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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Dammitman » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:52 pm

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Unicron's heralds in the comic were Galvatron, Scourge, Dirge, Thunderwing, and Bludgeon. :D



I remember Galvatron and Thunderwing. I also remember Scourge as one of Galvatrons lieutenants but not the others. Were they heralds in other sources other than G1 cartoon and comics? There was also the trio Hook, Line, and Sinker who Galvatron later destroyed.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:59 pm

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Dammitman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Unicron's heralds in the comic were Galvatron, Scourge, Dirge, Thunderwing, and Bludgeon. :D



I remember Galvatron and Thunderwing. I also remember Scourge as one of Galvatrons lieutenants but not the others. Were they heralds in other sources other than G1 cartoon and comics? There was also the trio Hook, Line, and Sinker who Galvatron later destroyed.
Twas the Armada comic from Dreamwave they were talking about and what I was responding to.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Blurrz » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:55 pm

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Dammitman wrote:I was listening to several of your podcasts at work when you were discussing Fall of Cybertron game. The issue of Slag/Slug came up and I wanted to point out that Borderlands 2 came out shortly after FoC and it too was released in the UK and they did not change their Slag weapons to Slug weapons. So, What does High Moon have to say to THAT!?
"Slag to Slug" was most likely a Hasbro mandate since it's a name that would appear in things beyond the video game. Should they made a toy of Slug, UK children would be buying a toy whose name is slur word if Hasbro had left it as "Slag".

It'd be no different if Hasbro made a Transformers toy named "Whore" in the U.S. They can't use those kinds of name without causing trouble.

Besides, FOC has a weapon called a "Slagmaker" (cannon, I think?). In that case, it's a name that, like the Borderlands 2 Slag weapons, most likely will remain in the game and will not be applied to children's merchandise. Therefore, it's usable in that regard.


Plus Borderlands 2 is a M rated game, while FOC is rated T.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Dammitman » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:37 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Using a single defined name in everything creates a better sense of unity and uniformity across multiple media formats and global markets, which is a much better and smarter business practice than to otherwise use inconsistency with the name. ;)

Not to mention that this isn't G1 Slag anyway. :-B


I agree. Staying consistent is better but the way I see it, When they changed that character's name to Slug they failed to remain consistent. Your comment that it wasn't G1 Slag just affirms that viewpoint.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:03 pm

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Dammitman wrote:I agree. Staying consistent is better but the way I see it, When they changed that character's name to Slug they failed to remain consistent. Your comment that it wasn't G1 Slag just affirms that viewpoint.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Dammitman » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:35 pm

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Your comment pretty much says it all. "...It's not G1 Slag." Therefore Slag hasn't consistently kept his name. It's like Prince changing his name to a "Formerly known" or Snoop Dogg calling himself Snoop Lion or Darth Vader, instead of being a bad ass becoming a whiny puss. (although I don't think the Vader one was a good analogy but there it is.) I understand what is being said about why they changed the name but afterall there are still plenty of Americans out there named "Dick" regardless of what slang has made it out to be. So to me Hasbro, High Moon, or whoever is just copping out.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:47 pm

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Dammitman wrote:Your comment pretty much says it all. "...It's not G1 Slag." Therefore Slag hasn't consistently kept his name. It's like Prince changing his name to a "Formerly known" or Snoop Dogg calling himself Snoop Lion or Darth Vader, instead of being a bad ass becoming a whiny puss. (although I don't think the Vader one was a good analogy but there it is.) I understand what is being said about why they changed the name but afterall there are still plenty of Americans out there named "Dick" regardless of what slang has made it out to be. So to me Hasbro, High Moon, or whoever is just copping out.
I still don't follow. If Slug is a separate character from Slag, how does Slug's name affect the consistency of Slag's name?
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Dammitman » Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:08 pm

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I don't see how Slug is a seperate character. Dinobot. Transforms into a Triceratops. Loves to fight. Flamethrower. How is it not Slag? The rest of the other Dinobots remained consistent, with the exception of the "Animated" series where they called Slag, Snarl, and left out Sludge and the Stegosaurus who was supposed to be Snarl.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:23 pm

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Dammitman wrote:I don't see how Slug is a seperate character. Dinobot. Transforms into a Triceratops. Loves to fight. Flamethrower. How is it not Slag? The rest of the other Dinobots remained consistent, with the exception of the "Animated" series where they called Slag, Snarl, and left out Sludge and the Stegosaurus who was supposed to be Snarl.
Different continuity = different character.

This Grimlock isn't the same guy as G1 Grimlock, just as Animated Grimlock wasn't the same guy as G1 Grimlock, etc.

These games are unrelated to G1, so its characters aren't the same guys as the G1 characters they pay homage to.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Dammitman » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:49 am

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I don't believe that is true. The Cybertron games are the prequel to the G1 continuity. These are the characters before they crashed to Earth. The similarities Are almost identical to say they are not the same character is ludicrous. I'm sure as future games develop, If High Moon decides to continue the franchise, We will see a convergence to the G1 continuity with some minor inclusions to give a nod to the Armada, Cybertron, RID, etc. Fanbase as well as clean up some of the 80's camp and maybe even modernize the styles to match the generations (classics) toy lines bringing Transformers full circle to its origins.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:08 am

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Dammitman wrote:I don't believe that is true. The Cybertron games are the prequel to the G1 continuity.
And this right here is the root of your confusion.

"Being heavily inspired by and paying homage to G1" is not the same as "being G1".

These games are not G1 games, nor are they meant to tie into any existing G1 continuity.

Read this to see why - http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family

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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Dammitman » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:30 pm

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Sorry. I'm not buying it. Putting polish on original characters and not saying it's the original doesn't make it so. I don't trust wiki as source material no matter how acurate it may be it is not authentic. The idea you are trying to get across sounds to me like saying the Ultimate universe isn't Marvel. Granted the characters are no longer what they were essentially at it's core they are the same character. Wolverine is still Wolverine even though he is now a foot taller and goes by the name James instead of Logan. Some changes are good and can be accepted and sometimes makes for an even more interesting character but changing a characters name because it offends someone somewhere else to me is completely stupid. Changing Slag to Slug is up there with saying Happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas.

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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:37 pm

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Believe it or not, these games are Aligned Continuity games, not G1 games.

Not to mention that the whole Rage of the Dinobots comic mini-series is specifically made to be bot ha sequel to FOC and a prequel to TF: Prime season 3, helping to bridge the gap between the two.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode #58 "Armada"

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Dammitman wrote:I don't believe that is true. The Cybertron games are the prequel to the G1 continuity. These are the characters before they crashed to Earth.


Actually, the Cybertron games are the prequel to Prime and Rescue Bots, not G1. Exodus, WFC, FoC, Exiles, Prime, and Rescue Bots are all part of the Aligned continuity in order of events.

The similarities Are almost identical to say they are not the same character is ludicrous


Similarities don't make it the same character. Armada Optimus and G1 Optimus are both Optimus, but they are different guys. So G1 Slag and Prime Slug are different characters.
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