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News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:26 pm

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News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:59 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:But who would you say is more ruthless between Hal and Batman?

Batman is way more ruthless.

Hal has his moments but he's basically a inter galactic cop that believes in the Justice system

Batman believes that there in no justice....unless you make it your self.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:28 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
God Thundercracker wrote:But who would you say is more ruthless between Hal and Batman?

Batman is way more ruthless.

Yeah, I'm going with Batman on this one too.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Batman believes that there in no justice....unless you make it your self.

That's the same position as The Punisher. Except if the Punisher ever fought the Joker, the Joker would not be a recurring villain.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:33 pm

Shadowman wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Batman believes that there in no justice....unless you make it your self.

That's the same position as The Punisher. Except if the Punisher ever fought the Joker, the Joker would not be a recurring villain.

I wouldnt go that far.

The Joker is pretty adept at getting away when he really wants to.

the way I see it as long as he can get away he'll live.

But if he ever gets caught by the Punisher its all over.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:11 pm

I wonder if the reason Hal gets so much hate from fans is because Batman, who is DC's most popular character, hates Hal? :-?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:36 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:I wonder if the reason Hal gets so much hate from fans is because Batman, who is DC's most popular character, hates Hal?

I dont think thats the case.

I think the Hal hate stems from the inability of the writters to make the character interesting.

Not to say that in the last 2 years they havent done a good job but over all, Hal Jordan has seen more canceled comic runs then many of the other DC alumni.

And to top it off DC made some mistakes with his character like making him a Bigot, trying to tell more interesting stories but ultimately leaving a bad taste in readers mouths.

Making him a pedophile wasnt that good of a choise either.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:02 pm

I'm more inclined to believe that it has a LOT to do with Batman's attitude toward Hal.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:14 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:I'm more inclined to believe that it has a LOT to do with Batman's attitude toward Hal.

Batman also hates the Joker, but that doesn't mean people hate the Joker. I don't think Batman's opinion of other characters can sway reader's opinions.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:43 pm

Shadowman wrote:
God Thundercracker wrote:I'm more inclined to believe that it has a LOT to do with Batman's attitude toward Hal.

Batman also hates the Joker, but that doesn't mean people hate the Joker. I don't think Batman's opinion of other characters can sway reader's opinions.

But Batman hates Hal alot more than he hates the Joker. I'd say Hal is probably DC's least popular character.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:01 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
God Thundercracker wrote:I'm more inclined to believe that it has a LOT to do with Batman's attitude toward Hal.

Batman also hates the Joker, but that doesn't mean people hate the Joker. I don't think Batman's opinion of other characters can sway reader's opinions.

But Batman hates Hal alot more than he hates the Joker. I'd say Hal is probably DC's least popular character.

He does? He hates Hal, who is basically an intergalactic cop, more than the guy who killed Jason Todd and paralyzed Barbara Gordon from the waste down?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:12 pm

Shadowman wrote:Batman also hates the Joker, but that doesn't mean people hate the Joker. I don't think Batman's opinion of other characters can sway reader's opinions.

Agreed.

God Thundercracker wrote:But Batman hates Hal alot more than he hates the Joker.

Nonsense.Batman has never tried to kill Hal.

The Joker killed the second Robin, Paralyzed Batgirl and killed Jim Gordans wife.

Trust me theres almost no one Batman hates more then the Joker.

God Thundercracker wrote: I'd say Hal is probably DC's least popular character.

And how is that Batmans fault???

Thasts the fault of the writters.

Hal was one od DC least popular characters durring the Silver age and then Hal and Batman were friends.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:41 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Batman also hates the Joker, but that doesn't mean people hate the Joker. I don't think Batman's opinion of other characters can sway reader's opinions.

Agreed.

God Thundercracker wrote:But Batman hates Hal alot more than he hates the Joker.

Nonsense.Batman has never tried to kill Hal.

The Joker killed the second Robin, Paralyzed Batgirl and killed Jim Gordans wife.

Trust me theres almost no one Batman hates more then the Joker.

God Thundercracker wrote: I'd say Hal is probably DC's least popular character.

And how is that Batmans fault???

Thasts the fault of the writters.

Hal was one od DC least popular characters durring the Silver age and then Hal and Batman were friends.

I don't recall them ever being friends.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:35 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Hal was one od DC least popular characters durring the Silver age and then Hal and Batman were friends.

I don't recall them ever being friends.

Then you dont recall a great deal.

This "Batman doent get along with groups or other heroes" trend started in the late 70's to early 80's.

