Retool / Repaint Spreadsheet for Transformers Generations Combiner Wars

Posted by william-james88 Jul 10, 2015 at 9:30am CDT 30,692 views

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Fellow Seibertronian MemphisR56 did us all a favor by making a spreadsheet in light of the fact that every new Generations figures announced at SDCC 2015 was a retool or repaint of a pre-existing mold.

The heavy use of retools and redecos has split the fan base and inspired some fun discussion nearing the level of the "Theseus Paradox" (how much retooling until it is a new figure?) and if it is fair to criticize a G2 repaint for what it is (lazy or awesome?).
Whatever your stance is, this spreadsheet should help keep score of what is going on with the first year of Combiner Wars not even over yet.

To be fair, MemphisR56 is just sticking to Hasbro and Funpub releases as part of the Scramble City concept (or else you would even get Scourge using that Truck Cab torso). Here is the spreadsheet which he has titled Repaint Wars Revengeance:

Transformers News: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Retool/Repaint Spreadsheet

MemphisR56 wrote:For those of you keeping score on the repaints,

I made a spreadsheet.

All Hail Skylynx.

Poor Dead End.

Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Retool/Repaint Spreadsheet

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Re: Retool / Repaint Spreadsheet for Transformers Generations Combiner Wars (view post)

Comment by mtma Jul 10, 2015

Where was it said we are going to have two Brawls?

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Comment by Gearslide Jul 10, 2015

You know what?

With the Sky Lynx mold being what it is, and how difficult it would be to use it as another character (Not that it's ever stopped Hasbro before), it wouldn't surprise me to see Takara do an extensive retool to actually make a Giant Purple Griffon. They seem to do it often enough with molds that don't get a lot of use.

Imagine if it's combiner head was Megatron!

Re: Retool / Repaint Spreadsheet for Transformers Generations Combiner Wars (view post)

Comment by Cobotron Jul 10, 2015

I love that you newsed this. :lol:

Re: Retool / Repaint Spreadsheet for Transformers Generations Combiner Wars (view post)

Comment by Va'al Jul 10, 2015

Cobotron wrote:I love that you newsed this.

User originated content that will please* the fan community - why would we not news it?

*T&C apply, please consult your doctor

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Comment by MemphisR56 Jul 10, 2015

mtma wrote:Where was it said we are going to have two Brawls?

It was never explicitly stated, but the "running change" images of Bruticus from Botcon showed him as a matching tan on the Onslaught version, and a different shade of olive green on the silver Bruticus version.

I made the assumption that he'd be part of the running change wave.

It also really bugs me that the 'tan onslaught' has tan wheels.
And that one production sample that was at botcon with one unpainted white wheel was the exact same one in the display case at SDCC.

Re: Retool / Repaint Spreadsheet for Transformers Generations Combiner Wars (view post)

Comment by SG Roadbuster Jul 10, 2015

Truck Torso (Optimus) is missing an entry. E-Hobby Grand Scourge

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Comment by william-james88 Jul 10, 2015

SG Roadbuster wrote:Truck Torso (Optimus) is missing an entry. E-Hobby Grand Scourge

We are sticking to domestic stuff and he's even mentioned in the article. As well as the first draft:

And thanks Cobotron, I was happy to news it. We are a fun community here and fan effort will always be encouraged.

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Comment by Cobotron Jul 10, 2015

william-james88 wrote:And thanks Cobotron, I was happy to news it. We are a fun community here and fan effort will always be encouraged.

Indeed we are! Good stuff Memphis, thanks.

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Comment by Va'al Jul 10, 2015

We put the fan *and* the fun in...
Wait.

Dammit.

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Comment by griftimus prime Jul 10, 2015

really disappointed in the scattershot mold. and the fact that they will not be making the rest of the team.

not interested in one of these g2 repaints or this horrific looking fan creation thing.

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Comment by ZeroWolf Jul 10, 2015

william-james88 wrote:
peaces wrote:i love repaints unless they are lazy ass pieces of crap like scattershot. even the g1 has more color breaks. pathetic. can we get a victorion repaint even before the original is released? and can we never release the original? thanks

This is the original Victorion. He is made of redecos of previously released molds. People voted for her regarding a few of her aspects and Hasbro used those to make this. There is no other Victorion. This is the first and only. I am very confused.

