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[Delta Magnus]

Now if they make this with deluxes as well, I will be very very happy.

For now, though, I will try and buy 2 more Divebombs and 1 more Cruellock and complete my Energon Abominus.

[Flux Convoy]

It's cool that they combine. The separate Terrorcon modes are fantastic though. I think I'm getting this. Abominus doesn't get enough love. I'm happy to see these guys.

[partholon]

oh hell yeah !

i dont buy the toys in general anymore as im more of a comics guys now but i was intending to get twinstrike (sinnertwin) as i liked the look of em but now that i know theres to be a combiner homage to abominus ?

im in for the lot.

this'll be the first stuff ive bought since revenge of the fallen.

ok we'd all rather they were deluxes ala the fall of cybertron combaticons but even so this'll still look cool on my desk.

[Rated X]

I might actually buy this. Sucks that its leigons though. Would ne a nice homage to have even if it is TF Prime.

[RiddlerJ]

YRRRRAAAAHHHHHH!

Every time I think I'm done, they put out a batch of awesome like this.

I have to stay of TF sites, that's all. I need to go cold turkey.

[Blurrz]

Lol Cyberverse zzz

[MightyMagnus78]

This thing is bad-ass IMO. I'm definitely getting two, one for me one for my boy.

His will slot very nicely into his Cyberverse Prime collection, and mine will go straight on the shelf next to PCC Grimstone.

[Handels-Messerschmitt]

I was moderately optimistic about some more terrorcons or at least decent beast legions figures but this kind of blows my expectations completely out of the water. The combined mode does look dorky and it's up in the air whether it'll be remotely stable but that legions class terrorcons are even happening at all is ridic enough for me. Beast Hunters is totally justified now as far as I am concerned.

[Cybershark]

You know I really want to be Happy about this, I really do. But its once again a total Hasbro FAIL to Not deliver what the fans want

Yes, because Hasbro is totally obligated to give the fans exactly what they want each and every time. How dare they not cater strictly to the demands of the collectors instead of their primary demographic of children.

But yet they still put their time into "legion" size garbage?

Opinion, not fact.

And even the transformation is spindly(hands Im talking about you? lol) and the size/scale is off?

There's a proper scale guide to be followed for imaginary/mythological monsters?

Plus no hands again or feet, just stuff that barely resembles them?

Totally saw this nitpick coming.

I dunno about any of you on this board. Im sure a lot of you are new enough or just love ANYTHING Hasbro puts out,Ive seen it Ive argued it.

Way to generalize the forum, man.

But they are failing tremendously in the USA with the sparce product and poor quality of toys we do get!! Especially since Hasbro up and stopped putting out product after the DOTM first line( and didnt go through with the rest of the DOTM line and abandoned it

I don't know about your stores, but all mine saw each and every wave of DOTM that was released and STILL haven't gotten rid of them all yet.

Only things that didn't get released by Hasbro in the West were the final four DOTM figures (three Deluxes and a Human Alliance set), which, compared to the sheer amount that did come out and still lingers to this day, is not that large a quantity by comparison.

Fans, Collectors only have so much money to spend on Transformers OR 3rd party Transformers, and when those 3rd parties cost a small mint to buy and are easily 10 times Better then Hasbro's? Dont you think Hasbro would understand that they are going to LOSE a massive chunk of change in the market this year as well as future years if they do not step it up??

Not when the older collectors consist of less than 10% of those who buy Hasbro's product. Take us away and Hasbro still survives.

For the first time in 20 years I didnt buy ALL the Transformers!! And I HAD every store bought main line Transformer made from 1984 til 2011. Including Japanese and Euro release!!

Oh, boo hoo! You think everyone else is as rich as you to be able to do that? Really? Some of us can only dream of getting a completed store bought main line, or even half of one. Others would GLADLY be in your position. You were able to buy every single available toy, and even ones from foreign markets, and you expect those of us less fortunate to feel SORRY for you?

Screw it, Im not buying crappy toys anymore. You want to make good stuff Im all on board but there are A LOT of people that feel just like I do right now as well.

Whoopie, more good for us, then.

Just a small Rant since nobody else ever seems to want to be negative about their "precious" Transformers toys,

Prime Deluxe Airachnid. Your argument is invalid.

but Hasbro better WAKE UP!! Because a lot of us "old" collectors (Ive been collecting them since the 80's) are fed up and are spending our money on 3rd party Gold this year rather then waiting months and months for some lame overpriced beast Hunters deluxes or legion sized figures!!

Meanwhile, the rest of us middle-class citizens cry ourselves to sleep every night for not being able to afford truckloads of 3rd Party products.

