minerva got their Masterbraces. Upon entering Suit Mode, they tested out their bodies and found that they now possessed extraordinary abilities beyond normal human capability. Their bodies were now robotic, but could go back to being organic whenever they returned to regular human form. That's the magic of Chōkon Power.

@ Rated X

As stated by your posts. It's your personal hang up that this type of figure is a doll. Not them Floridians but your own personal view/prejudice/taste. Okay, we get it.

You have inserted your view like every time the post was updated by Blurzz. We get it. You don't like human looking figures. Not your "neighbors". You. So........ get over it!Quit trolling/spamming/flame baiting!

We hear your views, it does not mean we should all accept it. It's kind of getting tired that I created another thread for you to ventilate your concerns. Just leave this thread alone unless you have another topic to contribute.

Btw, I also posted a pic of Minerva at another anime figure related site where I am a member and posted a question if this figure was anywhere ero to their taste. There were like 5 women members(confirmed women) who so nothing closely erotic or creepy about Minerva's figure. Now Revoltech's Queen's blade figure........that's another matter.

Heck even my granny doesn't see her any more ero as your friendly neighborhood Spiderman in his skin tight, muscle marking spandex outfit.

So QUIT IT! You mentioned you have drawn the line.....OKAY, line drawn!

Now, let's get back and talk about when the item will be released.

fenrir72 wrote:You have inserted your view like every time the post was updated by Blurzz. We get it.

Now now, as much as I do like being zealous about the news, the true men of the hour in regards to it are El Duque, and GRR. I'm far past my Prime

And honestly, let's just move along here. When it comes down to it, these are all toys. And we don't need to stress or lose sleep over what other people think about toys. Forums are meant to spread our appreciation and enjoyment of our hobbies, not for us to poke swords at each other. Let's keep it easy boys.

Sorry about that, credit where credit is due.

El Duque and GetRightRobot were the ones who most often updated this thread. For which I am eternally thankful (and sorry for not giving right credit)

Anyway, if I sound like a broken record.................I just can't wait for a final/confirmed release date.

ETA in Japan, last week of July 2012.Based on amiami

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... 6&page=top

More Ginrai pics

http://www.nekomagic.com/?p=30973

CM's Corp have provided yet another update for their upcoming Gutto Kuru Figure Ginrai figure. As you can see the figure features multiple heads and sets of hands. Also pictured is their Gutto Kuru Figure Minerva figure who is scheduled for release in July. Images mirrored below.

I just noticed something. How articulate are Ginrai's legs? In all these images, his legs are barely repositioned from his standard pose. Can his knees even bend at all?

These are all very nice, but having never followed the Japanese headmasters, I'm not drawn to them like other figures.

Sabrblade wrote:I just noticed something. How articulate are Ginrai's legs? In all these images, his legs are barely repositioned from his standard pose. Can his knees even bend at all?

Looking at the shots of the back of the figure, his knees appear to have a double joint... why they didn't detail this is anyone's guess, but it certainly does appear to be movable.

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, but are these officially licensed?

Fistful of Energon wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, but are these officially licensed?

I think they are. Shame the link in the news item is off by one letter (the h in http://). Here's the real link:

CM's Corp. Home Page

5 faces and they cant give you one without that corny hairpiece sticking over his forehead ??? Cartoon accurate or not, it's just plain annoying like the pointy hair on Alphalpha or those 2 puff balls on Archie's head.

I must admit the Minerva doll is growing on me. It might be the first and only doll I ever buy. I wont even try to sugarcoat it. It is what it is.