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Agreed. Completely.

We've had plenty of sneek peaks at TF:A character designs in the past, Omega Supreme is no different. Besides, how long have we all been hashing it over as to him being in TF: A? Since TF: A started.

I don't think the newsification with OS pic is really out of line. Omega Supreme has been rumored since the get-go, as if the giant yellow and red autobot spaceship wasn't a hint...

As for the article, if adults can't figure out of their own accord whether or not something that says "preview w/ vids" might contain spoilers, then they deserve any spoiling they get.

I absolutely hate it when people whine about spoilers. Any board, any person, any time. It drives me nuts. There are so many other things one could be up in arms about, legitimate concerns and worries, but no...being spoiled is the worst thing in the world.

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand being surprised, I really do. I get the thrill of it. I also fully understand how infuriating it can be to find spoilers in a thread that isn't marked for it, or they mention all of the unmentionables in the title.

What I don't get is this...

1.) It's a given that spoilers will pop up sooner or later. (Coming to terms with that fact will make it easier to swallow.)

2.) If there's a spoiler tag, why enter the thread? Why subject one's self to it if it truly bothers them? (Then they have the nerve to complain about it? Really?)

Me, personally, I don't mind the spoilers, I like to know what's coming up because for me...that amps up the anticipation. Granted, it's backfired well more than once and I found it to be a waste (on many occasions, not all), but in general, if I know something's going to be great, then my wait for the final product is just nailbiting, if I know it's going to be crap ahead of time, then I'm not let down by the massive suckage when the time comes.

I think it should be a mandate in the board rules that if you're going to post spoilers (or anything that fits the criteria of spoilers) that you're required to post a spoiler tag with no description or title of the episode in question. Any violation of that could result in a warning or worse (depending on whether or not you're a repeater)

I see both sides of it, I really do, but it absolutely grinds my gears when people complain about spoilers period, especially when they're suitably warned in advance on most of them and there's some of us who enjoy the spoiler threads. Leads to speculation, which leads to conversation.

Conversation on a message board? Perish the thought! *le gasp!*

Dude, no one has a problem with spoilers, if they're in a thread with the topic titles including "spoilers" as a heading. It's when you're lambasted with the **** spoiler as soon as you go into a subsection or go to the front page of a website.

This is what we're talking about. You're saying that we shouldn't be upset about seeing a screenshot that gives away a MAJOR event....because we should have already known of it for certain because of all the spoilers that have already come out? If we're avoiding spoilers now, we were probably doing so back then too.

Him being in season finale episode gives away a lot for us. Only the people who have been spoiling themselves actually know that he was FOR SURE going to be in the series. It may very well have been just a homage, like half the series is. That's what we were waiting to find out. I loved the uncertainty. I reveled in it. I couldn't wait for the moment to arrive. I loved every little hint. I couldn't wait for the next episodes. Yeah, now that's gone. If it keeps up the rest of the mystery will be gone too.

This is a lot different from the other characters they've given us, too, since it's very significant if he's shown to have a robot mode, as opposed to Wreck-Gar or Blurr who are less significant to the overall plot. Even then, none of these designs should be showcased for those who don't want to see them. It's impossible to navigate the front page for me now, because that stupid news article is referenced at the top, middle, and bottom areas of the page! I like this site! I don't want to avoid it!

As for the article, if adults can't figure out of their own accord whether or not something that says "preview w/ vids" might contain spoilers, then they deserve any spoiling they get.

We aren't clicking on the article. We're avoiding it because it's obvoiusly a spoiler. HOWEVER, we are talking about how despite the fact that all spoilers should be constrained to that article's contents, the front news page that you would skim to find out ANY transformers news has a gigantic, unavoidable screenshots that give away parts of the episode. In addition, the Featured Spotlight not only has a giant picture you couldn't possibly avoid, but a blurb summarizing some of the spoilers right under it that, in going to the news segments or to the forums link, your eyes skim over and pick up little words and such. You can't choose not to see it.

Even though I wanted the spoilers this time around to see Skywarp, I have to side with the guys who are against them.



The article on the front page is not even remotely ambiguous, and makes no attempts to hide the spoilers at all. "New characters revealed!" with a generic animated image leading to the actual information would have been more than sufficient.

And Meverix is right, the response to the upset about being spoiled was a pretty crappy attitude to take. My response was a little more tempered though... "Oh dear, that's a bit controversial. =o"

Ironhide wrote:Why is it, everytime I look into a monitor my circuits sizzle? When are we gonna start busting some Spoiler Chops?!!!

Izanami wrote:We aren't clicking on the article. We're avoiding it because it's obvoiusly a spoiler. HOWEVER, we are talking about how despite the fact that all spoilers should be constrained to that article's contents, the front news page that you would skim to find out ANY transformers news has a gigantic, unavoidable screenshots that give away parts of the episode. In addition, the Featured Spotlight not only has a giant picture you couldn't possibly avoid, but a blurb summarizing some of the spoilers right under it that, in going to the news segments or to the forums link, your eyes skim over and pick up little words and such. You can't choose not to see it.