Actually he's just saying saying that he wants them to change the colour scheme to a different one then was voted for. Don't know why he didn't just say that though

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Comment by Giant Purple Griffin Jul 10, 2015

Gearslide wrote:You know what?

With the Sky Lynx mold being what it is, and how difficult it would be to use it as another character (Not that it's ever stopped Hasbro before), it wouldn't surprise me to see Takara do an extensive retool to actually make a Giant Purple Griffon.

Sold!

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Comment by jay5 Jul 10, 2015

Regarding http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ars/33462/

I don't think Dead End is a Porsche now. Looks more like a Ferrari or McLaren.

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Comment by william-james88 Jul 10, 2015

ZeroWolf wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
peaces wrote:i love repaints unless they are lazy ass pieces of crap like scattershot. even the g1 has more color breaks. pathetic. can we get a victorion repaint even before the original is released? and can we never release the original? thanks

This is the original Victorion. He is made of redecos of previously released molds. People voted for her regarding a few of her aspects and Hasbro used those to make this. There is no other Victorion. This is the first and only. I am very confused.

Actually he's just saying saying that he wants them to change the colour scheme to a different one then was voted for. Don't know why he didn't just say that though

I reread what he wrote knowing what you wrote and I get it now. He was asking rhetorically. Thanks for clearing it up.

Giant Purple Griffin wrote:
Gearslide wrote:You know what?

With the Sky Lynx mold being what it is, and how difficult it would be to use it as another character (Not that it's ever stopped Hasbro before), it wouldn't surprise me to see Takara do an extensive retool to actually make a Giant Purple Griffon.

Sold!

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Comment by LongHaulLaser Jul 10, 2015

MemphisR56 wrote:
I kept him in because he's actually a different character, but sure thing

Repaint Wars REVENGEANCE.PNG

Are we considering Sky Dive and Air Raid to be the same mold? They have different shoulder transformations. Air Raid is closer to Firefly in that both just pull their arms out. Sky Dive has this rotating shoulder mechanic.

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Comment by albnok Jul 10, 2015

LongHaulLaser wrote:
MemphisR56 wrote:
I kept him in because he's actually a different character, but sure thing

Repaint Wars REVENGEANCE.PNG

Are we considering Sky Dive and Air Raid to be the same mold? They have different shoulder transformations. Air Raid is closer to Firefly in that both just pull their arms out. Sky Dive has this rotating shoulder mechanic.

Foot clones, and they share the same foot/hand/weapon mold. Same goes for Dead End/Brake-Neck/Streetwise - and Offroad/First Aid (the unique mounting point on the back of the cab). So I guess Hasbro considers them the same mold.

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Comment by MaverickPrime Jul 10, 2015

I don't have anything against repaints per se, but they are REALLY abusing them in Combiner Wars, and even then, I was okay with it, because they made sense and at least had different heads, but Blast Off and Pipes are awful, and aside from the deco, they look NOTHING like themselves, and in Pipes case, it angers me, because the poor guy has never had any kind of update.
Battle Core Optimus is a waste of budget, his existance is inexcusable, there was already a combining Prime, and what is insulting is that he got a new, and COMPLETELY UNNECESARY NEW HEAD.
I still look forward to some releases, but overall I feel disapointed, maybe due to the extremely high expectations I had out of this line...Oh Combiner Wars, how far you've fallen :-(

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Comment by SG Roadbuster Jul 10, 2015

Giant Purple Griffin wrote:
Gearslide wrote:You know what?

With the Sky Lynx mold being what it is, and how difficult it would be to use it as another character (Not that it's ever stopped Hasbro before), it wouldn't surprise me to see Takara do an extensive retool to actually make a Giant Purple Griffon.

Sold!

Sky Lynx could also work as dotm Hatchet

and follow that up with first aid as dotm crankcase, streetwise as Barricade, breakdown as Crowbar, and Alpha Bravo as Tailwhip

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Comment by leokearon Jul 10, 2015

Great that CW G2 Menasor is coming. Though are there any official images of G2 Blackjack in robot mode?

Also I wonder if we will see CW g2 Defensor and Bruticus?

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Comment by welcometothedarksyde Jul 10, 2015

jay5 wrote:I don't think Dead End is a Porsche now. Looks more like a Ferrari or McLaren.

I think this guy's chart is just calling them by their G1 alt-modes. For example no way in hell is CW Skydive an F-16 Fighting Falcon (He's a Mig 29), but he appears to just be using ther G1 alt-modes to name the molds