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-Kanrabat- wrote:And by the way, stop being so negative. It's depressing.

He's not being depressing. He's just disagreeing because that's what he does.

You'll learn to ignore him soon enough.

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:And by the way, stop being so negative. It's depressing.

He's not being depressing. He's just disagreeing because that's what he does.

You'll learn to ignore him soon enough.

You'll also learn to skim Burn's posts. It's a useful ability.

Also I don't know why everyone's bringing up Basil Karlo and his original abilities or lack thereof, seeing as this conversation is based around Matt Hagen or, all things considered, Karlo's appearance in Arkham City. You know, the version that can't work in this universe? The big mud monster? I never actually said an idea like an eerily-perfect mimic couldn't work. It's just that randomly introducing that to explain Bruce Wayne getting around the world quickly is unnecessary when you can just say "He's Batman" and everything works out.

Shadowman wrote:You'll also learn to skim Burn's posts. It's a useful ability.

Also I don't know why everyone's bringing up Basil Karlo and his original abilities or lack thereof, seeing as this conversation is based around Matt Hagen or, all things considered, Karlo's appearance in Arkham City. You know, the version that can't work in this universe? The big mud monster? I never actually said an idea like an eerily-perfect mimic couldn't work. It's just that randomly introducing that to explain Bruce Wayne getting around the world quickly is unnecessary when you can just say "He's Batman" and everything works out.

The point of bringing up Basil Karlo and his lack of abilities is to prove that Clayface can in fact work in the Nolanverse.

robofreak wrote:

Shadowman wrote:You'll also learn to skim Burn's posts. It's a useful ability.

Also I don't know why everyone's bringing up Basil Karlo and his original abilities or lack thereof, seeing as this conversation is based around Matt Hagen or, all things considered, Karlo's appearance in Arkham City. You know, the version that can't work in this universe? The big mud monster? I never actually said an idea like an eerily-perfect mimic couldn't work. It's just that randomly introducing that to explain Bruce Wayne getting around the world quickly is unnecessary when you can just say "He's Batman" and everything works out.

The point of bringing up Basil Karlo and his lack of abilities is to prove that Clayface can in fact work in the Nolanverse.

Why are we even arguing about this? You're totally ignoring the original point: Randomly introducing Clayface to explain away a plot hole is silly when A: Said plot hole doesn't even exist and B: Bruce Wayne can get from point A to point B by being the goddamn Batman, he does not need a body double.

And by the way, no, a giant mud monster cannot work in the Nolan movies. I'm not sure why you keep trying to shift the conversation away from that. Not to mention it would be the most radical change done to any of the villains, removing all but one of his abilities. Mr. Freeze has a freeze gun, Poison Ivy has plants, Scarecrow has his fear toxin, and Clayface is a giant mud monster. When was the last time the character was used without his mud-powers?

Shadowman wrote:Why are we even arguing about this?

Because you don't know when to let something go instead of having to have the last say.

Oh and for the record, Basil Karlo, the original Clayface who was introduced in 1940, never had clay powers, he was just an actor. So Clayface was not originally a "giant mud monster".

Just saying.

If we're going to nitpick it Shadowman, Ras Al Ghul can't exist in Nolan's world either since he needs Lazarus pits to maintain his life and is over 600 years old.

If we can have a giant freaking microwave emitter in the first movie, we can have a madman with a freeze gun of some sort in the Nolan world as well. Chryogenics gone wrong. Definitely would have to get rid of Mr. Freeze having his body altered, but he could still be on a quest to save his wife and being using his research for the wrong reasons.

Poison Ivy could be an eco terrorist. Usig plant toxins as her weapons, she would fit in quite well. Doesn't neccessarily have to control plants. Just be a plant genetics genius.

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Why are we even arguing about this?

Because you don't know when to let something go instead of having to have the last say.

...okay? I'm not sure what that means. Do you want me to stop arguing my opinion?

Burn wrote:Oh and for the record, Basil Karlo, the original Clayface who was introduced in 1940, never had clay powers, he was just an actor. So Clayface was not originally a "giant mud monster".

Just saying.

Little late to the party with that one, Burn, Robofreak already brought it up, and I already knew about all that before he posted it.

robofreak wrote:If we're going to nitpick it Shadowman, Ras Al Ghul can't exist in Nolan's world either since he needs Lazarus pits to maintain his life and is over 600 years old.

