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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Rated X » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:09 am

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DISCHARGE wrote:He definitely looks more Classics than Shattered Glass,
Well, there are a handful of SG characters who, instead of having familiar bodies with reverse colors, have different bodies with familiar colors. Galvatron, Jazz, Alpha Trion, etc.



The Botcon 2007 Alpha Trion figure was not classified as "Shattered Glass". The SG concept came out a year later in 2008. Now if they started using SG stories in the comics before Botcon 2008, I honestly wouldnt know.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Rated X » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:14 am

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Rated X wrote:Looks good, I like it. But if it is indeed meant to be shattered glass, shouldnt it be SG Seaspray AKA Octopunch ??? Kinda like SG Tracks AKA Road Rage ???
Cuz there's already a SG Seaspray (whose design is repurposed from movie Storm Surge).
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TF wiki says Storm Surge is a Target exclusive, not a Botcon exclusive. Since I have never read the comic, are you saying Target based this repaint on a SG character ???
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Blurrz » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:19 am

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Rated X wrote:The Botcon 2007 Alpha Trion figure was not classified as "Shattered Glass". The SG concept came out a year later in 2008. Now if they started using SG stories in the comics before Botcon 2008, I honestly wouldnt know.



Rated X wrote:TF wiki says Storm Surge is a Target exclusive, not a Botcon exclusive. Since I have never read the comic, are you saying Target based this repaint on a SG character ???


Rather both those figures and many others were repurposed into SG fiction.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby zodconvoy » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:04 am

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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Delicon » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:27 am

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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby GetRightRobot » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:30 am

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You know, seeing him next to G1 Octopunch, Ducktopunch doesn't seem so bad. I don't see any indication of SG other than the red Decepticon logo, which for me, is a good thing. Slap a real Decepticon logo on him and we have ourselves and acceptable classics Pretender.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Tigertrack » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:45 am

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I may get him. He's looking decent. Especially if he is paired with the right 'other toy'.

But the ducks need to come off...
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby DISCHARGE » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:49 am

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zodconvoy wrote:Here's a list of repurposed Heroic Decepticons and one of Evil Autobots.



Doesn't mean a whole lot to re-purpose Autobots and Decepticons into a theme if people don't read the media or even care about the theme.

I don't buy it anyway, Shattered Glass needs to follow the basic themes, and one of them is swapping the colors of the factions. I mean these go back as far as Beast Machines Tigertron? WTF!? That's garbage. Basically you can just say that any recolor is Shattered Glass and BOOM! you got yourself an army of evil Autobots.

In media I'm fine with, that's laying down some mythology for people to read in to. But as official toys, I may be old school, when the corporate suits have their Chinese orphans working 18 hours a day stamp or sticker or however they wanna do it, a Transformer is labeled that faction 4Life.

If people want to take toys out of their own collection and re-purpose that's fine too, do what you want with your toys, but all of a sudden Fun Pub wants to write them into a story and they are officially Shattered Glass toys, it's just gonna cause headaches.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Marcdachamp » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:52 am

Once you see the ducks, you really can't unsee them. :lol:

Still, this is a pretty solid repaint. They really nailed the colors.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Andrius » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:41 am

Marcdachamp wrote:Once you see the ducks, you really can't unsee them. :lol:


Makes me think of this:

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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby GuyIncognito » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:06 pm

O, I C D ducks! M R ducks!
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby El Duque » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:01 pm

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Once you see the duck there really is no unseeing them. How on Earth did the designer of that deco not see them?
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby zodconvoy » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:06 pm

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zodconvoy wrote:Here's a list of repurposed Heroic Decepticons and one of Evil Autobots.



Doesn't mean a whole lot to re-purpose Autobots and Decepticons into a theme if people don't read the media or even care about the theme.

I don't buy it anyway, Shattered Glass needs to follow the basic themes, and one of them is swapping the colors of the factions. I mean these go back as far as Beast Machines Tigertron? WTF!? That's garbage. Basically you can just say that any recolor is Shattered Glass and BOOM! you got yourself an army of evil Autobots.

In media I'm fine with, that's laying down some mythology for people to read in to. But as official toys, I may be old school, when the corporate suits have their Chinese orphans working 18 hours a day stamp or sticker or however they wanna do it, a Transformer is labeled that faction 4Life.

If people want to take toys out of their own collection and re-purpose that's fine too, do what you want with your toys, but all of a sudden Fun Pub wants to write them into a story and they are officially Shattered Glass toys, it's just gonna cause headaches.


FunPub isn't changing anything about the original intent Hasbro had for the toy or character. They're offering existing fill-ins for characters they know they aren't going to get to. Plus, if they use a character in a prose story, readers are naturally going to want to know what the character looks like and some are going to want to put one on display with the real Shattered Glass figures. So they have two choices: create a character with no toy and be called bastards for not giving people the, say, Shattered Glass Huffer they want or say that the black version of Armorhide (who they already used as Huffer themselves) was evil Huffer and move on with their lives.

