The Complete Japanese Transformers Collection Not Coming Out in Early December

Sabrblade wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Seriously... I can't see why everyone is fussing over the Omni dub. It's AWFUL. It's so embarrassingly awful, I'd rather listen to an audio track of the brown note in the left channel and cats in heat in the right channel.

Amen! The Japanese audio with English subs is the ONLY appropriate way to watch these.

Any clamoring for the pathetic Omni dub simply because it's in some kind of English is nothing more than discrimination and Xenophobia.

Or people who just enjoy inflicting pain on themselves.

Mind you, I did leave out the notion of taking a shot each time someone utters "The Power Pack!" or "Sparkle" during the show.

Ahh my beloved G1 characters Billy, Phillip, Wally, Sparkle, Jollo, Roadimus Prime, Sappo, BM, Unicorn and their trusty spaceship "Spaceship Bruce."

Did I mention the Omni dubs change all the characters names?

Counterpunch wrote:They need to get their gawdamn story straight. This is annoying.

Seriously. I read that tweet and felt really irritated. It seemed unprofessional as well. Like let's take a bad situation, and then make a joke out of it

"don't be fooled by what the fine folks of your fan site's news team say, let alone our own site!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeMwHZrU ... ata_player

While typos happen all the time, and information can get lost in translation, apparently they are playing telephone at Shout Factory. I had already paid for this item, I did what was required of me to receive this set. They had my money for a month before they decided the product wasn't finished... So they returned my money. Fine. Stop tweeting about it and get this shit made. December 6th isn't the date? Tell me what it is then.
Amateur hour at the ole Shout Factory.

gothsaurus wrote:Mind you, I did leave out the notion of taking a shot each time someone utters "The Power Pack!" or "Sparkle" during the show.

I know what I'm doin this weekend!

Damn it that's my birthday

Rated X wrote:This is probally going to sound like a stupid question, but I honestly dont know so I will ask...

Frankly, this question has been answered about a million times, so yous will be number 1,000,001.

Rated X wrote:Is this "complete Japanese Collection" going to be dubbed over in english ??? Or English subtitles ???Or is this just an offical release of the Japanese versions.

No English dubs (thank goodness!), Japanese audio only, English subtitles only, official U.S. DVDs.

Rated X wrote:I guess Ill pass then. I just cant seem to enjoy a story when reading subtitles. I havent even watched my downloads for this reason. Reading subtitles is too much work, call me lazy.

You're missing out. Subtitled is the only watch to watch these in all their original magnificence. No dub could possibly capture the spirit of the originals as good as the authentic version itself. Such laziness, as you describe it, can be easily overcome, as the action and the exposition don't always coincide with each other. When there's talking, there's not much action. When there's action, there's not much talking. Speaking of which, that's pretty much how it is for entertainment in any language.

I myself already own two different subtitled versions of all three series. One's a fansub of all three, the other is the UK DVD boxed set by Metrodome. I plan to get the Shout! Factory version, which will make three different variations of subtitles.

Rated X wrote:I do have the dubbed version of Headmasters and I cringed at how the characters lost all their swag without American voice actors. No disrespect to the Japanese voice actors but they make all the characters sound the same.

It's not just the voices of the Omni dubs that are pitiful, but the dialogue and scripting as well. Nearly every piece dialogue spoken out of everyone's mouth is crud. None of it is any good and barely even makes a lick of sense.

Counterpunch wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:I guess Ill pass then. I just cant seem to enjoy a story when reading subtitles. I havent even watched my downloads for this reason. Reading subtitles is too much work, call me lazy.

You're missing out. Subtitled is the only watch to watch these in all their original magnificence. No dub could possibly capture the spirit of the originals as good as the authentic version itself.

A proper modern dubbing could do just fine.

This isn't high theater, there's not a lot of subtlety to capture in Transformers Super God Masterforce.

Subtitles were the best we could do in the 90's and even in the 2000's, but now it's possible to have great dubbing and still retain the original intent of the speaker despite the Japanese language having idiosyncrasies that are difficult to capture. Of course, that requires enough care to go into it, but that's true of all things.

Agreed. Plus, those UK dubs get really annoying! "Oh it's the Seacons warriors OH" "oh" "i know Oh" "ahhhhh"

I'm not asking for Peter Cullen or Frank Welker (although it would be awesome I'm not dumb, it would cost a fortune!) But even Dr. Smoov and some other fan voice all stars could really breathe some life and accuracy into all 3 of these series.