Granted they did remove that part of the character, a big part, in fact, but they kept everything else. Even the immortality was still there, they go over it in detail in the third movie.

robofreak wrote:If we can have a giant freaking microwave emitter in the first movie, we can have a madman with a freeze gun of some sort in the Nolan world as well. Chryogenics gone wrong. Definitely would have to get rid of Mr. Freeze having his body altered, but he could still be on a quest to save his wife and being using his research for the wrong reasons.

Poison Ivy could be an eco terrorist. Usig plant toxins as her weapons, she would fit in quite well. Doesn't neccessarily have to control plants. Just be a plant genetics genius.

That may be, I was actually talking about how each character has their iconic abilities, and without them, they kind of cease to be that character.

Loved the movie!

Hope everyone got to see it too. Agree that if you want to enjoy the film you can do so without the comics. Though we especially liked Knightfall and No Man's Land.

Just wanted to share an interesting Batman Dark Knight Rises auction we found:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-Dark-Kni ... 4d03aea716

some pretty cool stuff. nice.

Shadowman wrote:

Fortress_Maximus wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-Dark-Kni ... 4d03aea716

>Staring bid: 1$.
>Buy it now: 1000$.
>Just random merch.

I managed to see this last week, and I have to agree that its predecessor was a better film.
However, I really enjoyed the end of the trilogy, and thought that Selina Kyle is possibly the best developed character out of them all.

I'm still pleasantly suprised to see that Nolan and Goyer have been doing their comics research: several parts of the plot, especially concerning Bane and his relationship to Ra's al-Ghul, seem to be lifted entirely from Batman versus Bane. And there is of course Knightfall at the basis of the entire film, including the prison breakout and the brilliant fight scene in the sewers between Batman and Bane with no soundtrack at all.

Again, did not surpass The Dark Knight but The Dark Knight Rises is a good film, and a suitable conclusion/non-conclusion to the saga.

Another point: Selina has some echoes of Batman: Year One, which were nice to spot.

I actually want to see this again, but I will wait for the DVD release.
Might even buy the inevitable Trilogy boxset with extended cuts.


Also, this is pretty cool:



EDIT: I forgot that I wanted to bring up some points from previous posts.

The perfect mimic theory, while interesting, does not really fit.
And if we were to choose a more recent, realistic character to pull it off, I believe Jane Doe would trump Clayface.

As for where is the Pit, it was filmed in India, but it's never specified (as far as I remember) where it actually is. Although I guess India is closer to the League of Shadows' HQ, so maybe more towards that option. But then again, as Shadowman said, the chant is in Arabic so maybe not (although this could just be because of the prisoners' language, rather than the location).

What if Batman The Dark Knight Rise was 10 times shorter and more honest?

-Kanrabat- wrote:What if Batman The Dark Knight Rise was 10 times shorter and more honest?

It was funny when they did that for Twilight. Turns out, tearing apart a good movie isn't nearly as funny. Especially when they have to ignore plot points or make up entirely new plot holes just to do it.

Shadowman wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:What if Batman The Dark Knight Rise was 10 times shorter and more honest?

It was funny when they did that for Twilight. Turns out, tearing apart a good movie isn't nearly as funny. Especially when they have to ignore plot points or make up entirely new plot holes just to do it.

Or, alternatively, enjoy humor.

RhA wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:What if Batman The Dark Knight Rise was 10 times shorter and more honest?

It was funny when they did that for Twilight. Turns out, tearing apart a good movie isn't nearly as funny. Especially when they have to ignore plot points or make up entirely new plot holes just to do it.

Or, alternatively, enjoy humor.

I don't enjoy lame humor, though, that's the problem.

I thought that was really well done actually!

Got me laughing for a while, and some points are real genius.


Poking fun at something good does work for me. I actually want to watch it again even more now.

Shadowman wrote:

RhA wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:What if Batman The Dark Knight Rise was 10 times shorter and more honest?

It was funny when they did that for Twilight. Turns out, tearing apart a good movie isn't nearly as funny. Especially when they have to ignore plot points or make up entirely new plot holes just to do it.

Or, alternatively, enjoy humor.

I don't enjoy lame humor, though, that's the problem.

In my head I sometimes make voices for online people. Yours is comic book guy.

RhA wrote:In my head I sometimes make voices for online people. Yours is comic book guy.

I actually sound a lot like Cinema Snob, if he was played by that kid from Almost Famous...

...that's not a whole lot better, is it?