Yeah, that's true. I'm not a big follower of TF:A, I went to the front page to see what the fuss was about and yeah the first things I saw were the words Animated and all the characters that are going to appear. That's just what you pick up immediately, and it is beyond unfair that people who don't want to have the ending of a series ruined for them are having spoilers forced upon them in this manner. And as for a certain guy defending putting it up there and saying he will continue to do so, I frankly think that's very rude and so inconsiderate. All I can say is sucks for the people who had to have a series spolied for them.

Brilliant, First Gen. Thank you.

ponycorn wrote:I don't think the newsification with OS pic is really out of line. Omega Supreme has been rumored since the get-go, as if the giant yellow and red autobot spaceship wasn't a hint...

Alright, okay. Lets suppose those of us who watched it did gather from that one episode that Omega was going to be in it. Fine, sure.
What about the seekers?

Autobot032 wrote:I absolutely hate it when people whine about spoilers. Any board, any person, any time. It drives me nuts. There are so many other things one could be up in arms about, legitimate concerns and worries, but no...being spoiled is the worst thing in the world.

Never said that. If you want to talk about all of our problems IN GENERAL we can do that. But at the moment, this is about spoilers.

Autobot032 wrote:What I don't get is this...

1.) It's a given that spoilers will pop up sooner or later. (Coming to terms with that fact will make it easier to swallow.)

That's when we duck and cover. We know too that spoilers happen.

Autobot032 wrote:2.) If there's a spoiler tag, why enter the thread? Why subject one's self to it if it truly bothers them? (Then they have the nerve to complain about it? Really?)

The homepage blurb doesn't have the tag. The names of the upcoming characters are laid out as blantant as an elephant sandwich.

Autobot032 wrote:I think it should be a mandate in the board rules that if you're going to post spoilers (or anything that fits the criteria of spoilers) that you're required to post a spoiler tag with no description or title of the episode in question. Any violation of that could result in a warning or worse (depending on whether or not you're a repeater)

You've just jogged my memory. They did something EXACTLY like this during the movie production. I think there was an anouncement/sticky about it, in fact.

This isn't about people posting spoilers. People can post all the spoilers they want, we wont care. What we care about is when someone drives by while we're waiting outside the movie theatre and hollars out who dies.

No warning was given on the front page. Omega Supreme may have been alluded to but he was never confirmed. Personally, I thought the cannon in that one episode was a homage to Omega, not a prelude.

This is unfair.

Meverix wrote:No warning was given on the front page. Omega Supreme may have been alluded to but he was never confirmed. Personally, I thought the cannon in that one episode was a homage to Omega, not a prelude.

This is unfair.

I'll give you that one. I guess enforcing the spoiler punishment thing is useless when the news crew can't even perform their jobs.

Seriously...that's a dropping the ball right there. In fact, that goes against the rules of engagement when dealing with spoilers and those in "power" should know better.

Had I known about the front page's article, I wouldn't have been quite so harsh in tone with my original post here. I was wrong for that and I apologize to everyone.

Posting that kind of info like that? Bad form. Really bad.

Oh and since it's spoiled, I might as well correct the news article on one other thing...the videos are not of demos. (even though they claim otherwise) Those are the finished designs. The guy who found this is from Dubai and they're already well into season 2 (as we clearly see) and they're the full aired episodes, just dubbed into Arabic.

No demo anything here, real deal, 100% ...which actually makes this sting all the more for those who didn't want to be spoiled...

Autobot032 wrote:Had I known about the front page's article, I wouldn't have been quite so harsh in tone with my original post here. I was wrong for that and I apologize to everyone.

Cool cool.

I haven't been keeping track of episode numbers and what have you. And FanTransfomers on Youtube has uploaded those exact videos as the actual episodes, nothing in their titles suggests they aren't the finished article. That said, I went to watch it, slightly confused, and found they were those videos (recognised the overlay from the Omega image). That's like blundering into a spoiler. That was pretty annoying.

You see, me, I'm a bit of an activist when it comes to things I feel passionately about (yes, this is one of them). It's all well and good we sit here and bitch and moan about it, but what can we DO about it?

I like the idea of having obligatory warnings on spoiler threads, and absolutely no spoiler material to be shown outside of said threads until the relating material has been displayed in public on the related media. And on the subject of those titles, no dumb ones like we had with the movie, "JAZZ DIES *SPOILERS*". That was just retarded.

Also, though this might just be the sadist in me, I'd like some form of apology and the situation rectified about the homepage article.

