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[craggy]

Here's the dumb thing, though: I can see their beef against direct competition: toys. I can't see their beef against fan art or fan crafts, because they're actually not LOSING any money. If they're not selling a competitive product, they are losing NOTHING.

allow me to play "unicron's lawyer" for a second...
But I'm pretty sure Hasbro can in some way claim to be losing money off Joe Bloggs drawing a nice picture of Starscream and selling it for $5. Hasbro sell a license to IDW to create comic books, which are essentially paper with pictures of transformers on them. I'd suspect, although haven't actually seen any lately, that IDW or a 3rd party have a license to create art prints and posters and stuff featuring the art from those comics, and I'm fairly certain there must be some company somewhere getting paid to produce posters featuring the movie renders of Prime and Bumblebee, that are clogging up space in stores across the land as we speak.

This sort of corporate BS isn't new. The Mouse recently hit an old man with a lawsuit because he was selling Ghost Rider prints. The man was Gary Friedrich who cannot be legally named as the creator of Ghost Rider, because Herr Disney got a court order to stop such identification being made. That's in an industry that publishes the names of the creators of the work (which is done on a work for hire contract, same as IDW's comics, or Takara's toy engineering) on the covers of the products. You think Hasbro, who very rarely identify or acknowledge their designers, are going to go any easier on people?

[Che]

=P

[G1 Legacy]

GetRightRobot wrote:

I'm going to BOO the S**T outa these people at the panels. Wanna join in?

Dude, I AM SO THERE with you on that sentiment. I am SO exhausted at this point with this continuing series of setbacks as we get closer and closer to Botcon weekend. My biggest complaint that I mentioned weeks ago in another thread (Re: 3rd Party Ban) is why for the love of god are they waiting until THIS close to the actual function to implement these stupid-ass new rules AFTER everyone has pre-paid and gotten their financial commitments paid out and all types of other travel "ducks in a row". You don't advertise a function with the plan of serving "A" and then on the actual date in question change the plan to then serve "B". After I said that before in the other thread, someone on here disagreed and said they thought Hasbro had a right to do whatever they wanted on whatever time scale they chose, and thats fine if you wanna think that. But anyone that knows anything about taking care of your customer base can tell you that Hasbro is making a huge mistake this year with how they are choosing to implement all of these new protocols this late in the game. I've gotten used to Botcon being a certain way and if it's not going to be that way anymore then I'm probobly not going anymore.
I'm already committed to going this year and have made all these plans but I gotta be honest, it's looking like things are building up to be a big 'ol suck fest with plenty of SUCK. With gas going up at the rate that it is, I don't wanna drive all the way from Tallahassee to Dallas and back again just to have to sit through all of this "panel drama" and reduced market place and item availability. I really feel bad for the people spending more money than me on hotels and airfare. This whole situation seems to be getting out of hand at the last minute. At this point I'm mainly going to meet the people that will be there and for the gathering in general, it'll be nice to put a name and face togetheir for alot of the community members here.

I'm gonna wait and see how the site moderators and heiarchy of Seibertron decide to handle this as a group. I have a feeling that I'm not the only one who is feeling perturbed at this point.

Way to go Hasblow....way to go.

[Kibble]

Actually some game companies tried to stop people from re-selling their games. Some suggested making the games kind of a console bound. Meaning that once you put the game inside your console it is registered to that particular console only and basically you couldn't sell it forward. But I think that this didn't quite work. Don't remember all the details, but I guess it was against some laws and such.

Really? Never heard of that story.

My guess is that is to prevent software piracy, as I can imagine it's pretty easy to copy games onto a blank cartridge or disk if you have the right equipment. With us in the Netherlands we're pretty strict on software sales: exchange within 24 hours, or if it has a one-use activation code, no exchange at all.

I actually have a couple of DS games like that. To activate the games online functionality it registered the game/console combination so I can never use that cartridge online in different console or with a different user account.

EA is leading the way for a total ban on all used game sales with the idea that every time someone buys a used game they lose a new copy sale
And I think it's Warner Bro's who is trying to do the same with movies

So what happens when your console shits out and you have to buy a new one? Your games no longer work? That seems like a bunch of BS...

[JelZe GoldRabbit]

Actually some game companies tried to stop people from re-selling their games. Some suggested making the games kind of a console bound. Meaning that once you put the game inside your console it is registered to that particular console only and basically you couldn't sell it forward. But I think that this didn't quite work. Don't remember all the details, but I guess it was against some laws and such.

Really? Never heard of that story.

My guess is that is to prevent software piracy, as I can imagine it's pretty easy to copy games onto a blank cartridge or disk if you have the right equipment. With us in the Netherlands we're pretty strict on software sales: exchange within 24 hours, or if it has a one-use activation code, no exchange at all.

I actually have a couple of DS games like that. To activate the games online functionality it registered the game/console combination so I can never use that cartridge online in different console or with a different user account.

EA is leading the way for a total ban on all used game sales with the idea that every time someone buys a used game they lose a new copy sale
And I think it's Warner Bro's who is trying to do the same with movies

So what happens when your console shits out and you have to buy a new one? Your games no longer work? That seems like a bunch of BS...

Only the online functions, like Net Play. But that's beside the point of this thread.

