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The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby Towline » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:13 pm

Hello Seibertroniters!
After watching a documentary on Bronies and listening to the twin cast podcast.
I have a question I like to ask this website.
How come female "Transformers" fans have an easier time with not getting publicly heckled then male "My Little Pony" fans?
We live in an interesting time in pop culture when robots have become more gender neutral then horses.

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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby Shadowman » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:12 pm

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Because female Transformers fans don't get nearly as creepy as bronies can get.

I've seen things. Horrible things. Things that will haunt me to the end of my days...

EDIT: It's also an age-old double standard: Girls being into boy's stuff is far more socially acceptable than boys being into girl's stuff.
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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:33 am

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Shadowman wrote:EDIT: It's also an age-old double standard: Girls being into boy's stuff is far more socially acceptable than boys being into girl's stuff.


This, so this. :APPLAUSE:

Well, we do have some "prejudices" towards female fans, but it's all in good humor:

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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby JetOptimus23 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:18 am

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Bronies are a whole nother can of worms. They've basically taken over the show and made the fanbase horribly unsafe for MLP's actual audience. Female TFans are just that; fans of the Transformers franchise who also happen to be female.
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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby babylon queen » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:29 pm

Can you have gender neutral toys?
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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby ScoutBumblebee » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:02 pm

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babylon queen wrote:Can you have gender neutral toys?


Definitely! Most animals class as gender neutral, many books, landscape type stuff, garden type stuff, etc. It's when you get into action figures and the like that people throw gender into it.

Honestly, I believe that gender basing comes down purely to marketing and the power of the almighty dollar. If a company is going to market a toy, they need a target audience. They look at the MOST likely target audience. If the bulk of interested kids/people will be boys, they will aggressively market it to boys. Vice versa with girls. If there's a small percentage of folks who buy despite not being in the target audience, ok. But ultimately you get the best response from targeting those most likely to take interest.
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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby fenrir72 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:07 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Shadowman wrote:EDIT: It's also an age-old double standard: Girls being into boy's stuff is far more socially acceptable than boys being into girl's stuff.


This, so this. :APPLAUSE:

Well, we do have some "prejudices" towards female fans, but it's all in good humor:

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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby cybercat » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:10 pm

Shadowman wrote:
EDIT: It's also an age-old double standard: Girls being into boy's stuff is far more socially acceptable than boys being into girl's stuff.


Hmmm, depends what you mean by 'socially acceptable'? I get less flak from cashiers (but they always ask if it's for my son....whom I don't have), sure, than a guy buying a pony might, but I have to say I've run into a lot of...guff (for lack of a better word) from male TF fans. You know, the ones who insist when I'm looking at toys that I must be looking for Arcee or of course did I hear? DID I HEAR?!?! Transformers has a WHOLE SERIES WRITTEN AND DRAWN BY WOMEN ABOUT A FEMALE CHARACTER!!!

Yeah, I heard. Sorry, not my bag. I've read TF comics at least since Dreamwave. I ain't here for the 'girls'. I resent the intrusion of binary gender INTO Transformers.

I've also run into the deep seated belief that female in fandom are only into shipping and are SJW tumblrinas. I hesitate to say the word here and I won't go any further bc it's a family-forum, but 'slash'--say that word around male fans and you get the dismissive disgusted eyeroll.

SO, yeah, I can maybe BUY a toy with less drama from clerks, but I still get judged by male fans as skanking and skeeving up their robots.

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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby Shadowman » Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:43 am

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Shadowman wrote:
EDIT: It's also an age-old double standard: Girls being into boy's stuff is far more socially acceptable than boys being into girl's stuff.


Hmmm, depends what you mean by 'socially acceptable'? I get less flak from cashiers (but they always ask if it's for my son....whom I don't have), sure, than a guy buying a pony might, but I have to say I've run into a lot of...guff (for lack of a better word) from male TF fans. You know, the ones who insist when I'm looking at toys that I must be looking for Arcee or of course did I hear? DID I HEAR?!?! Transformers has a WHOLE SERIES WRITTEN AND DRAWN BY WOMEN ABOUT A FEMALE CHARACTER!!!

Yeah, I heard. Sorry, not my bag. I've read TF comics at least since Dreamwave. I ain't here for the 'girls'. I resent the intrusion of binary gender INTO Transformers.

I've also run into the deep seated belief that female in fandom are only into shipping and are SJW tumblrinas. I hesitate to say the word here and I won't go any further bc it's a family-forum, but 'slash'--say that word around male fans and you get the dismissive disgusted eyeroll.

