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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:48 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:As for the Skywarp bit, isn't it obvious? You said it yourself. Their original plan was to make a purple and black space shuttle named Spacewarp.
Black?

GuyIncognito wrote:Sabrblade appeared to disagree with the suggestion that FunPub doesn't create "original characters", and responded thusly:

Sabrblade wrote:Fun Pub has created new character toys too:
Notice the "too" in my original response, indicating that I said that Fun Pub has created both new character toys and existing character toys.

GuyIncognito wrote:Now, Sabrblade's usage of the term "character toy" is confusing, as it combines two concepts in one.
I'll admit, that wording may have been a bit misleading. A less confusing phrasing would be "Fun Pub has created toys for new characters too."

GuyIncognito wrote:But the point I raised is that SOME of the example he listed, such as Buzzclaw and Astrotrain, are NOT examples of FubPub CREATING ORIGINAL CHARACTERS, but rather examples of them shoehorning (to borrow xyl360's term) existing characters into their fiction. Sabrblade appears to be arguing that FubPub's Buzzclaw and Astrotrain figures were, in fact, original characters created by FunPub.
They are, as they are portrayed quite differently than their namesakes. A character's personality and portrayal defines who they are, not their physical appearance.

Let's look at the Spacewarp example again. Had they acquired that name, he likely would have turned out to be the exact same kind of character Cyb. Astrotrain became. A bitter, cruel, independent bounty hunter who inspires loyalty in his small band of followers.

Then, let's say Spacewarp one day got into a fight that left his body badly injured. During the repair process, suppose he able to fix everything but his head. Seeking a replacement for this part, he bought a new noggin that resembled that of G1 Astrotrain. Liking the way this head looked on him, suppose that Spacewarp liked it so much that he went down to the Cybertronian legal name change center to file for a name change, in honor of the new of his new head. Now, Spacewarp has a new head and now goes by "Astrotrain", yet still continues to live the same life he always had, conducting business through bounty hunting and being loyal to his minions. Does this somehow make him a different person from how he was before his accident?

They did more than just "If you take an existing mold, repaint it in homage to an existing character, give it the same name as that existing character, align it with the same faction, and change some details of the bio/backstory" for those two.

For Buzzclaw, while they did keep the name for the mold, his deco looks nothing like BW Buzzclaw, he's has no affiliation to the Predacons (G1 or BW versions), and his bio in completely original, barely resembling that of BW Buzzclaw.

For Astrotrain, they took the Jetfire mold, gave it Spacewarp's colors, faction, and bio, and then threw an Astrotrain noggin and name on it. He's basically Astrotrain in name and head only, with everything else about him being all about Spacewarp.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby GuyIncognito » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:58 pm

We're just going to have to disagree and leave it at that. We clearly have different ideas about what constitutes "an original character". Not much sense in debating it anymore.

No hard feelings, I hope!
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:04 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:We're just going to have to disagree and leave it at that. We clearly have different ideas about what constitutes "an original character". Not much sense in debating it anymore.

No hard feelings, I hope!
None at all. ;) I actually found the whole experience intriguing and invigorating. :P

Though, I'm surprised neither of us thought to consult this page. :lol:
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BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Megaplex Revealed

Postby El Duque » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:12 pm

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The official BotCon 2013 website has revealed the fifth and final figure in this year's Machine Wars: Termination Box Set, Megaplex! The figure is a redeco of the Transformers Prime Robots in Disguise Voyager Dreadwing/Skyquake mold. Check him out in robot mode below.

Our 5th and final reveal for the 2013 MACHINE WARS: TERMINATION box set is the Clone Army Commander... MEGAPLEX! Utilizing a very popular voyager mold from the Transformers: Prime line, this figure is the perfect compliment to this years MACHINE WARS box set!

So, who exactly IS Megaplex and what is his origin? Megaplex was built by Jhiaxus as a clone of Megatron, copying the Decepticon tyrant's aggression, cunning, and battlefield skills into a brand new body ready for the modern age. Charged with leading an assault against the planet Cybertron and securing the heart of Jhiaxus' new, unified Cybertronian Empire, Megaplex uses the traits he has inherited from Megatron with chilling efficiency as he smashes through planetary defenses and culls the planet below. Check out the Con Exclusives page for this final figure reveal.

The Termination has begun! Don't miss out on this amzing MACHINE WARS box set, available exclusively through BotCon!


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Re: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Megaplex Revealed

Postby GuyIncognito » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:19 pm

So is he a clone of Megatron, or does he just share some personality traits? I'm confused. Sometimes I think they're using a customized version of Mad Libs to write these bios.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Megaplex Revealed

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:19 pm

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Ok, I retract my statement of Prime molds being too recent for use. :oops:

This really caught me by surprise, Prime Dreadwing of all things. But no new head mold? I was really hoping for one, but it seems that 4 is the limit for this set. It does work in fiction a bit though, as Wings Jhiaxus has made clones of G1 characters before, but with G2 Gobot (aka RiD Spychanger) bodies who looked anything but the real deal.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Megaplex Revealed

Postby PrymeStriker » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:21 pm

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Prime Dreadwing? They used an 6-month-old toy?

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Re: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Megaplex Revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:21 pm

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My only complaint is the lack of the Megatron head. I know four heads is the limit, but only Strika and maybe Hoist have really appealed to me thus far.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Megaplex Revealed

Postby El Duque » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:29 pm

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This set is doing absolutely nothing for me.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Megaplex Revealed

Postby Noideaforaname » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:32 pm

This set is kinda all over the place. It's Machine Wars, but they've included a few Beast Machine characters, and they're using molds from Movieverse, Classics, and now Prime.
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