[T-Macksimus]

GetRightRobot wrote:

I'm going to BOO the S**T outa these people at the panels. Wanna join in?

Dude, I AM SO THERE with you on that sentiment. I am SO exhausted at this point with this continuing series of setbacks as we get closer and closer to Botcon weekend. My biggest complaint that I mentioned weeks ago in another thread (Re: 3rd Party Ban) is why for the love of god are they waiting until THIS close to the actual function to implement these stupid-ass new rules AFTER everyone has pre-paid and gotten their financial commitments paid out and all types of other travel "ducks in a row". You don't advertise a function with the plan of serving "A" and then on the actual date in question change the plan to then serve "B". After I said that before in the other thread, someone on here disagreed and said they thought Hasbro had a right to do whatever they wanted on whatever time scale they chose, and thats fine if you wanna think that. But anyone that knows anything about taking care of your customer base can tell you that Hasbro is making a huge mistake this year with how they are choosing to implement all of these new protocols this late in the game. I've gotten used to Botcon being a certain way and if it's not going to be that way anymore then I'm probobly not going anymore.
I'm already committed to going this year and have made all these plans but I gotta be honest, it's looking like things are building up to be a big 'ol suck fest with plenty of SUCK. With gas going up at the rate that it is, I don't wanna drive all the way from Tallahassee to Dallas and back again just to have to sit through all of this "panel drama" and reduced market place and item availability. I really feel bad for the people spending more money than me on hotels and airfare. This whole situation seems to be getting out of hand at the last minute. At this point I'm mainly going to meet the people that will be there and for the gathering in general, it'll be nice to put a name and face togetheir for alot of the community members here.

I'm gonna wait and see how the site moderators and heiarchy of Seibertron decide to handle this as a group. I have a feeling that I'm not the only one who is feeling perturbed at this point.

Way to go Hasblow....way to go.

Without going back and checking I believe I may have been that a-hole (my word, not yours) that said that Hasbro had the right to do this and on their time scale and I stand by that remark. It doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks, it's a fact. It's perfectly legal and can be upheld in a court of law. They don't have to disclose jack-diddly-squat. HOWEVER...I never said that I or anyone else had to like that fact. Yeah it does suck for those who made plans but let's face it, for all the platitudes given, for all the "nods" to the G1 fans or anyone else, you are all...just...statistics. Each and every one of us is a percentage on a chart at the annual stock-holders meeting and we, as older fans and collectors are not the largest percentage on that chart. At the point where any of you seriously start to think we matter that much, you might want to consider a psychiatric evaluation. The consideration that they do give us is because we are the consumers that are bringing the next generation of consumers into the market so they just throw some of their obscene profits into dangling a tasty piece of cheese in front of the mouse hole to lure us out and hope that we bring our baby mice out with us. That's it! Like I've said before, we don't have to like it but it is what it is and it's only going to get worse so you either roll with it or decide to walk away from the whole thing now, cut your losses and kiss your hobby goodbye forever. Your choice, Hasbro doesn't give a rats-ass either way.

[Botch the Crab]

I would have thought the best way to fight the third-party toys is to actually compete with them.

Quoted for truth!

[craggy]

I think a lot of us have had enough of Hasbro trying to put their cheese in our mouse-holes.

[Stryfe Convoy]

Ok...

Here's something for anyone who knows the legal system to either answer or confirm. Was Botcon advertised to sell anything in the artist's alley? I don't know. Was Botcon advertised to have vendors sell Transformers products at the convention? Yes. Does third party products fall under Transformers products? No. Was Botcon advertised to be a convention where the fans can get together and be fans, and share all that being a fan of Transformers is? I'd like to think so. Here's the kicker. How many fans are going to be there and all happy and grateful with all of these changes in the rules for attending Botcon? Isn't this false advertisement? If not Hasbro themselves, could FunPub face these repercussions? Obviously, there are a lot of people who are upset about this, but could there be more at stake then just the fandom being royally upset?

Also, what can we really do to change it? As many people have already posted, there are no chances of getting refunds. Having the 'entire' fandom show up and start booing and heckling Hasbro and/or FunPub is only gonna make them stop holding the convention. Then what? Dairycon and TFCon are great conventions from what I've read here on the site, but they don't have the resources that Hasbro brings to the table. The exclusives from Dairycon are great, but they won't bring anything like the original Shattered Glass set, or the Games of Deception set.

This is becoming a very sticky situation, and I'm afraid that we might lose more than just the convention, but we might lose all of the news sites we all visit, including Seibertron.com... I'm just putting that out there, because Hasbro can sure try and do that...

This isn't good business on anyone's part...

[Vicalliose]

I believe certain statistics are based on Hasbro's ENTIRE toy lineup. I don't think we're quite insignificant to Transformers sales specifically. Kids are eclectic little bags of short attention span, the majority of them probably only buying a few Transformers and a hole bunch of other random stuff in between. Where as collectors almost strictly focus on Transformers, and get them in huge amounts, shelves lined with the things.

If the tiniest little financial loss matters to Hasbro, such as 3rd party companies and fan artists which ONLY appeal to collectors, then they are going about this all wrong.

As for this fan art ban nonsense. Call all the purchases "donations" instead of "sales". People donate to fan artists all the time on DA right? Ah no, I'm sure lawyers have something to prevent that as well...