Spoiler lovers get whole threads to themselves, and the spoiler-dislikers get to wander the site freely without fear of running into information they'd rather not see. Everybody's happy.

I know you said people would say this, but that doesn't make it any less true. You need to have a long hard look at yourself when you're getting 'so mad' at anything to do with a kids show.

Also Seibertrons counted spoilers as news for as long as I can remember, and what with this being (amongst other things) a Transformers news site, its inevitable that there will be unavoidable spoilers.

Spoilers represent fresh, unknown news, so alot of sites will use them as a way to gather more interest for their site, I believe someone said TFW2005 was doing the same thing? Same reason. Big stories = more page views and spoilers for distant transformers projects are about as big as news gets as far as transformers are concerned.

Besides, the enjoyment from TF: Animated tends to come in how its written, not who's in it. If it was just about the characters that appear, you might as well just stare at a toy catalogue for 20 minutes.

Flashback wrote:Besides, the enjoyment from TF: Animated tends to come in how its written, not who's in it. If it was just about the characters that appear, you might as well just stare at a toy catalogue for 20 minutes.

*slow clap*

Flashback wrote:Besides, the enjoyment from TF: Animated tends to come in how its written, not who's in it. If it was just about the characters that appear, you might as well just stare at a toy catalogue for 20 minutes.

We're complaining about story elements being spoiled to us through showing certain characters though. I'm sure it'll still be very enjoyable, but knowing what's coming takes away that rush of seeing something you never expected unfurl dramatically on screen. I knew in last week's episode that Wreck Gar would use the universal greeting. I was a teensy bit upset because I lost the complete surprise that scene would have given me, so I didn't laugh when it happened. I just smiled a little. On the other hand, when he went "I am Wreck Gar. I DARE TO BE STUPID!" it was the greatest thing ever, because I completely did not expect it. I actually yelled out loud...which I never did for anything else XD. It really made the episode for me. This however, is a LOT bigger than that.

Regardless, the point is that we just don't want spoilers in general on the front page. It has nothing to do with characters specifically.

I know you said people would say this, but that doesn't make it any less true. You need to have a long hard look at yourself when you're getting 'so mad' at anything to do with a kids show.

C'mon, this is a transformers site. There's nothing in here that doesn't have to do with a kids show. You've never gotten mad at anything Transformers related? More significant to what we are speaking of, you've never gotten upset at having a good book or a movie or tv series spoiled for you? Hearing or seeing something you absolutely did NOT want to hear/see? Especially if it didn't need to happen, somebody just didn't care and you couldn't do anything about it. If you know it's going to keep happening and it could easily be prevented, you're gonna want to stop it if you can.

Also Seibertrons counted spoilers as news for as long as I can remember, and what with this being (amongst other things) a Transformers news site, its inevitable that there will be unavoidable spoilers.

Spoilers represent fresh, unknown news, so alot of sites will use them as a way to gather more interest for their site, I believe someone said TFW2005 was doing the same thing? Same reason. Big stories = more page views and spoilers for distant transformers projects are about as big as news gets as far as transformers are concerned

and yet, they can easily have their spoilers and NOT have the actual content of those spoilers on front page, but link to them instead. They've done stuff for guarding spoilers before, and it allows those who don't want the spoilers to keep coming to the site. Right now I'm just waiting to see if something will be done or not. I really do like this site.


...Anyone else getting trouble where while writing a post you get pulled up to the top everytime you stop typing for a while?

I don't see it as spoilers. I like having a little hint as to what is coming up. Makes me want to see the episode all that much more.

Like in Energon. I was pumpped to see Shockblast about 10 episodes before he showed up on TV.

Izanami wrote:C'mon, this is a transformers site. There's nothing in here that doesn't have to do with a kids show. You've never gotten mad at anything Transformers related? More significant to what we are speaking of, you've never gotten upset at having a good book or a movie or tv series spoiled for you? Hearing or seeing something you absolutely did NOT want to hear/see? Especially if it didn't need to happen, somebody just didn't care and you couldn't do anything about it. If you know it's going to keep happening and it could easily be prevented, you're gonna want to stop it if you can.

I haven't gotten mad at anything Transformers related. Actually, I think when pretenders first came out I was like 'thats dumb, those toys suck, I'm not getting them' but aside from that.

I do know what you mean though, I had Sirius Black's death spoiled for me by a family member mere moments before being able to read the book, and that pissed me off no end. But this particular example isn't rrrreally plot related is it? Knowing that a character is going to appear lessens some impact, but it doesn't actually spoil anything does it? And I maintain that having a big picture of the character on the front page will be more interesting to passers-by than 'SPOILERS INSIDE: click here, here and here to see what they are'.

Autobot032 wrote:

Flashback wrote:Besides, the enjoyment from TF: Animated tends to come in how its written, not who's in it. If it was just about the characters that appear, you might as well just stare at a toy catalogue for 20 minutes.

