Deluxe
- Prowl
- Night Shade Bumblebee
Simplified Deluxe
- Twinstrike
- Bumblebee
- Smokescreen
- Windrazor
Simplified Voyager
- Predaking
Optimus Prime
Cyberverse
- Ultra Magnus
- Decepticon Bludgeon
- Unicron Megatron
- Rot Gut
- Dive Bomb
- Bluestreak
- Ace Vehicon
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Mindmaster wrote:The rest of them... urgh, Hasbro's pulling a Microsoft and shooting themselves in the foot with those simplified Deluxes and Voyagers.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
craggy wrote:is the Voyager Predaking with the clear wings an over-sized Commander too?
Beast Planet Fallen, anyone?
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Metrosuplex wrote:Mindmaster wrote:The rest of them... urgh, Hasbro's pulling a Microsoft and shooting themselves in the foot with those simplified Deluxes and Voyagers.
This is actually a natural move on Hasbro's part. Have you seen the Iron Man 3 figures? They're simplified - no elbow or knee joints.
I look at it as Hasbro reducing production costs in order to keep the toy prices where they are and/or lowering costs overall to improve corporate profitability.
When you think about it, this simplification of Deluxes (from Legions) is the optimal solution (versus replacing TF's with Kreon's or Bot-shot non-transforming figures).
Furthermore, I'd be interested to see how the intended audience (children) react to these new deluxes. For some reason, I predict a positive reaction - when I was a kid, poseability wasn't the priority (and just look at the G1 figures' poseability!).
gavinfuzzy wrote:Will these Terrorcons combine?
I only see 2/5 of the Terrorcons here.
If they are making all, and they combine...
Only complaint is that these upscaled cyberverse is going to shelfwarm...
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Metrosuplex wrote:Mindmaster wrote:The rest of them... urgh, Hasbro's pulling a Microsoft and shooting themselves in the foot with those simplified Deluxes and Voyagers.
This is actually a natural move on Hasbro's part. Have you seen the Iron Man 3 figures? They're simplified - no elbow or knee joints.
I look at it as Hasbro reducing production costs in order to keep the toy prices where they are and/or lowering costs overall to improve corporate profitability.
When you think about it, this simplification of Deluxes (from Legions) is the optimal solution (versus replacing TF's with Kreon's or Bot-shot non-transforming figures).
Furthermore, I'd be interested to see how the intended audience (children) react to these new deluxes. For some reason, I predict a positive reaction - when I was a kid, poseability wasn't the priority (and just look at the G1 figures' poseability!).
craggy wrote:I remember when the G1 toys started simplifying as new molds were being created in conjunction with Hasbro, rather than just Diaclone toys being repainted. By the time Headmasters rolled around and the gimmicks started, I was still plenty happy and excited by Transformers, but my parents, who bought me the toys, saw the drop in quality and didn't get me many. We got the Classic Heroes reissues here around the same sort of time, so I was still able to get some of them, but the new, cheaper, less posable (and all plastic vs plastic/die-cast/chrome combos) bots were ones my folks discouraged me against. I can imagine that similar things will happen to kids with parents who value their money more.
I don't think making worse toys for more money is a great way to keep the brand ticking along. An all-repaint line, even if they went back a few years for molds, would probably do at least as good. Beyond some of the major characters (and really, isn't every kid who likes TFs going to have at least a couple Bumblebees and Primes by now?) the characters shouldn't matter, since there won't be a show to promote them by the time these come out. If they didn't want to repaint the early BH and/or older Prime stuff then why not just delve into older lines for filler stuff, or go all-out with the Generations stuff? I wouldn't be surprised at the poor value of these supposed Deluxes turning off consumers and leading them to ignore later, probably better designed toys in the future.
T-Macksimus wrote:If you're from the same age range as me then poseability wasn't an issue because we had 5 points of articulation on our classic Star Wars figures and we were happy as pigs in slop! We didn't know any better. The pinnacle of poseability was the original 12" 1960's G.I. Joe figures and those were a rarity by the time our generation started messing with TF's and while Micro-Man figures were great for flexibility, they were not very common in all areas and they were rather fragile and certainly not suitable for any kid under 10 years of age if you wanted them to last more than 30 seconds.
While I admire your optimism and can certainly see a certain logic behind Hasbro's move, I think they are not properly gauging the reaction of the kids. Their strategy is only going to win over the 7 and under crowd. Any kid older than that is going to say "Screw this!" and lose interest in the first minute. It's still the ADD generation, the generation that HAS to have something "over the top" to hold their attention for more than 5 minutes and doesn't give 2 shits that mom and dad can't afford it. Whatever Habro's reason for making this move, I'm not buying that it's for any desire to get back to basics or that it is strictly a cost issue either and I certainly don't harbor any illusions that they are going to drop their prices back to what they were a few years ago. No, we are going to get less product...again... and get the price raised on us... again!
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Do we know how much these oversized cyberverse figures are going to cost? I'f they're cheaper than most deluxes and voyagers I can maybe get on board with them. If not it's kind of a slap in the face to charge full price for an oversized version of the cheap alternative.
That Bot wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:Do we know how much these oversized cyberverse figures are going to cost? I'f they're cheaper than most deluxes and voyagers I can maybe get on board with them. If not it's kind of a slap in the face to charge full price for an oversized version of the cheap alternative.
The labels in front of them say the upscaled deluxes have an MSRP of $12.99 and the voyagers $19.99.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
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