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How to strenghten joints

Postby william-james88 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:04 am

Hey, can anyone tell me which finger nail products work for tightening joints? I used crazy glue once but it gave disastrous effects since it got stuck and the peice broke.
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Re: How to strenghten joints

Postby Kyleor » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:26 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Hey, can anyone tell me which finger nail products work for tightening joints? I used crazy glue once but it gave disastrous effects since it got stuck and the peice broke.


It looks like clear finger nail polish, any brand, is recommended, however that can flake/rub off over time.

Also I saw "Pledge with Future Shine" recommended a lot to tighten joints and to protect chromed parts, without the possible damage from using nail polish or glue.
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Re: How to strenghten joints

Postby william-james88 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:40 pm

Kyleor wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Hey, can anyone tell me which finger nail products work for tightening joints? I used crazy glue once but it gave disastrous effects since it got stuck and the peice broke.


It looks like clear finger nail polish, any brand, is recommended, however that can flake/rub off over time.

Also I saw "Pledge with Future Shine" recommended a lot to tighten joints and to protect chromed parts, without the possible damage from using nail polish or glue.


Thanks!
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby donny1975 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:42 pm

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Delta Magnus wrote:Look up "rubber care stick". It's actually for cars but it works just as well on toy rubber.


Would this do the trick Delta? How often would you say I would need to apply it?

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Re: How to strenghten joints

Postby Kyleor » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:32 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Kyleor wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Hey, can anyone tell me which finger nail products work for tightening joints? I used crazy glue once but it gave disastrous effects since it got stuck and the peice broke.


It looks like clear finger nail polish, any brand, is recommended, however that can flake/rub off over time.

Also I saw "Pledge with Future Shine" recommended a lot to tighten joints and to protect chromed parts, without the possible damage from using nail polish or glue.


Thanks!


Just picked up a bottle from K-Mart, this is what it looks like now.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby NuclearConvoy » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:43 pm

Anyone have any idea what to do to tighten joints that use pins to hold them together?

I have just tried some clear nailpolish on my Crosscut because he had super loose arm and ankle ball joints, and it seems to be producing good effects. I anticipate that I will have to reapply it if I play heavily with it, but I can't see how it would damage it so, cool. I also mostly display things in one mode for a long time, maybe reorganize it once in a while.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby Kyleor » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:26 pm

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NuclearConvoy wrote:Anyone have any idea what to do to tighten joints that use pins to hold them together?

I have just tried some clear nailpolish on my Crosscut because he had super loose arm and ankle ball joints, and it seems to be producing good effects. I anticipate that I will have to reapply it if I play heavily with it, but I can't see how it would damage it so, cool. I also mostly display things in one mode for a long time, maybe reorganize it once in a while.



Try the floor shine posted above. It seems to work on many joint types.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby jprime69 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:58 pm

To all experts in repairs, I had posted years ago seeking advice in regards to repairing a broken Fansproject Blesser I had received. The legs are separated from the crotch piece, with the breaks occurring at the pegs that contain the ball joints. Never got around to attempting to fix it other than trying unsuccessfully to glue it together.

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Is there a way to repair this and be able to maintain the articulation from the ball joints on both legs? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby Kyleor » Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:52 am

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jprime69 wrote:To all experts in repairs, I had posted years ago seeking advice in regards to repairing a broken Fansproject Blesser I had received. The legs are separated from the crotch piece, with the breaks occurring at the pegs that contain the ball joints. Never got around to attempting to fix it other than trying unsuccessfully to glue it together.

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Is there a way to repair this and be able to maintain the articulation from the ball joints on both legs? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


Do you have/can you take better pictures? It's hard to see where/what the damaged areas are.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby jprime69 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:51 pm

Kyleor wrote:
jprime69 wrote:To all experts in repairs, I had posted years ago seeking advice in regards to repairing a broken Fansproject Blesser I had received. The legs are separated from the crotch piece, with the breaks occurring at the pegs that contain the ball joints. Never got around to attempting to fix it other than trying unsuccessfully to glue it together.

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Is there a way to repair this and be able to maintain the articulation from the ball joints on both legs? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


Do you have/can you take better pictures? It's hard to see where/what the damaged areas are.


My apologies. I'm using an iPhone camera and for whatever reason, clear pics can be hit or miss.