*slow clap*

I'll second the slow clap, leading in to a full round of applause.


*I'm not beyond staring at a toy catalog for more than 20 minutes, but my toons and comics better be more than that. In Transformers, we know the possible pool of characters a story has to pull from, the excitement is watching it unfold.

The spoilers do bother me, because they take away all the fun of speculating about what's coming next. I've avoided reading spoilers, but if you want to participate in online discussions, it can start to feel like you're out of the loop.

You can't speculate without being told something was already confirmed last week.

I'd prefer if instead of posting spoilers, those fans who live in areas that get it early would just upload the new episodes for the rest of us.

[quote="Flashback"] I do know what you mean though, I had Sirius Black's death spoiled for me by a family member mere moments before being able to read the book, and that pissed me off no end. But this particular example isn't rrrreally plot related is it? [quote]

No but it's still the same idea. Some people actually like watching series and reading books to get into them, so that every twist that comes up brings a genuine reaction. And that includes characters appearing as well as people dying or whatever, and it shouldn't be right to ruin it for them with no warning and especially without as much as an apology. It is seriously inconsiderate for those of us who actually enjoy the story.

I do know what you mean though, I had Sirius Black's death spoiled for me by a family member mere moments before being able to read the book, and that pissed me off no end. But this particular example isn't rrrreally plot related is it?

Actually it is pretty plot related. I'm guessing you don't follow Animated though, that's fine, but as opposed to Blurr or Wreck-Gar or other such characters having their designs shown, Omega Supreme's actually gives away a certain significant event that would happen, one that many fans who weren't spoiled of it already had been speculating about. Also, the episode mentioned is the season 2 finale, so it's the big finish. Something you never want to be spoiled about if you're phobic about that sorta thing.

Just like Korikon said though, speculating is fun. What's wrong with constraining the confirmations to a spoiler thread? News sites know that many people will avoid spoilers, why make them have to dodge the rest of the news to do so? Plus, kinda giving it away up front at least partially ruins the point of having people actually click the links.
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It's not like they won't anyways if they want them.

I'm new to the site so I just find this a suprise that they wouldn't have some sort of policy, especially since some people have said that there used to be one. Eh anyways, I just think there's a way for everyone to be happy in the situation.

Izanami wrote:
Actually it is pretty plot related. I'm guessing you don't follow Animated though, that's fine

Not sure what gives you that idea sport, I follow it as well as anyone can in Australia. Big fan of the show. Not a big fan of spoilers either, funnily enough, my main point was that anyone who uses 'serious' or 'important' in reference to the issue of spoilers needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Flashback wrote:

Izanami wrote:
Actually it is pretty plot related. I'm guessing you don't follow Animated though, that's fine

Not sure what gives you that idea sport, I follow it as well as anyone can in Australia. Big fan of the show. Not a big fan of spoilers either, funnily enough, my main point was that anyone who uses 'serious' or 'important' in reference to the issue of spoilers needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

I think you need to consider that some peoples values may be, you know, different.

I don't mean to blow this all out of proportion or make a huge deal of it, but this is whats wrong with the world. We can't accept that other people just have different views to us. We have to either ignore those views and end up like this situation here, or we have to charge in and try to annihilate them. What the hell's the point?

We clearly see something that you people don't. Whether or not you understand where we're coming from, why we think that way, or whatever, is irelevant. What matters is that we have a different value, we are diverse, we demand respect.

One simple damn thing.

I'm sick to death of people going "lol get over it" because no matter how intelligently you put your argument as to why we should, the moment you begin to think that train of thought you're only proving your own idiocy. No we wont get over it. We have a point of view and all we ask is that other people respect us, as we respect their views. If any of us have gone into spoiler threads and said 'u guys r gay lookin at spoilers lol' then screw them too.

This is hardly even about goddam spoilers anymore! This is about the simple concept of respecting other people's damn views. What the hell is so difficult?

So shut the hell up with your 'get over it' crap. Shut the hell up with trying to belittle our opinions by just saying this is all about a silly little cartoon. Shut the hell up about 'well everyone knew this or that anyway. Just respect the fact that we wanted to enjoy the story without knowing ANYTHING of what was going to happen. Respect the fact that we are not you. Pity us if you want. Just shut the hell up and show a little respect.

God I hate people.

And for all that I've probably used 'hell' and 'damn' enough times to offend some Christians. Lifes a bitch, eh?

I've got no problem with people discussing spoilers in threads that are clear they will be discussing such things. We're an international fanbase, it would be unreasonable to expect people who have seen something aren't going to discuss it until the rest have caught up.

However, I really don't see why it's being plastered across the front page of websites. It's kinda putting me off watching, to be honest. I haven't got into Animated yet, and now I know what's going to happen, I'm not sure I can be bothered.