Rodimus Prime wrote:Seriously? What kind of Bay-haters has that girl encountered? Bayverse is not the highest quality when it comes to story and character development, but it's not the worst either. I think it's definitely the most mainstream and generates the most revenue. Everyone has his/her own preferences.
I welcome all new fans. If they get drawn in by Bayverse, it's a way for them to experience the other continuities.
SlyTF1 wrote:Have you honestly not seen the hate the movies and fans of the movies get?
Rodimus Prime wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Have you honestly not seen the hate the movies and fans of the movies get?
Nothing extreme. I see arguments on boards like this, but other than hurt feelings and insults, I haven't seen anything. Nothing physical that would make someone cower like she did. It's just popular fiction, for Primus's sake. Hate him or love him, Bay is laughing at everyone, all the way to the bank, along with Hasbro and Paramount.
Rodimus Prime wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Have you honestly not seen the hate the movies and fans of the movies get?
Nothing extreme. I see arguments on boards like this, but other than hurt feelings and insults, I haven't seen anything. Nothing physical that would make someone cower like she did. It's just popular fiction, for Primus's sake. Hate him or love him, Bay is laughing at everyone, all the way to the bank, along with Hasbro and Paramount.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I was speaking of my own experiences only. I actually don't visit any other TF site at all, which may make me a bit handicapped when it comes to comprehending the whole scope of the fandom, but here I don't really see much more than arguing among members who are either pro- or anti-Bay.
Burn wrote:My biggest gripe is that it's the same old argument. And by old I mean 2007 old. There's no new arguments, it's just the same old drivel. "Bay sucks!"-"No he doesn't!" "I liked the movies!"-"You're mentally challenged if you liked the movies!"
Rodimus Prime wrote:I was speaking of my own experiences only. I actually don't visit any other TF site at all, which may make me a bit handicapped when it comes to comprehending the whole scope of the fandom, but here I don't really see much more than arguing among members who are either pro- or anti-Bay.
tfparodies wrote:I wouldn't scream at someone who only liked the Bay-verse films, but why do I need to be positive about it? False positivity is better than true negativity? That means, in essence, that people would rather be lied to than hear the truth. (Obviously, this is a topic of psychology and social interactions than just any TF universe.)
No one deserves to be yelled at or made fun of, but I sure as hell will gladly point out the many, many flaws in the Bay-verse TF movies (of which I can't even remember the horrid plots of parts 2 & 3 at all really). So, to me, if I meet someone who thinks these movies are great, I have a huge problem. Not because I am just a G1'er, but because I am a fan of well-made film and hate to see such potential wasted.
Of course, I wouldn't get into such a deep topic at the counter of a store, but would gladly talk about it with those interested.
I would never, EVER, just be blindly "positive" about something I don't like any more than I would blindly hate something. I have more respect for myself and the others I talk to than to lie to their faces. I wish there was more of that in general in the world.
OptiMagnus wrote:Who said you had to be positive about something you don't like? I think you're taking this out of context. There is a difference between negativity and outright hostility.
Well, I have a problem with you having a huge problem. I don't see why other people's personal tastes in movies bother you. I think hip-hop and electronic music are horrid, but I don't have a problem with other people liking those genres. It's just a difference in personal taste, that's all. No need to get fussy over it. Same goes for movies.
tfparodies wrote:OptiMagnus wrote:Who said you had to be positive about something you don't like? I think you're taking this out of context. There is a difference between negativity and outright hostility.
Well, I have a problem with you having a huge problem. I don't see why other people's personal tastes in movies bother you. I think hip-hop and electronic music are horrid, but I don't have a problem with other people liking those genres. It's just a difference in personal taste, that's all. No need to get fussy over it. Same goes for movies.
It bothers me because if people didn't pay into the crap we are getting nowadays we wouldn't be inundated with it. I agree with you in your musical opinion above. Now suppose a favorite rock band of yours (or whatever genre you like the most) decides to stop making music you because hip-hop is selling these days. It's happened. Of course you should be vocal about your dislike. In this example, it absolutely does affect you! It doesn't mean you have to be violent or threatening, but you should stand up for what you like, and voice your displeasure if the situation calls for it.
I can think of plenty of other examples where other people's liking something, or at least willingness to accept something, DOES affect me in some way or another. So, of course I will voice it. How many times over the years have you heard something like "all these Hollywood movies are the same crap over and over. Why can't they make something original?" Well, the answer is because it pays not to. The longer we accept crap and make rich people richer because of it, the longer we will keep getting crap handed to us. How does that NOT affect all of us?
tfparodies wrote:It bothers me because if people didn't pay into the crap we are getting nowadays we wouldn't be inundated with it.
Now suppose a favorite rock band of yours (or whatever genre you like the most) decides to stop making music you because hip-hop is selling these days.
you should stand up for what you like, and voice your displeasure if the situation calls for it.
OptiMagnus wrote:If everyone could think just a little more like Burn, the world would be a better place.
leakin' lubricant wrote:I think alot of the anti Bayformers people forget to realise that like it or not they have been a huge succsess and have returned Transformers back into the spotlight and generated a hell of a lot of revenue, whatever you think of the films as an artform the simple truth is without them we would not have seen the recent licenced Masterpiece figures, with that in mind what would you rather have, warm fuzzy memories from your childhood or those same warm fuzzy memories AND Maesterpiece Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Prowl and Bumblebee?
Burn wrote:leakin' lubricant wrote:I think alot of the anti Bayformers people forget to realise that like it or not they have been a huge succsess and have returned Transformers back into the spotlight and generated a hell of a lot of revenue, whatever you think of the films as an artform the simple truth is without them we would not have seen the recent licenced Masterpiece figures, with that in mind what would you rather have, warm fuzzy memories from your childhood or those same warm fuzzy memories AND Maesterpiece Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Prowl and Bumblebee?
I'm not a "anti-Bayformer", I enjoyed the movies for what they were. BUT ... I see this "without them we wouldn't have had all the awesome stuff we've had like Classics, Generations, MP's etc in recent years" argument thrown around a lot and I just don't buy it.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Burn wrote:You do realise how utterly hilarious you sound right? It's not like anyone's forcing you to watch "the crap we are getting nowadays"
Then I keep listening to what they've released. At 37 years old, I find myself listening to a lot of old 80's music these days. Not JUST because I can't stand "the crap we are getting nowadays", but it's because it's what I grew up listening to and what helped shape my taste in music.
And you know what else is awesome? If I don't like what's on the radio, I change the station. We live in a world where we're saturated with choices.
But harping on about since 2007 about the problems with the first movie ... well ... what's the point? It's seven years ago, it can't be changed.
Same with harping on about the subsequent sequels and the upcoming one. People need to face facts, they're onto a winning formula with the movies.
Just because a TF fan doesn't like it, doesn't mean it's WRONG, and that's what the "haters" need to understand. They're more than welcome to dislike the movies, but they need to stop acting like their opinion is the be all and end all and accept that there are opinions different to their own.
Again, that's something of an odd way to judge unless that financial success is yours too in some way.Simple fact. The movies have been a financial success. This is a clear indicator that people liked them. Given how much of a success, they must have liked them enough to see it multiple times.
Heh. No? Any statistician can easily argue that one, as well as some gamblers too.Figures don't lie.
Not entirely true, as another fallacy that pervades is that somehow opinions can't be wrong. Anyway, you can say you liked the movie, but in general know that it's not very good. Same with songs, TV, etc. Yes, I have some movies that I like that are considered bad, but I like them.Whether the movies were good or bad is personal opinion and there is no right or wrong.
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