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Tried to brighten up the pics, hope it helps. The breaks are at both ends of the center piece. They aren't completely clean breaks. The ball joints are still in each leg while the other end appears to cap off with a disc like peg.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby Kyleor » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:36 am

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You could do a pin repair. You cut a short piece of paper clip or thinner wire then drill a matching hole in both plastic pieces and glue them together with the pin inside. It's hard to drill a hole in the same spot for both sides but it makes a strong joint. You could use a different type of glue, a little bit of plastic compatable epoxy would be stronger than super glue. Or what used to be called 'airplane glue', glue meant for use on plastic models, not the 'non-toxic' stuff, the real kind that you need a window open to use so you don't get high while using it. The good stuff bonds/melts the plastic together so only use a little.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby jprime69 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:07 pm

Kyleor wrote:You could do a pin repair. You cut a short piece of paper clip or thinner wire then drill a matching hole in both plastic pieces and glue them together with the pin inside. It's hard to drill a hole in the same spot for both sides but it makes a strong joint. You could use a different type of glue, a little bit of plastic compatable epoxy would be stronger than super glue. Or what used to be called 'airplane glue', glue meant for use on plastic models, not the 'non-toxic' stuff, the real kind that you need a window open to use so you don't get high while using it. The good stuff bonds/melts the plastic together so only use a little.


Thanks for the advice. Sounds simple enough.

Hypothetically, will that allow for complete and independent movement of the legs?
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby Kyleor » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:54 am

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jprime69 wrote:
Kyleor wrote:You could do a pin repair. You cut a short piece of paper clip or thinner wire then drill a matching hole in both plastic pieces and glue them together with the pin inside. It's hard to drill a hole in the same spot for both sides but it makes a strong joint. You could use a different type of glue, a little bit of plastic compatible epoxy would be stronger than super glue. Or what used to be called 'airplane glue', glue meant for use on plastic models, not the 'non-toxic' stuff, the real kind that you need a window open to use so you don't get high while using it. The good stuff bonds/melts the plastic together so only use a little.


Thanks for the advice. Sounds simple enough.

Hypothetically, will that allow for complete and independent movement of the legs?


I kept meaning to draw this (it's busy season at work). If I'm understanding the break correctly it's the blue area in the picture. If you can get the ball part out of the socket then the 'long pin fix' should give you better repair strength, just be sure to make the pins flush to the ball surface or inset a tiny bit and cover them with glue then sand flush & smooth.

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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby jprime69 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:30 pm

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jprime69 wrote:
Kyleor wrote:You could do a pin repair. You cut a short piece of paper clip or thinner wire then drill a matching hole in both plastic pieces and glue them together with the pin inside. It's hard to drill a hole in the same spot for both sides but it makes a strong joint. You could use a different type of glue, a little bit of plastic compatible epoxy would be stronger than super glue. Or what used to be called 'airplane glue', glue meant for use on plastic models, not the 'non-toxic' stuff, the real kind that you need a window open to use so you don't get high while using it. The good stuff bonds/melts the plastic together so only use a little.


Thanks for the advice. Sounds simple enough.

Hypothetically, will that allow for complete and independent movement of the legs?


I kept meaning to draw this (it's busy season at work). If I'm understanding the break correctly it's the blue area in the picture. If you can get the ball part out of the socket then the 'long pin fix' should give you better repair strength, just be sure to make the pins flush to the ball surface or inset a tiny bit and cover them with glue then sand flush & smooth.

repair.jpg


Thanks Kyleor, your detailed diagram makes me wish the breakage was the ball joint instead of what it really is.

In actuality, the damage looks like this.
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I have been doing research on two part epoxy and it would seem that I can just glue the disc at the end of the ball joint to the center crotch piece and pray that it bonds secure enough so that the ball joint itself will have full range of motion without dislodging the disc. Feel free to add your opinion. I'm hoping to have the materials soon so that I may attempt the fix this weekend.

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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby Kyleor » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:51 pm

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jprime69 wrote:
Kyleor wrote:
jprime69 wrote:
Kyleor wrote:You could do a pin repair. You cut a short piece of paper clip or thinner wire then drill a matching hole in both plastic pieces and glue them together with the pin inside. It's hard to drill a hole in the same spot for both sides but it makes a strong joint. You could use a different type of glue, a little bit of plastic compatible epoxy would be stronger than super glue. Or what used to be called 'airplane glue', glue meant for use on plastic models, not the 'non-toxic' stuff, the real kind that you need a window open to use so you don't get high while using it. The good stuff bonds/melts the plastic together so only use a little.


