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Wow, I got my BBTS notice too! Woot! Too bad I just shipped my POL so I'd have some stuff for the Thanksgiving weekend. Now I'll just wait for Fortis.

Rated X wrote:

megatronus wrote:Just got the TFsource notification that this guy's in stock! Woot!

That's good news...now how about BBTS ? I want to ship my POL but still waiting for Sharkies and Trace. I gave up on FP Motormaster. We havent even see the box yet. Im calling next year on that one...

Next year on MM would stink... My order with TFsource is just SR & MM. So I'll be stuck waiting.

Good thing I'm sort of a patient dude.

Smart Robin is in my PoL!

And now gets to sit there for a couple of months

Arctorro wrote:Smart Robin is in my PoL!

And now gets to sit there for a couple of months

This is the life we live

Kapow has this fella in stock http://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/fansproject.html?p=2

megatronus wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Smart Robin is in my PoL!

And now gets to sit there for a couple of months

This is the life we live

Yep, rather this than never having these fantastic toys though

How big are these FP Headmasters. Does anyone feel like doing some comparisons pics with some of Hasbro's deluxes & voyagers. are they tall deluxes like 2.0 Cyclonus or small deluxes like 1.0 Rodimus. how do these height up compared to some of Hasbro's movie voyagers.

i haven't got my camera on hand right now, but Quad-U is eye to eye with deluxe Cyclonus and
Code with the Sideswipe mold, so they're tall deluxes.
comparing to movie figures, Code is eye to eye with battle-blade bee, voy shockwave and lugnut.
if you take head height, he stands taller than blackout but shorter than ratchet and is easily taller than most of the movie deluxes

I just talked to Dr. Wu about FansProject's not-Brainstorm and suggested him to design a mouthplate and/or accessories (hey, maybe the yellow suitcase and forcefield generators from the MTMTE comics) for this toy.

Thank you for your advice, I will consider and study.

That was his reply. Perhaps most of you don't care, who knows... but I'd seriously consider buying this figure if it featured a comic-accurate head or an optional mouthplate

Somehow,I have a hard time buying 3rd party deluxes for $68. If these were combiners at least we'd get a big mode out of it. Right now,I've noticed Some 3rd party companies are offering the bigger non combiners for better prices. BTS Overlord is bigger than Supreme Starscream & only cost $250. MMC Hexatron was $130. FT Shockwave was only $140.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Somehow,I have a hard time buying 3rd party deluxes for $68. If these were combiners at least we'd get a big mode out of it. Right now,I've noticed Some 3rd party companies are offering the bigger non combiners for better prices. BTS Overlord is over 16 inches tall & only cost $250. MMC Hexatron was $130. FT Shockwave was only $140.

Outside of their track record, $250 for BTS Nova Lord is too good a price. It just increases my skepticism of their work. FP (in my book at least) has a great track record with these things. Their figures are complex and detailed, and just do a great job.

On MMC Hexatron & FT Quakewave, I'm not seeing the logic in paying 2x as much for a figure that's only 1.5x the height (I know I'm cheating by not including the girth/weight)...

Truth be told, I have Hexatron and love it to death (one of my favorite 3rd Party figures ever).

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Somehow,I have a hard time buying 3rd party deluxes for $68. If these were combiners at least we'd get a big mode out of it. Right now,I've noticed Some 3rd party companies are offering the bigger non combiners for better prices. BTS Overlord is over 16 inches tall & only cost $250. MMC Hexatron was $130. FT Shockwave was only $140.

Outside of their track record, $250 for BTS Nova Lord is too good a price. It just increases my skepticism of their work. FP (in my book at least) has a great track record with these things. Their figures are complex and detailed, and just do a great job.

On MMC Hexatron & FT Quakewave, I'm not seeing the logic in paying 2x as much for a figure that's only 1.5x the height (I know I'm cheating by not including the girth/weight)...

Truth be told, I have Hexatron and love it to death (one of my favorite 3rd Party figures ever).

I just viewed a Few BTS toy listing from the BBTS site. Most of the BTS items seem low in price & high in quality. With the exception of Sonicron.

BTS priced Nova Lord for $250 to compete with the low prices of Hexatron & Quakewave.

BBTS has pics & info on Nova Lord. The weight of the toy will be over Nine Pounds. This means the toy will be using the strong,heavy,high quality plastic. Looking at the pics,The joints won't be loose since they are using the Strong,tight ratchet joints found on the 2004 Transformers toys. The toy is a tripple changer,This means the Transformation will be medium. We all saw the pics,The Sculpt is very high quality,detailed & pretty.

BTS has been around for years. They have built a decent track in quality & releasing items on said release dates.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I just viewed a Few BTS toy listing from the BBTS site. Most of the BTS items seem low in price & high in quality.

