megatronus wrote:shockblast2 wrote:william-james88 wrote:shockblast2 wrote:True on G2. I guess we have to go with it though because it was officially branded as such.
I don't think you can classify Classics, RTS, and Universe with Generations. The former was straight up recreations of G1 characters and was advertised as such, whereas Generations has become its own entity with the comics driving the fiction, which is entirely separate from G1. The first year of Geneerations was like Classics, but after FOC took over it changed.
So the recent Generations Leaders Jetfire and Megatron are not reinterpretations of the G1 characters as were the initial universe/classic releases of Jetfire and Megatron? Or are they testament that the generations line has rebooted what the classics line began? What about Arcee and Chromia? I do see how the line changed with FOC. But releases like Nightbeat and Roadbuster and the others mentioned above really feel like a continuation of the notion that the initial classics line had. Would you agree?
I can see why one would think that for some of the figures, like Roadbuster, Whirl, and Arcee. But ultimately I view them as a stand alone. The fact that Jhaxis, Waspinator, and Rhinox, among others, didn't even exist in G1 solidifies this for me. Which is great, because you can have new additions, like Alpha and Offroad, and totally disregard prior fiction that would have made his inclusion illogical.
I have been on both sides in my time with transformers. And I find the Classics style collecting very constraining. You have a set of rules and ideologies you have to conform to. With the new line, its all open. Anyone can exist in this continuity, or not, like in the case of Wildrider.
I don't quite get your argument. You say the difference between Classics and Generations is that Classics is reimagined G1 while Generations is fiction driven. Except:
-The IDW fiction is a reimagining of the G1 Universe, so you can say the corresponding Generations figures (particularly the IDW-styled ones) are similarly G1 updates
-The standalones you mention are all G1 in one form or another; Jhiaxus is in the original Marvel comics, while Whirl and Roadbuster were G1 toys
-As WJ mentioned, Beast Wars is technically within the G1 timeline, so once again, figures like Rhinox, Rattrap, and Waspinator can be viewed as updates to that timeline
All of these characters are being reintegrated into a new storyline/continuity, but they're mostly G1 homages, with the nice addition of some new characters to cut our teeth on. This obsession you have with framing the argument as your openness to new-ness vs. others' hard and set ideology (seriously - you think we have an
ideology???) does a real disservice to the complexities of what the Generations line can be to different people, and how the IDW comics have managed to breathe new life into this old brand.
^This x1000000! @Shockblast- You are not the welcoming, open-minded Transformers messiah you seem to think you are, as is clear from your dismissive, argumentative attitude, and everybody else is not a shut-in, whiny, 1984-obsessed group of collectors. By immediately dismissing other's arguments and reducing them to "NO IT'S NOT GEEWUN ENOUGH!1!
", you effectively shut down any possible opportunity for honest, open discussion and debate.
", you effectively shut down any possible opportunity for honest, open discussion and debate.