SO, yeah, I can maybe BUY a toy with less drama from clerks, but I still get judged by male fans as skanking and skeeving up their robots.

CC, slashing up ur robits?


Now take a moment to consider the primary demographic for Transformers, and you'll understand why such an immature reaction is so commonplace...
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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby CliffjumperXD » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:53 am

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Shadowman wrote:Hmmm, depends what you mean by 'socially acceptable'? I get less flak from cashiers (but they always ask if it's for my son....whom I don't have), sure, than a guy buying a pony might, but I have to say I've run into a lot of...guff (for lack of a better word) from male TF fans. You know, the ones who insist when I'm looking at toys that I must be looking for Arcee or of course did I hear? DID I HEAR?!?! Transformers has a WHOLE SERIES WRITTEN AND DRAWN BY WOMEN ABOUT A FEMALE CHARACTER!!!

Yeah, I heard. Sorry, not my bag. I've read TF comics at least since Dreamwave. I ain't here for the 'girls'. I resent the intrusion of binary gender INTO Transformers.


Can't say I've had any flak from anyone. Now, I do get glances from men when I'm browsing Transformers in the store. Maybe they think I'm lost :grin:

I've also been questioned about my view on the female characters. Apparently, I should like them but I don't really like any :D All of my favorite TFs are not of the female variety. This apparently can irk some people of both genders. Who I like shouldn't be important to anyone but me. I like the subject matter that Transformers revolves around which is why I'm here.
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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby CelticDragon » Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:29 am

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Interesting discussion. I think Shadowman has a point but it's one that back when I was young (in the Dark Ages when dinosaurs still roamed) didn't seem like such a marked delineation (it's possible that Old Timer's disease has colored my memories). Commercials on TV were marketed to one gender or the other but toy stores didn't have aisles devoted to each gender. I also don't remember back then that it was as much a deal for girls to have "boy" toys, like action figures. In fact, the first time I saw a Transformer toy was at my friend's house (a girl). Her mother had a Transformer and we were all sitting around treating it like the latest puzzle trying to transform it.

The reverse trend was not as well-accepted (and still is not). My brother had She-ra's castle to go with his whole He-man collection but told all his friends it belonged to me to avoid the embarrassment of having a pink castle and girly-doll figure! My friends knew darn well I wouldn't have been caught dead with it!! :D

I'm also old enough to not give a crap what someone in a store thinks about me buying a Transformer, or anything else for that matter. >:oP

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only woman who really doesn't care for the female Transformers, stories or figures. Just not my cuppa.

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EDIT: It's also an age-old double standard: Girls being into boy's stuff is far more socially acceptable than boys being into girl's stuff.
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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby ctrlFrequency » Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:19 pm

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CelticDragon wrote:I'm glad to hear I'm not the only woman who really doesn't care for the female Transformers, stories or figures. Just not my cuppa.

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EDIT: It's also an age-old double standard: Girls being into boy's stuff is far more socially acceptable than boys being into girl's stuff.


As another (way too long time)female who's a transformers fan... I also have add my voice to the not caring for the female characters!

Well, actually, Nautica has been the first one I liked. All the others seemed to be trying too hard for one thing or another. The original set of fembots seemed too girly... they were so not representative of anything in my life. I couldn't connect. Windblade and the latest Chromia seems like they're trying to hard to prove.. everything. Nautica just is being herself.

I don't get much funny looks when I'm going through the Transformers toys in the store, at least that I've noticed (I've had guys walking back and forth behind me like they wanted to say something but I'm really great at tuning everyone out. I get stared at enough no matter what to really notice). But the looks I get when my 6 year old son carries around a baby doll is pretty crazy. However, the older generations (in their 60's and 70's) seem to have less problem with it.
However that has always been women, I don't know how men react (none have ever said anything). I would imagine badly because of that gender stereotype going on. Men don't really like seeing boys with 'girls' toys.

We try to have a very gender neutral house. But every day I'm having to undo the damage done to my 6 year old when he comes back from school. I'm constantly hearing about girl things and boys things and how he can't do something because it's a girl things or a girl toy (and don't take him down the make up aisle at the store, he starts complaining about girly things).
My husband had to bite his tongue about the baby doll, but to his credit he never said anything, just muttered "gender neutral... gender neutral..." under his breath. Product of his environment...
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Re: The gender politics of hasbro fandom.

Postby Dead Metal » Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:53 pm

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Reason the older generations don't care about boys playing with dolls is because when they were young they too played with dolls. Dolls used to be a gender neutral toy. It'S just when they decided to make dolls based on army men and trying to differentiate them from other dolls as a marketing ploy, by calling them action figures that people started to bring gender into it.
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