BTS priced Nova Lord for $250 to compete with the low prices of Hexatron & Quakewave. Had Takara Sold Quakewave & Hexatron they would have labeled them MP toys & sold them for around $169.99 each. Hasbro & TRU in the states would have sold them for around $110 each.

Check out some video reviews for BTS items - that should give you a better sense. Most of the stylistic & quality points amount to "meh." It's hard to really tell quality by promotional product photos on websites that want you to go ahead and buy the darned things.

I'm not discounting the possibility that BTS has really upped their game; they well might have. I just need to see further proof before even considering a purchase (setting aside the size in relation to a Classics collection).

Hexatron isn't really MP scale, so it's harder to tell - I think Quakewave is a better analogy. BBTS is selling Quakewave for $160 - I imagine a Japanese import would cost the same. But you're right - a domestically released Shockwave would probably cost about $100. Maybe even less... since it's a "no-frills" character (Optimus had a trailer, Soundwave had minions), we might see a domestic release go for $60-75.

megatronus wrote:Hexatron isn't really MP scale, so it's harder to tell

Cant say I agree. If Hexatron isnt MP scale, what scale is it ? I try to sugarcoat it in my collection as being classics scale based on his comic book gigantic size. But if we go by traditional G1 cartoon scale (The Rebirth) Hexatron is MP scale.

Rated X wrote:

megatronus wrote:Hexatron isn't really MP scale, so it's harder to tell

Cant say I agree. If Hexatron isnt MP scale, what scale is it ? I try to sugarcoat it in my collection as being classics scale based on his comic book gigantic size. But if we go by traditional G1 cartoon scale (The Rebirth) Hexatron is MP scale.

You mean the G1 cartoon scale where Sixshot is a head shorter than Optimus, Soundwave, etc.?

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I just viewed a Few BTS toy listing from the BBTS site. Most of the BTS items seem low in price & high in quality.

BTS priced Nova Lord for $250 to compete with the low prices of Hexatron & Quakewave. Had Takara Sold Quakewave & Hexatron they would have labeled them MP toys & sold them for around $169.99 each. Hasbro & TRU in the states would have sold them for around $110 each.

Check out some video reviews for BTS items - that should give you a better sense. Most of the stylistic & quality points amount to "meh." It's hard to really tell quality by promotional product photos on websites that want you to go ahead and buy the darned things.

I'm not discounting the possibility that BTS has really upped their game; they well might have. I just need to see further proof before even considering a purchase (setting aside the size in relation to a Classics collection).

Hexatron isn't really MP scale, so it's harder to tell - I think Quakewave is a better analogy. BBTS is selling Quakewave for $160 - I imagine a Japanese import would cost the same. But you're right - a domestically released Shockwave would probably cost about $100. Maybe even less... since it's a "no-frills" character (Optimus had a trailer, Soundwave had minions), we might see a domestic release go for $60-75.

Everyone will get a Youtube video to view the Nova Lord toy weeks before it's release date.

BTS Nova Lord isnt oversized. The toy is suspose to be this big. Since the 1988 toy was huge. Overlord was the size of GodGinrai in the Cartoon. Nova Lord is not meant to be in scale with the Classics toys. Nova Lord is meant to be in scale with MP TF toys since it's labeled a MP toy.

TRU has raised there exclusives TF prices. The 2012-2013 price for Hasbro TRU MP toys are around $100-$120

Tsutsukakushi wrote:BTS Nova Lord isnt oversized. The toy is suspose to be this big. Since the 1988 toy was huge. Overlord was the size of GodGinrai in the Cartoon. Nova Lord is not meant to be in scale with the Classics toys. Nova Lord is meant to be in scale with MP TF toys since it's labeled a MP toy.

All I'll say on MPs is that it is not an MP unless it is slavishly G1-accurate, which Nova Lord is not. So this may scale with other MPs. It just might. But it is not an MP toy. Sorry, I'm somewhat (maybe not justifiably) anal about this.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:TRU has raised there exclusives TF prices. The 2012-2013 price for Hasbro TRU MP toys are around $100-$120

Again, that price point was only for MPs with extras - Optimus with trailer, Soundwave with minions. Thundercracker was, and Acid Storm still is, in the $60-$75 range.

All I'm saying is that since Shockwave may not come with extras, he may fall into the $75 price point, as has been true with similar MPs in the past.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:How big are these FP Headmasters. Does anyone feel like doing some comparisons pics with some of Hasbro's deluxes & voyagers. are they tall deluxes like 2.0 Cyclonus or small deluxes like 1.0 Rodimus. how do these height up compared to some of Hasbro's movie voyagers.

