The Energon Pub

News Credits: 1 · Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:46 pm

Psycho Warrior wrote:Chaos space marines. In the Eye of Terror codex you have to look in the Lost and The Damned section. I didn't know the particulars of them. I just know you can't put marks on them or give them power weapons.

in eithercase, they're just a maybe. they'd just be sort of vanilla cannon fodder.

I'm not sure if the Eye of Terror codex is relevant anymore.

In 5th Edition (the newest), the forces of Chaos are divided into Chaos Daemons (warp monsters and other nasties) and Codex Space Marines (The original traitor legions).

Traitor Guard can be played with converted standard Imperial Guard models, using the Imperial Guard codex.

Since we're on the subject of 40k, here's my latest project: Pre-Heresy Iron Hands!

Morlock Terminators:

Ironclad Dread

1st Captain Gabriel Santar

Regular Astartes

I wanted to do something a little different so, I modded a Dreadknight into an Imperial Robot, based off of Incarnidine from The First Heretic novel!

News Credits: 12 · Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:22 pm

Those are sweet Jesterhead.

I really do love Warhammer, but my issue with them is cost. You don't get anough for what you pay for.

I find myself buying them on clearance quite a bit though.

Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:00 pm

Noise marines will likely be my first major additions, since no one in my area fields them (I'm sure I can mod some blastmasters after a few tries). But, I'm also VERY glad I can field traitor guardsmen. I think they'd be good distractions or just considered low priority targets to the enemy player. (and very cheap)

Also Jesterhead: hot damn. awesome work man.

News Credits: 12 · Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:09 pm

Psycho Warrior wrote:Noise marines will likely be my first major additions, since no one in my area fields them (I'm sure I can mod some blastmasters after a few tries). But, I'm also VERY glad I can field traitor guardsmen. I think they'd be good distractions or just considered low priority targets to the enemy player. (and very cheap)

Also Jesterhead: hot damn. awesome work man.

And no love for the paint jobs I posted of stuff I did... :-(

Anyways, Gun modifying is not that hard. For the case you have as I explained earlier, all you have to do is cut that small area where the finger would go for the trigger. Cut that piece out and the gun will slide right in.

Look into just buying up parts lots if you get the chance. Bit of excess pieces that no one wants can be a GOLD MINE.

Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:26 pm

Really, I appreciate all the help guys. =3

If I have any more questions I know who to ask.

News Credits: 1 · Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:32 am

robofreak wrote:
I really do love Warhammer, but my issue with them is cost. You don't get enough for what you pay for.

You know it!

My pre-heresy Iron Hands are %80 Forge World models. They are lovely sculpts, but the price is obscene!

It seems like Warhammer 40k (or 30k lately) novels have been sucking up a lot of my money lately. The next Horus Heresy limited edition novella Aurelian should drop sometime soon. Not sure where the money for that is coming from! :-?

News Credits: 1452 · Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:33 pm

Oh dear, thinking about getting back into 40k makes me cringe. To think I could've had less trouble collecting AEC if I didn't go through this hobby. Was more in to Fantasy than 40k, but still had a considerable amount of Tau.

News Credits: 12 · Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:20 am

Blurrz wrote:Oh dear, thinking about getting back into 40k makes me cringe. To think I could've had less trouble collecting AEC if I didn't go through this hobby. Was more in to Fantasy than 40k, but still had a considerable amount of Tau.

Same here.

Now I'm stuck filling gaps in my AEC collection.

lousy minicons.

Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:57 pm

I don't know if the heads are different for you on that Krylon paint Robo, but for me it SUUUUUCKS.

picked up some krylon fusion satin white paint, it came with this sucky 'EZ touch 360 dial' (no normal headed stuff) and it offers no range, and it comes out in globs rather than a spray. Whatever it didn't cover completely it PLASTERED ruining much of the detail.