It doesn't change the original toy, it just gives the option to the people who want it.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Mkall » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:56 pm

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zodconvoy wrote:It doesn't change the original toy, it just gives the option to the people who want it.

Aye, if it wasn't for some of their SG characterisations, I would not have gotten some figures.

Black Huffer is an awesome figure
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby DISCHARGE » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:57 pm

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Mkall wrote:
zodconvoy wrote:It doesn't change the original toy, it just gives the option to the people who want it.

Aye, if it wasn't for some of their SG characterisations, I would not have gotten some figures.

Black Huffer is an awesome figure



Maybe I'm not reading your post right, but it sounds like you wouldn't have been interested in the toy if someone else hadn't been able to give you the insight of what it could be. And regardless of how good said toy is you would never know with out the re-purposing.

Has it really come down to a group like Fun Pub to tell us what is what in the toy collective? It's one thing when fans and TF forum posters express what they do with toys from a past line. When Fun Pub does it they are just messing with continuity. Like I said, maybe I'm just looking at it from an old school perspective.
Using a Universe connotation is one thing, or even Timelines, to encompass all Transformers into one big collective or mythos. But when you use the clubs Jetfire repaint Astrotrain and say it is now Shattered Glass it gets a little confusing and pointless, what with a huge purple Con tag stamped on his bay doors. So now he is Shattered Glass Shattered Glass where the opposite is the opposite of the opposite? (meaning that the tag colors would not be reversed they would stay the same, but the moral grounds they stand on would still be the opposite ie: Evil Autobots-red\Heroic Decepticons-purple)

zodconvoy wrote: So they have two choices: create a character with no toy and be called bastards for not giving people the, say, Shattered Glass Huffer they want or say that the black version of Armorhide (who they already used as Huffer themselves) was evil Huffer and move on with their lives.


By not using a character that exists in a previous line it allows them to build upon their own idea of Shattered Glass\Timelines and offer them as actual club offerings in terms of repaints exclusive to club members and convention attendees. Something that the club should recognize for themselves.
All re-purposing does is help fuel the ebay sales of the listed re-purposed figures and give people generic Shattered glass figures in their collections.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Rated X » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:16 pm

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Wow you guys are digging a little too deep into the whole Shattered Glass concept. I hope some guy from Funpub isnt reading these posts and saying give em more repaints because they cant get enough of them on the forums. I have a couple KO shattered glass figures that I use as "Cybertronian Decpeticons". I dont really like the SG concept because it just seems too "comic bookish" to be used on the big screen or a TV mini-series.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:30 pm

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Rated X wrote:Wow you guys are digging a little too deep into the whole Shattered Glass concept. I hope some guy from Funpub isnt reading these posts and saying give em more repaints because they cant get enough of them on the forums. I have a couple KO shattered glass figures that I use as "Cybertronian Decpeticons". I dont really like the SG concept because it just seems too "comic bookish" to be used on the big screen or a TV mini-series.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby El Duque » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:44 pm

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So if I grow a fu manchu I can become Shattered Glass El Duque? Interesting...............
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby LOST Cybertronian » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:49 pm

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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:51 pm

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There's also Megatron and Swindle, but we don't know what they look like.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Mkall » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:51 pm

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zodconvoy wrote:It doesn't change the original toy, it just gives the option to the people who want it.

Aye, if it wasn't for some of their SG characterisations, I would not have gotten some figures.

Black Huffer is an awesome figure



Maybe I'm not reading your post right, but it sounds like you wouldn't have been interested in the toy if someone else hadn't been able to give you the insight of what it could be. And regardless of how good said toy is you would never know with out the re-purposing.

Nope, that's an accurate statement. I was high after Botcon '08 with Shattered Glass and wanted to increase the universe, I got and used the Black Huffer as well as other repaints to fill it. I had the Huffer mold from before with Botcon '07 Huffer and Cybertron Armorhide (My Classics Pipes) before so I know from experience what a good mold it is. I just didn't have the justification to get Black Huffer until SG came out.
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby GetRightRobot » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:16 pm

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I like how facial hair is becoming a calling card of Shattered Glass. O M G, I just had a great idea for a custom! Shave my Armada Unicron's face, turn his horns down and color him like a pack Skittles! :lol:
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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:27 pm

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GetRightRobot wrote:I like how facial hair is becoming a calling card of Shattered Glass.
All thanks to Mirror Universe Spock.
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Unicron cannot ever have an SG counterpart due to his being a Multiversal Singularity.

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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby GetRightRobot » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:30 pm

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GetRightRobot wrote:I like how facial hair is becoming a calling card of Shattered Glass.
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Unicron cannot ever have an SG counterpart due to his being a Multiversal Singularity.

On a relate note, the SG Transformers never knew of Primus until Classics Cliffjumper told them about him, in which Primus was described to them as a benevolent creator.



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Re: BotCon 2012 Octopunch Image

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:35 pm

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To be honest, I still haven't read any of the SG stories, myself (still stuck in the Marvel UK Annuals). I've seen bits and pieces of the stories, but not them in full from start to finish.
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