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:BTS Nova Lord isnt oversized. The toy is suspose to be this big. Since the 1988 toy was huge. Overlord was the size of GodGinrai in the Cartoon. Nova Lord is not meant to be in scale with the Classics toys. Nova Lord is meant to be in scale with MP TF toys since it's labeled a MP toy.

All I'll say on MPs is that it is not an MP unless it is slavishly G1-accurate, which Nova Lord is not. So this may scale with other MPs. It just might. But it is not an MP toy. Sorry, I'm somewhat (maybe not justifiably) anal about this.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:TRU has raised there exclusives TF prices. The 2012-2013 price for Hasbro TRU MP toys are around $100-$120

Again, that price point was only for MPs with extras - Optimus with trailer, Soundwave with minions. Thundercracker was, and Acid Storm still is, in the $60-$75 range.

All I'm saying is that since Shockwave may not come with extras, he may fall into the $75 price point, as has been true with similar MPs in the past.

What defines a 3rd party Masterpiece Transformer toy is higher Sculpt,More articulation & looking somewhat like the original version. Hexatron,Quakewave,Nova Lord & almost all the 3rd party combiners have all of this.

MP Thundercracker,MP Acid storm & MP Soundwave are a size smaller than Hexatron & Quakewave. Smaller size dictates less price. TRU MP Soundwave with the cassettes bumps up to Hexatron's & Quakewaves size price.

Had Hasbro sold MP 10 Optimus,Minus the Trailer. TRU's 2012 price would have been around $85-$90. since it's a size bigger than the MP seekers & Soundwave. The toy cost $119 due to the Trailer.

Let not forget Hextron & Quakewave are almost Eleven inches tall & much bulkier than MP 09 & 10 who are around Nine inches tall. While the MP seekers & MP Soundwave clock in around Eight inches tall. Size always dictates more or less price. Also,Hextron has more parts due to his Six modes. While Quakewave has more electronics & light up features than any MP TF toy Takara has created. All these extras Plus taller height & more bulk raises the MP TF toy price if Hasbro were to sell these toys at TRU.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:...What defines a 3rd party Masterpiece Transformer toy is higher Sculpt,More articulation & looking somewhat like the original version...

Says who? Is there a guide somewhere that lays this out? I'm sorry if this sounds snippy, but I get a little irritated when it appears that someone is telling me how I should view something. It's fine if this is how you view it, and make your decisions on what to buy. None of the rest of us have to do it this way.

Personally, I like Hexatron's scale in classics as it seems to fit well with the Japanese Headmasters. I think the dollar amount for FP's deluxe figures is fine. If I didn't, I may not buy them. It doesn't mean you have to. If you find them too expensive, I can understand that too.

On BTS, didn't they produce a G.I.Joe version of OP (and a green re-color) that was utterly crap for quality? I don't recall for sure if it was them. If it was, then, in my opinion, they need to show vast improvement before I would consider Overlord at the prices they are charging.

For now, I cannot wait until Brainstorm is mine. I look forward to anyone who gets these soon and can post some pics. I swear I heard something about an optional faceplate, and I'd love confirmation one way or the other from someone who has this in hand.

Agamemnon wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:...What defines a 3rd party Masterpiece Transformer toy is higher Sculpt,More articulation & looking somewhat like the original version...

Says who? Is there a guide somewhere that lays this out? I'm sorry if this sounds snippy, but I get a little irritated when it appears that someone is telling me how I should view something. It's fine if this is how you view it, and make your decisions on what to buy. None of the rest of us have to do it this way.

Personally, I like Hexatron's scale in classics as it seems to fit well with the Japanese Headmasters. I think the dollar amount for FP's deluxe figures is fine. If I didn't, I may not buy them. It doesn't mean you have to. If you find them too expensive, I can understand that too.

On BTS, didn't they produce a G.I.Joe version of OP (and a green re-color) that was utterly crap for quality? I don't recall for sure if it was them. If it was, then, in my opinion, they need to show vast improvement before I would consider Overlord at the prices they are charging.

For now, I cannot wait until Brainstorm is mine. I look forward to anyone who gets these soon and can post some pics. I swear I heard something about an optional faceplate, and I'd love confirmation one way or the other from someone who has this in hand.

BTS didn't create that G.I Joe Optimus Transformer. A 3rd party company called XOvergen,created the Grand Patriot toy.

When a 3rd party TF toy has similar or more Articulation than a Liscensed MP TF toy. These 3rd party TF toys are considered MP toys by default.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:When a 3rd party TF toy has similar or more Articulation than a Liscensed MP TF toy. These 3rd party TF toys are considered MP toys by default.