EDIT: Turns out its not the paint... I managed to get the one can of paint without a nozzle. just my luck. =/

News Credits: 1 · Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:39 pm

Psycho Warrior wrote:EDIT: Turns out its not the paint... I managed to get the one can of paint without a nozzle. just my luck. =/

Pretty unlucky. Were your models ok?

I always use GW paints for my warhammer minis, but I've had nothing but good luck with Krylon for other uses in the past.

Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:32 pm

my Iconbearer is pretty plastered. the paint had formed huge lumps on the shoulder pads, and his chest is missing a lot of detail. The backpack's missing all of its minute details like the bolts and ventilation... vents. Really, the only thing I can thankfully salvage without any effort is the Icon of Chaos Glory and the arm that holds it. the legs are okay, as are the bolter I gave it.

News Credits: 12 · Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:01 pm

Psycho Warrior wrote:my Iconbearer is pretty plastered. the paint had formed huge lumps on the shoulder pads, and his chest is missing a lot of detail. The backpack's missing all of its minute details like the bolts and ventilation... vents. Really, the only thing I can thankfully salvage without any effort is the Icon of Chaos Glory and the arm that holds it. the legs are okay, as are the bolter I gave it.

We can save them!

Go to the automotive section in Wal Mart or go to a auto store and buy some Purple Power. It's a cleaner/degreaser.

Let them soak for a day and your parts will be as good as new.

For every problem, there is a solution.

Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:59 pm

robofreak wrote:We can save them!

Go to the automotive section in Wal Mart or go to a auto store and buy some Purple Power. It's a cleaner/degreaser.

Let them soak for a day and your parts will be as good as new.

For every problem, there is a solution.

I put it in fast orange, and yes, it did take it off.

Gotta take some time on the backpack though. so much I gotta scrap out. =/

News Credits: 12 · Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:45 pm

Psycho Warrior wrote:
robofreak wrote:We can save them!

Go to the automotive section in Wal Mart or go to a auto store and buy some Purple Power. It's a cleaner/degreaser.

Let them soak for a day and your parts will be as good as new.

For every problem, there is a solution.

I put it in fast orange, and yes, it did take it off.

Gotta take some time on the backpack though. so much I gotta scrap out. =/

Let it soak. It will be easier.

Also, get a toothbrush you can spare for cleaning parts. It will help you get the residue from the paint cleaned out.

Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:56 pm

robofreak wrote:
Psycho Warrior wrote:
robofreak wrote:We can save them!

Go to the automotive section in Wal Mart or go to a auto store and buy some Purple Power. It's a cleaner/degreaser.

Let them soak for a day and your parts will be as good as new.

For every problem, there is a solution.

I put it in fast orange, and yes, it did take it off.

Gotta take some time on the backpack though. so much I gotta scrap out. =/

Let it soak. It will be easier.

Also, get a toothbrush you can spare for cleaning parts. It will help you get the residue from the paint cleaned out.

The toothbrush I figured, gotta clean it out before I start again. that paint gets tacky and sticky real quick once it comes out of the goo

Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:38 am

well, I ruined 3 toothbrushes, wasted a whole tub of degreaser, and wrecked my icon bearer. No, really. I can't salvage the torso, icon, legs or arms.

the plastic got SO soft the softest toothbrush carved gashes in it, and they didn't even scrap paint once they got loaded with paint. The icon of chaos glory snapped in half on the pole, it broke in half when it hit the floor, and although the head is salvageable, nothing else is.

so now I'm down to 9 out of 10 chaos space marines and my icon is wrecked. **cking great. :BOOM:

EDIT

Also, I got another can of paint, and the first coat has been drying on another model for over a day now and its still tacky. seriously, starting to think the krylon fusion crap was a prank on me.

News Credits: 12 · Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:15 pm

The krylon was not a prank. I don't recommend a product unless I myself have used it and am satified with it.

You did shake the can right? I've never had Krylon be tacky after a day of drying.

