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Trikeboy wrote:

NOS wrote:

necr0blivion wrote:But there's nothing from the announcements at Toy Fair that shows any competition for a Stunticons/Menasor set. Not even Kreons! How I sure would like a Stunticon set in wave 3 of the combiners. So there's no true reason to speed up production or leaking out information.

Actually, I think I saw some stunticon botshots pics floating around, though, I suppose that doesn't technically count.

Yeah, Hasbro are countering Fansproject with non combining Botshots.

They really took the kiddie-gloves off on that one, didn't they?

NOS wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

NOS wrote:

necr0blivion wrote:But there's nothing from the announcements at Toy Fair that shows any competition for a Stunticons/Menasor set. Not even Kreons! How I sure would like a Stunticon set in wave 3 of the combiners. So there's no true reason to speed up production or leaking out information.

Actually, I think I saw some stunticon botshots pics floating around, though, I suppose that doesn't technically count.

Yeah, Hasbro are countering Fansproject with non combining Botshots.

They really took the kiddie-gloves off on that one, didn't they?

Hahaha Oooohhh look out Fansproject everyone's going to pass up on combining Neo classics Stunticons for little simple Botshots.

NOS wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

NOS wrote:

necr0blivion wrote:But there's nothing from the announcements at Toy Fair that shows any competition for a Stunticons/Menasor set. Not even Kreons! How I sure would like a Stunticon set in wave 3 of the combiners. So there's no true reason to speed up production or leaking out information.

Actually, I think I saw some stunticon botshots pics floating around, though, I suppose that doesn't technically count.

Yeah, Hasbro are countering Fansproject with non combining Botshots.

They really took the kiddie-gloves off on that one, didn't they?

Hasbro's still got it's mittens clipped to it's sleeves like a special ed kid in the springtime. They're content with their handful of terrible repaints and PCC's. It's not like they didn't know about FP's offering as long as we have and it's not like they couldn't have beaten them to the punch. As the 3P MP Soundwave fiasco proved, if they offer something that another company is making, they kill it. They didn't even try on this one.

zodconvoy wrote:

NOS wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

NOS wrote:

necr0blivion wrote:But there's nothing from the announcements at Toy Fair that shows any competition for a Stunticons/Menasor set. Not even Kreons! How I sure would like a Stunticon set in wave 3 of the combiners. So there's no true reason to speed up production or leaking out information.

Actually, I think I saw some stunticon botshots pics floating around, though, I suppose that doesn't technically count.

Yeah, Hasbro are countering Fansproject with non combining Botshots.

They really took the kiddie-gloves off on that one, didn't they?

Hasbro's still got it's mittens clipped to it's sleeves like a special ed kid in the springtime. They're content with their handful of terrible repaints and PCC's. It's not like they didn't know about FP's offering as long as we have and it's not like they couldn't have beaten them to the punch. As the 3P MP Soundwave fiasco proved, if they offer something that another company is making, they kill it. They didn't even try on this one.

I'm starting to wonder about the 30th anniversary Classics line. From what we've seen of the beginnings, Hasbro is hitting a lot of figures that haven't had proper treatment, like Springer and Blitzwing. Could a Menasor be far behind? Would Hasbro consider any re-paints of previous figures to fill out the line?

Agamemnon wrote:I'm starting to wonder about the 30th anniversary Classics line. From what we've seen of the beginnings, Hasbro is hitting a lot of figures that haven't had proper treatment, like Springer and Blitzwing. Could a Menasor be far behind? Would Hasbro consider any re-paints of previous figures to fill out the line?

Can't say for sure on Menasor. Given FOC Bruticus I'd say this FP one is probably still a better bet, but on the subject of repaints: I'll be amazed if there's no repaints at all in the line.

craggy wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:I'm starting to wonder about the 30th anniversary Classics line. From what we've seen of the beginnings, Hasbro is hitting a lot of figures that haven't had proper treatment, like Springer and Blitzwing. Could a Menasor be far behind? Would Hasbro consider any re-paints of previous figures to fill out the line?