No they are not

That may be the way you see it, but please don't speak for the rest of us.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:What defines a 3rd party Masterpiece Transformer toy is higher Sculpt,More articulation & looking somewhat like the original version. Hexatron,Quakewave,Nova Lord & almost all the 3rd party combiners have all of this.

I maintain that there is no such thing as a 3rd Party Masterpiece toy. You are never going to convince me otherwise. Toys like Quakewave may fit into a MP collection, but it is not an MP toy, in my humble opinion.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:MP Thundercracker,MP Acid storm & MP Soundwave are a size smaller than Hexatron & Quakewave. Smaller size dictates less price. TRU MP Soundwave with the cassettes bumps up to Hexatron's & Quakewaves size price.

I would like to see pictures of this.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Had Hasbro sold MP 10 Optimus,Minus the Trailer. TRU's 2012 price would have been around $85-$90. since it's a size bigger than the MP seekers & Soundwave. The toy cost $119 due to the Trailer.

You really have no way of knowing this. Please back this up with proof.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Let not forget Hextron & Quakewave are almost Eleven inches tall & much bulkier than MP 09 & 10 who are around Nine inches tall. While the MP seekers & MP Soundwave clock in around Eight inches tall. Size always dictates more or less price. Also,Hextron has more parts due to his Six modes. While Quakewave has more electronics & light up features than any MP TF toy Takara has created. All these extras Plus taller height & more bulk raises the MP TF toy price if Hasbro were to sell these toys at TRU.

If you count Hexatron's kibble, yea, it might be taller than MP Soundwave. But if we're measuring the top of their heads, Hexatron is shorter, which is by no means show accurate - Sixshot is at least a head taller than Galvatron/Soundwave in most depictions of the character. The reason I said that Quakewave was a better analogy, above, is that he and Soundwave are about the same height - Quakewave is actually in MP scale, even if I don't consider the toy itself an MP.

Arctorro wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:When a 3rd party TF toy has similar or more Articulation than a Liscensed MP TF toy. These 3rd party TF toys are considered MP toys by default.

No they are not

That may be the way you see it, but please don't speak for the rest of us.

What he said:

Arctorro wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:When a 3rd party TF toy has similar or more Articulation than a Liscensed MP TF toy. These 3rd party TF toys are considered MP toys by default.

No they are not

That may be the way you see it, but please don't speak for the rest of us.

Bingo. The entire point of my previous statement. We each can have our own opinions, and can even try to convince others that our opinions are justified. None of this is set in stone or an absolute rule.

(And thanks for the correction on Patriot! That saves me some concern with Overlord.)

Agamemnon wrote: And thanks for the correction on Patriot! That saves me some concern with Overlord.)

Your welcome.

megatronus wrote:If you count Hexatron's kibble, yea, it might be taller than MP Soundwave. But if we're measuring the top of their heads, Hexatron is shorter, which is by no means show accurate - Sixshot is at least a head taller than Galvatron/Soundwave in most depictions of the character. The reason I said that Quakewave was a better analogy, above, is that he and Soundwave are about the same height - Quakewave is actually in MP scale, even if I don't consider the toy itself an MP.

This Youtube video on 9:56 shows Hexatron is a half of a head taller than MP Soundwave. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkBF5AUk4qY

This pic shows Hexatron only being one quarter of a inch shorter than MP 10 Optimus. http://kumastyledesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/420.jpg

This link with pics shows Quakewave half of one inch taller than MP Soundwave. The link with pics also shows Quakewave only being one quarter of one inch shorter than MP 10 Optimus. http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... d-121.html

As most know Quakewave has a undersized almost flat head. Had Quakewave been given a normal sized elongated tall head,he would be taller than MP 10 Optimus. As the top of quakewave's shoulders & chest are taller than MP 10 Convoy's shoulders & top chest.

MP 10 Optimus cheats a bit in height as Takara gave the toy a extremely oversized head with huge antenna ears.

As most know Hexatron comes with a undersized round robot head. In these comparisons pics Hexatron's top chest are taller than MP 10 Optimus.

Another 3rd party company called Clonedroid is giving Hexatron a normal taller elongated robot head with bigger antenna ears. This newer head sculpt is one third of a inch taller. it will make Quakewave a bit taller than MP 10 Optimus measuring from the toes to the heads.

MP Soundwave is still half of a head shorter than Hexatron. Despite Hexatron having a undersized round short head. While Takara gave MP Soundwave a bigger oversized longer head than they gave MP 10 Optimus.

In this pic MP Soundwave & MP Starscream are almost the same size from head to toe. Sounwave is a bit taller due to Takara giving him a oversized tall robot head. http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r90/ ... 223304.jpg

When MP Starscream wears the kings coronation crown,him & MP Sounwave are the same height from head to toe.