I'd heavily recommend switching to purple power. That cleaner is not as corrosive as a degreaser. It's like a heavily concentrated Windex.

Give me some pics and other details. I'm trying to figure out what is going on here. I've never had this happen with Krylon.

Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:11 pm

yeah, sorry. I was more upset over possibly destroying something I liked. :-(

I'll upload pictures in a little while. I switched to another cleaner, 'goo gone' and its taking the paint right off.

News Credits: 12 · Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:58 pm

Psycho Warrior wrote:yeah, sorry. I was more upset over possibly destroying something I liked.

I'll upload pictures in a little while. I switched to another cleaner, 'goo gone' and its taking the paint right off.

Goo gone will give you the same issue. It will literally turn 40K pieces into goo with no pun intended.

seriously, get yourself some purple power. You can leave stuff in their for a while without any ill effects. It's like $10 for a gallon and it will last for a while cause you don't have to throw it out after every use. I stripped 10 HG Gundam Astray Gold Frame kits of their chrome for some friends and the stufff was still good enough to strip a project of my own.

http://www.clean-rite.com/

It's one of the safest degreasers to use on the parts cause it only eats the oil that comes from the casting process, chrome, and pretty much any hobby paint.

Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:41 pm

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I've been brushing them and washing them in water, even keeping them submerged in a bowl of water when not being cleaned. I'm well aware it can melt plastic, hence my precautions.

I understand purple power is a good cleaner, and I thought I had some. in anycase, i'll pick some up to finish the job. I just hate making 'just one thing' runs. Especially to walmart.

News Credits: 12 · Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:11 am

I totally understand not wanting to do a run for just one thing.

That remaining junk will come right off after a soak in purple power. Let it sit for a few hours without trying to fuss with it. Then you can pass the toothbrush over it and get it all off.

Once it's clean, I have a fix for the Krylon. I did some testing and I figured out the problem.

I'm pretty sure the parts you painted weren't cleaned all the way. GW is notorious for over oiling the molds which can cause severe issue for painting later on. Make sure you clean the sprues off in either purple power or some warm soapy water before beginning a build.

I was able to recreate the tacky paint when I painted a non clean sprue, but got the normal hard paint with a clean sprue.

Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:48 am

I'm going to get some of that purple power tomorrow, rest assured I'll do as you suggest.

The news about GW's waxy residue is news to me. which makes me glad that I haven't stared painting my other models yet. But the other problem was that mine had no nozzle, and I had to put it inches away from the model to get any coverage at all. that's before I really noticed that it had no nozzle, where it showed one on the can's example of the nozzle. ... sometimes I'm not very observant.

News Credits: 12 · Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:15 am

You'll find in about every 5 or so boxes that GW sprues sometimes have weird brown oily stuff on them. Not a lot, but enough to make you go huh?

Ulike most companies that only put oil on a mold before it's sent to storage, GW like to oile them a lot. Why? I don't know.

The plastic is waxy by natue so the residues can be prone to doing some funky stuff. with paint when it's not cleaned properly.

I learned a lot of this from my local GW before they went out of business and from experience as well.

A good trick for the paint also is to let the can sit in warm water for a bit. Get the paint warm before you paint. It will loosen it up and create a finer, more controllable mist.

I forgot to suggest that cause I live in a warm area where I only do that in the winter. You might find it helpful.

Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:36 pm

well, my icon bearer sat in purple power last night, watered it down about 3parts PP to 1 part water just for some safety since it was the concentrated large jug. and it took nearly everything off.

with a new proper can of paint I have three marines and one sorcerer properly painted.

News Credits: 12 · Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:13 pm

Psycho Warrior wrote:well, my icon bearer sat in purple power last night, watered it down about 3parts PP to 1 part water just for some safety since it was the concentrated large jug. and it took nearly everything off.

with a new proper can of paint I have three marines and one sorcerer properly painted.

See what some purple power and a Krylon can that has a nozzle can do?