YOU are precisely the Prime example of "forum nazi" or just a forum Punk? that kisses Hasbro's ass because you feel special that ANY transformer product is out at all (Prime Airachnia aside, pffftt). You are the same type of person that you were so upset about me speaking of, when you thought I generalized "everyone" on here. It's even funnier that You spouted off first!! So while you have to "go through every inch of my "rant" and TRY to make me look wrong about everything while you make yourself look cool or smart to your "forum buddies". I assure you kid, while your playing in your mommy's basement with your "legion" or "cyberverse" toys that you crave so rabidly I CAN at least have a decent life outside of this realm you live behind your keyboard tough guy persona!! You are neither "cool" nor are you "smart". If you take everything I said to be exactly as written you miss the entire point!!

I'm sorry but Hasbro's line stateside has not being doing so well the last few years. I could go through EVERY "bullet" point you TRIED to cover but I'm not going to play "games" with children on a Transformers forum!! Just like you pointed out that I used "opinion" in my rant I too point out to you that several of your "retorts" were nothing but "opinions" as well!! I also used honesty and facts too. Who cares really? So instead of ADDING to the discussion or trying to advance it along you would rather argue over EVERYTHING 1 guy says because you were just so "offended" by it?? Do you work for Hasbro or something? If not then get OVER yourself!!

And btw I'm not a "rich' guy, like You ASSUMED, I live comfortably and I can chose to buy what I want. You seemed to lump me in a certain "class" after I said what I did about my collecting habits. The ONLY reason I went on to discuss my collecting is because I knew that a "forum nazi" such as your self would be the first to try to debase me or ask me if I even knew anything about Transformers before I spoke so badly of them,etc. There's Always at least 1 of you that has to spout off every time somebody doesn't just "LOVE" the latest toys or isn't happy with how things have been being run at Hasbro. I mean by all means keep paying more and getting Less quality product from Hasbro!!(God forbid anybody speak up and express real concern with a line they love and care about, because if they do the "forum nazis" will come out and try to be assholes instead of listening to what is actually being said) Keep watching them come out with SUPPOSED "Asia exclusives"(With quadruple bloated prices before even being imported)only to be released 6 months or maybe a year later to TRU or BBTS or mass retail after everybody has already paid double, triple because they didnt think they would ever be released stateside!!(First Edition Prime figures, the GDO figures, the new leader sized repainted Movie Brawl being houcked off for nearly $200 by BBTS, Im just giving you a FEW examples of recent practices that Hasbro is going to continue doing if we dont speak up, and Yes, those are aimed squarely at the hard core collectors ONLY!!).

So Sure kid, its all OUR fault for buying them because Hasbro didn't make us buy them for more did they? NO, they didnt I figured I better answer that question since you weren't "bright" enough to figure out that I already know the answers to some of my questions. The POINT is that Those are not "good" practices to keep doing to your fan/customer base!! They will keep pumping it out with only as you say "children" in mind. See that's another part where you have Your numbers very wrong. Transformers is unique as is Star Wars in how many Collectors it has compared to other lines that actually can dictate what they make,and how much they sell,etc. It is not like "Ben 10" and other almost exclusively "children" oriented toy lines. It is NOT a 90% childrens based line!! In fact several years ago they thought that sales on their line to the collector base were as high as 60%!! Now I dont know how accurate that assumption was or not. I dont care, I just know its a helluva lot higher then your average toy brand on the shelf. SO if I get 3rd party or I get Hasbro it doesn't matter as far as you and I go, my point was that the more I spend on 3rd party toys, it usually will equate to LESS being spent on Hasbro product. Just like if younger collectors that only have so much money to spend either because they are in HS or College, etc. chose to put that money towards a MMC combiner bot, well that very well could take up their entire years worth of toy budget!! that IS A BIG DEAL TO HASBRO!!! ITS HUGE!! Didnt you hear about how HASBRO WANTED TO BAN PEOPLE AT THE CON LAST YEAR IF THEY CARRIED 3RD PARTY TOYS, ETC? Sure it didnt work out that way but you know they wanted it to. And NO it doesn't mean simply it's "more hasbro toys for you"(Your wrong again, know it all). It means just another sale Hasbro missed out on. And even if You say I'm part of only 10% of a collectors base(you are wrong mind you)that percentage is NOT buying product PERIOD!! That IS the point!! Did you GET IT yet? Or do I need to get out some crayons and draw this thing out for you?? Try not acting like a "know it all" and you might not look like such a punk!!

[TK415]

Hasbro wants to move product, and a $50 gift pack (all Cyberverse) will likely be bought by both collector and kid/parent, whereas a $100 gift pack (all Deluxes) will primarily be bought by collectors.

An easy way to move the most product and to make collectors happy would be for Hasbro to sell the Cyberverse gift pack (with a Cyberverse Hun-grr) and then to sell a Deluxe Hun-grr that could combined with the Cyberverse limb toys. Sort of like an official/optional upgrade. Hasbro makes the same figure in different sizes anyway, so it wouldn’t be that much more effort for them. Easy solution that makes everybody happy.