Thanks for the advice. Sounds simple enough.

Hypothetically, will that allow for complete and independent movement of the legs?


I kept meaning to draw this (it's busy season at work). If I'm understanding the break correctly it's the blue area in the picture. If you can get the ball part out of the socket then the 'long pin fix' should give you better repair strength, just be sure to make the pins flush to the ball surface or inset a tiny bit and cover them with glue then sand flush & smooth.

repair.jpg


Thanks Kyleor, your detailed diagram makes me wish the breakage was the ball joint instead of what it really is.

In actuality, the damage looks like this.
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I have been doing research on two part epoxy and it would seem that I can just glue the disc at the end of the ball joint to the center crotch piece and pray that it bonds secure enough so that the ball joint itself will have full range of motion without dislodging the disc. Feel free to add your opinion. I'm hoping to have the materials soon so that I may attempt the fix this weekend.

Thanks again.


Maybe you should preemptively 'break' the other side, then through pin and glue the whole thing back together.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby ClearlySane88 » Wed May 13, 2015 6:05 pm

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So, I just got my Protectobots today and, unfortunately, all except Rook seem to have little problems with their tabs in certain spots.

First Aid's legs won't tab in correctly.

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Blade's front end won't close all the way. Also, his legs are really hard to tab into his upper body correctly, though it's doable.

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And Street Wise's windshield won't clamp down all the way.

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Can anyone give me an idea on what I should do? Also, please excuse the messy desk, kind of a spur of the moment picture taking.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby Kyleor » Wed May 13, 2015 8:19 pm

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ClearlySane88 wrote:So, I just got my Protectobots today and, unfortunately, all except Rook seem to have little problems with their tabs in certain spots.

First Aid's legs won't tab in correctly.

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Blade's front end won't close all the way. Also, his legs are really hard to tab into his upper body correctly, though it's doable.

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And Street Wise's windshield won't clamp down all the way.

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Can anyone give me an idea on what I should do? Also, please excuse the messy desk, kind of a spur of the moment picture taking.


Whenever I have issues like those it's usually because some part isn't properly folded or tucked or aligned just right and it messes up other parts fitting right. Youtube review/show-off videos may help.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby MelRains » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:54 am

I ordered the Generations versions of Inferno and Grapple from ebay. They were loose but seem to be in excellent condition except, Grapple's head won't flip up. It's stuck in its vehicle mode configuration.

From what I can tell, it seems like maybe the little plastic lip that holds his head panel down is too long.. making it impossible for it to slip past.

I also have the Hotspot version of this mold and neither he nor Inferno have this problem at all. And let me tell you Grapple's head is stuuuuuck. I put A LOT of pressure on that panel; far more than I'm usually willing to put on a toy.

Any one have any ideas? or has anyone run into this on any version of this mold?
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:48 pm

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MelRains wrote:I ordered the Generations versions of Inferno and Grapple from ebay. They were loose but seem to be in excellent condition except, Grapple's head won't flip up. It's stuck in its vehicle mode configuration.

From what I can tell, it seems like maybe the little plastic lip that holds his head panel down is too long.. making it impossible for it to slip past.

I also have the Hotspot version of this mold and neither he nor Inferno have this problem at all. And let me tell you Grapple's head is stuuuuuck. I put A LOT of pressure on that panel; far more than I'm usually willing to put on a toy.

Any one have any ideas? or has anyone run into this on any version of this mold?


Flipping up the head manually is not what you're supposed to do. Rather, you need to pull on the left side light on the roof, as that's the trigger for the catch holding the head.
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

Postby MelRains » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:13 pm

Flipping up the head manually is not what you're supposed to do. Rather, you need to pull on the left side light on the roof, as that's the trigger for the catch holding the head.


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How long has it been like this? Always? ..okay...

Still weird that Hotspot and Inferno always flipped over so easily and I couldn't for the life of me budge Grapple. Oh well..
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Re: Transformers Workshop (Maintenance & Repair)

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MelRains wrote:How long has it been like this? Always? ..okay...

Still weird that Hotspot and Inferno always flipped over so easily and I couldn't for the life of me budge Grapple. Oh well..


It's ok, I made the same mistake when I first got Henkei Inferno. It's not that well documented, it seems :)
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