Counterpunch wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:I guess Ill pass then. I just cant seem to enjoy a story when reading subtitles. I havent even watched my downloads for this reason. Reading subtitles is too much work, call me lazy.

You're missing out. Subtitled is the only watch to watch these in all their original magnificence. No dub could possibly capture the spirit of the originals as good as the authentic version itself.

A proper modern dubbing could do just fine.

This isn't high theater, there's not a lot of subtlety to capture in Transformers Super God Masterforce.

Subtitles were the best we could do in the 90's and even in the 2000's, but now it's possible to have great dubbing and still retain the original intent of the speaker despite the Japanese language having idiosyncrasies that are difficult to capture. Of course, that requires enough care to go into it, but that's true of all things.

Hasbro's already meddled with the subtitles of these releases by changing a few names and terms to suit their vision of these shows, rather than the original vision of the Japanese creators. Do you really think that any professional dub under their authority would leave everything untouched as it was Japanese version? Hasbro would most definitely issue more changes be made to the dialogue script or even want the content edited for violence or objection or whatever. With the new subtitles alone, they've already gone and had...

• Fortress renamed "Cerebros",
• Sixshot's rank changed from the Decepticon City Ninja Staff Officer to "Phase Six Decepticon officer",
• "Scrap" being used as an expletive (over any typical choice like "darn", "blast " or "curse")
• All Mini-Cassettes referred to as "Deployers" (which is not even a G1 term)
• The unspecified energy that was recharging the Matrix directly referred to as Plasma Energy, thus removing any mystique and wonder behind the unknown energy that would help to empower the Matrix
• "Behold the Birth of Double Convoy" subbed as "The Rebirth of Rodimus Prime"
• Slang terms such as "Autojerk" and Decepticreep" used where nonexistent
• The meteorite named Metemorphose subbed as "Metamorphosis"
• Metamorphose's magnetic properties redefined as gravitational properties, which is utter nonsense given the context of that episode,
• Godmasters most likely be renamed "Powermasters",
• Super Ginrai and God Ginrai possibly renamed "God Ginrai" and "Super God Ginrai" respectively,
• The Breastforce most likely renamed as either the "Chestforce" or "Chestmasters", and
• Deszaras most likely renamed "Deathsaurus"

Hasbro may own these series, but this is not their creation nor their continuity. It's Japan's. It is not canon to the American Generation 1 cartoon, but is instead canon to the Japanese dubs of it (Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers and Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010). They need to stop making these changes that make it work for them when it's not not suppose to.

If some of these changes have to do with the appropriateness of content, simply have these DVDs marketed to "Ages 13 & up" like most anime DVDs are, as it is most unlikely that anyone below that age will want to personally buy these sets, sit down, and watch them in a foreign language with only text at the bottom of the screen to make them understand it. Besides, one of the main reasons they said that they were releasing these was because of the popularity of anime, yet all such subbed anime nowadays are marketed to no less than the PG-13 age range anyway.

gothsaurus wrote:I heard Hasbro wouldn't let the Omni dub be released here because it represented the brand poorly. Knowing that, trying to talk a major corporation into letting a bunch of fans represent their characters... never gonna happen, sadly.

And again, paying ANY full cast of voice actors to play these parts would make the price skyrocket.

They also said "No" to fandubs too.

gothsaurus wrote:Thanks for the info above! Some of the slight renames, etc. I can kinda understand for the USA market used to the USA toy names.... and scrap. But "Autojerk" ... pretty lame. They should use the already established fake swear words we all know and love.

I did some digging out of curiosity...

best imho----> slag

or--> bearings (LOL)

also---->skidplate (also LOL)

one list here:
http://www.tfshadowcon.com/forum/showth ... lang-words

Some here, though mixed with fan-penned ones. Actual ones marked "canon".
http://jaylyn.hypermart.net/writings/tf ... nsult.html

The Metrodome and Madman DVDs used such insults as "foolish Autobots/Decepticons" "blasted Autobots/Decepticons", "cursed Autobots/Decepticons", "Autobot/Decepticon scum", "Autobot/Decepticon fools", "miserable Autobots/Decpeticons" and likely "Dee Ay Em En (I don't cuss ) Autobots/Decepticons".

All of which are probably more accurate to the Japanese versions, which used such terms as "Cybertron/Destron-yatsura", "Cybertron/Destron-yatsu", "Cybertron/Destron kisama", "onore Cybertron/Destron", Cybertron/Destron-yaro", etc.