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That explains a lot of the mess that was Transformers Prime.
This is at Rik Alvarez’s panel about writing for the Aligned Continuity. He also mentions having less than 24 hours to discuss and edit TFP episode scripts before sending them out for recording. Sounds like a nightmare.
And if you were wondering why Beast Hunters was such a ridiculous mess…
A few things mentioned in the panel that aren’t on these slides:
- New director wanted personal control over the season and scrapped the original plans for season 3 overnight.
- Weird obsession with awful color schemes. Lots of internal fighting over characterization and details.
- Determined to erase as much of what was originally planned as possible.
- This whole mess cost so much money and did so poorly that it closed HasLab and essentially put off Hasbro from making other major TF investments.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
* AOE Crosshairs was originally Smokescreen
* "Aligned WAS the future." It was a ten-year plan.
* TFP Smokescreen was made from the model of MMO Prowl (we knew this already, I think)
* Skyquake was originally going to be Skywarp
* There were fights over whether or not to make Trypticon the intelligence awakened in Flying Mind, as well as whether or not Smokescreen would've had his #38. Also, there was going to be a "background reference" to Trypticon being the Nemesis but the writers forgot to add it.
* Silas' last name was originally Sumdac
* Season two would've ended with a revived Cybertron, everyone would've come home, including the Maximals. Season three would've had the Pirates (Thundertron) and a Wild West feel.
* Cosmos would've appeared and had his alt mode from a B movie set (sounds basically like the unused plan in Animated)
* The MMO game would've had "world bosses" which would've required faction team ups to defeat. Thunderwing, the Herald of Unicron from the TFP game, would've been one of these.
* By the end, Prime was costing $1.6 million an episode.
* WFC was originally a G1 prequel
* TFP was going to lead into a massive Avengers style Unit: E crossover to jumpstart the other brands participating. Ratchet and Fowler from TFP; Duke from GI Joe; Synergy from Jem and the Holograms; Princess Lollipop from Candyland; also characters from MASK, Stretch Armstrong, Micronauts, Sectaurs, Primordia (the renamed Inhumanoids) and more.
* Clarification: Unicron/Megatron/Galvatron would've teamed up with Airachnid and combined their legions of Terrorcons for Predacons Rising.
* Rik Alvarez: The books (Exodus, Exiles, Retribution and I think the Covenant too) were terrible and Rik basically rewrote them himself the night before they were published.
* The new design team for season three said "**** you" to the Binder of Revelation, wanted a green Optimus and the beasts.
* The studio didn't want Airachnid because girls. They only agreed to her if she had claws on the side of her alt mode on her toy.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Where do you see that?triKlops wrote:The WFC prequel link has me interested.
Is there any more info to flesh out that statement?
Thanks in advance.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Where do you see that?triKlops wrote:The WFC prequel link has me interested.
Is there any more info to flesh out that statement?
Thanks in advance.
Oh that. I thought you meant something about a prequel to WFC.triKlops wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Where do you see that?triKlops wrote:The WFC prequel link has me interested.
Is there any more info to flesh out that statement?
Thanks in advance.
Sabr; this tidbit,* WFC was originally a G1 prequel, has me interested.
Wondering if Rik gave more info than that or just a blanket statement.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Oh that. I thought you meant something about a prequel to WFC.triKlops wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Where do you see that?triKlops wrote:The WFC prequel link has me interested.
Is there any more info to flesh out that statement?
Thanks in advance.
Sabr; this tidbit,* WFC was originally a G1 prequel, has me interested.
Wondering if Rik gave more info than that or just a blanket statement.![]()
Yeah, that's just a general statement. From previous reports, back when High Moon Studios approached Hasbro about doing a Transformers game, High Moon originally wanted to make a G1-based game that would take place on Cybertron before the war would go to Earth, similar in concept to the War Within comics. But Hasbro had its Aligned plans in the works and permitted High Moon to make a pre-Earth TF game (with a heavy dosage of G1 influence) but for the Aligned continuity instead of another new G1 continuity.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Not at the time that they were conceiving this, which was back during the Costa era of IDW that most fans hated.Ironhidensh wrote:They would have had much more success sticking with the G1 continuity, or at least IDW.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Not at the time that they were conceiving this, which was back during the Costa era of IDW that most fans hated.Ironhidensh wrote:They would have had much more success sticking with the G1 continuity, or at least IDW.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Buying isn't the same thing as enjoying. People kept hoping that it would get better, and for longest time it didn't.Ironhidensh wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Not at the time that they were conceiving this, which was back during the Costa era of IDW that most fans hated.Ironhidensh wrote:They would have had much more success sticking with the G1 continuity, or at least IDW.
That most fans say they hate now. They didn't have a problem buying it up at the time.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Can only speak for myself, but I stopped buying IDW Transformers books when the Costa ongoing started. LSotW was the last series I picked up until Chaos piqued my interest enough to look into what was going on. Happened to grab Chaos Theory as a new jumping on point and was thoroughly hooked. Anyway.Ironhidensh wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Not at the time that they were conceiving this, which was back during the Costa era of IDW that most fans hated.Ironhidensh wrote:They would have had much more success sticking with the G1 continuity, or at least IDW.
That most fans say they hate now. They didn't have a problem buying it up at the time.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Hey Counterpunch, thanks for the input. It's nice to hear that it was more civil than these other reports made it seem to be.
Since you were at the panel, I've two questions. First, did Rik talk about the Dinobots being put into the Aligned fiction (FOC, the Prime comics, etc.) since previous reports spoke of how they weren't supposed to be a part of this continuity and that High Moon Studios really had to push for their inclusion?
Secondly, I've heard from others who were at this panel that they saw some group in purple shirts recording the entire panel. Would you happen to know which group this was? Myself and others have searched for any videos from this panel but have come up short.
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