Before that Batman was pretty much good friends with the entire JLA, going to X-mas parities birthday parities and even singing with other characters.

He was quite friendly with Hal.

by **Inferno Prime** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:02 am

Not to say that in the last 2 years they havent done a good job but over all, Hal Jordan has seen more canceled comic runs then many of the other DC alumni.

Thor, the legion and Supergirl want a word with you.

But Batman hates Hal alot more than he hates the Joker. I'd say Hal is probably DC's least popular character.

And yet saleswise he's DC's second top selling solo title after batman. He's going to be star of next years big crossover. Yeah, he's really unpopular.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:52 am

Inferno Prime wrote:
Not to say that in the last 2 years they havent done a good job but over all, Hal Jordan has seen more canceled comic runs then many of the other DC alumni.

Thor, the legion and Supergirl want a word with you.

What does Thor have to do with any of this....hes Marvel not DC.And I know DC has a "Thor" as well but as far as I know they never gave him a solo series.

And I didnt say that Hal saw the most canceled runs.

And I really would call Supergirl or the Legion part of DC's alumni.

To me that title falls to the characters that stared in their own book in the silver age.

Superman
Batman
Wonderwoman
Auqaman
The Silver Age Green lantern [Hal]
The silver age Flash [Barry]

Or characters that were members of the Silver age JLA like

Hawkman [Katar Hal]
The Martian Manhunter.

Inferno Prime wrote:
But Batman hates Hal alot more than he hates the Joker. I'd say Hal is probably DC's least popular character.

And yet saleswise he's DC's second top selling solo title after batman. He's going to be star of next years big crossover. Yeah, he's really unpopular.

Yeah I forgot to point that out.

Hal is one of the most popular DC characters in print these days.

He's out selling Superman wonderwoman and the JLA.

Even I'm reading Hal right now.

And its because ,for the moment anyway, they are making him an interesting character for the first time since the 90's.

And then it was because they made him a mass murderer.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:27 pm

by **God Thundercracker** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:36 pm

Do you think Batman should kill Hal? Not in self-defense, but a revenge-killing?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:58 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:Do you think Batman should kill Hal? Not in self-defense, but a revenge-killing?

No offense but this seems like a very stupid question.

A revenge killing????revenge for what???

Not to mention that Batman doesnt go around killing people on a regular bases.

by **God Thundercracker** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:01 pm

I can't stand Batman. Ever since the mid-1990s, he's acted like a spoiled rich boy who thinks he's better than everyone else.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:16 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:I can't stand Batman. Ever since the mid-1990s, he's acted like a spoiled rich boy who thinks he's better than everyone else.

Can you provide an example of that behavior????

by **God Thundercracker** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:22 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
God Thundercracker wrote:I can't stand Batman. Ever since the mid-1990s, he's acted like a spoiled rich boy who thinks he's better than everyone else.

Can you provide an example of that behavior????

Yeah, when he got on Wonder Woman's case for killing Max Lord. That really annoyed me, because I thought it was necessary in order to stop Max from taking control of Superman again, and because Batman was partly responsible for the problem in the first place, what with his spy satellite crap.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:44 pm

doesnt seem like a good example imho. batman still rocks the whole killing is bad philosophy. thats not being a spoiled rich kid. is there any more to the story than he yelled at wonder woman?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:26 am

God Thundercracker wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
God Thundercracker wrote:I can't stand Batman. Ever since the mid-1990s, he's acted like a spoiled rich boy who thinks he's better than everyone else.

Can you provide an example of that behavior????

Yeah, when he got on Wonder Woman's case for killing Max Lord. That really annoyed me, because I thought it was necessary in order to stop Max from taking control of Superman again, and because Batman was partly responsible for the problem in the first place, what with his spy satellite crap.

None of which is an example of Batman acting like a "spoiled rich boy who thinks he's better than everyone else".

And in the long run the spy satellite had nothing to do with Max's control of Superman.

So I'm still waiting for an example of the behavior you described.

by **God Thundercracker** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:59 am

Why was Hal mourning Batman's death in Blackest Night 0? I would think he would be celebrating, given the long history of animosity between them.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:15 am

God Thundercracker wrote:Why was Hal mourning Batman's death in Blackest Night 0? I would think he would be celebrating, given the long history of animosity between them.

Because he's not a villain? Anymore, at least. Batman's rogues gallery would be celebrating, but another hero, even one that didn't like Batman (Which is a decent portion of the DC universe) would not.