Can't say for sure on Menasor. Given FOC Bruticus I'd say this FP one is probably still a better bet, but on the subject of repaints: I'll be amazed if there's no repaints at all in the line.

The simple fact is Hasbro haven't been able to produce a decent combiner since G1. The only time an official combiner comes out nowadays that is worth buying is if 1. There are 3rd party upgrades to make it look decent like for Bruticus and Superion or 2. They re release a classic combiner like Devastator or the Seacons.

Trikeboy wrote:

NOS wrote:

necr0blivion wrote:But there's nothing from the announcements at Toy Fair that shows any competition for a Stunticons/Menasor set. Not even Kreons! How I sure would like a Stunticon set in wave 3 of the combiners. So there's no true reason to speed up production or leaking out information.

Actually, I think I saw some stunticon botshots pics floating around, though, I suppose that doesn't technically count.

Yeah, Hasbro are countering Fansproject with non combining Botshots.

I saw this post and was like...... I would hope Hasbro would do better, especially with the bomb they dropped on us with Springer and Blitzwing.

Trikeboy wrote:The simple fact is Hasbro haven't been able to produce a decent combiner since G1.

Let's be honest.
The G1 Combiners weren't exactly marvels of engineering.

Better looking than energon combiners, yes.
Better than FoC Bruticus, also yes.

Had PCC had triple changing limbs instead of those static pieces of junk, they would, very likely, have cleaned up.

rpetras wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:The simple fact is Hasbro haven't been able to produce a decent combiner since G1.

Let's be honest.
The G1 Combiners weren't exactly marvels of engineering.

Better looking than energon combiners, yes.
Better than FoC Bruticus, also yes.

Had PCC had triple changing limbs instead of those static pieces of junk, they would, very likely, have cleaned up.

Here's my 2 cents on this whole thing.

Of the Scramble city-style combiners, only 3 to my knowledge have their extremities contained within the limb robots. That would be TFC's Devastator and Superion, and Hasbro's Bruticus. Every other Gestalt through the ages by the companies require accessories that end up in a parts bin, or more likely as a kid, lost and thus reducing the play value of the combiner as a whole. I know I had a Bruticus missing his hands as a kid.

I don't own Hasbro's Bruticus (it'll be arriving this week) but people comparing FP's Stunticons to Hasbro's Bruticus are comparing apples to oranges. Comparing Bruticus to TFC's figures would be more appropriate, and considering the overall blockyness of TFC's combiners as a means of incorporating the gestalt limbs, it's obvious that major sacrifices must be made in the individual robot design.

*whispers* You forgot R.I.D. Rail Racer and Landfill. *whispers*

NOS wrote:*whispers* You forgot R.I.D. Rail Racer and Landfill. *whispers*

No, I didn't forget them.

Rail Racer -was- a decent combiner and wasn't G1.

In any case, my comment was directed at Mkall as more to support the claim behind the design suffering in order to incorporate hands/feet. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

FoC Bruticus is actually a marvel of engineering, in my opinion. The limbs are not only Scramble City style in their ability to switch between feet and hands, but the right and left limbs are able to be swapped, with the thumb ajdustable to the proper hand. Sure, there are aesthetic complaints about limbs being too long, Onslaught being too small, and the karate chop limb, but, engineering such limbs requires some sacrifices somewhere. Even TFC Herc and Uranus make compromises with the hands. FoC Bruticus (and the Wreckers repaint) keep all limb and combining accessories integrated into the vehicles. The only things to be lost are weapons, so I can be assured that my kid will never play with a handless Bruticus, or one that cannot stand for missing a foot.

Yay, my Breakdown arrived today. Such a solid little figure. I ordered from Chimungmung.com





^ This pose was unsupported. The toy has great balance.

Sweet! BBTS should be shipping before too long. Good day for me. I get to move from a cube into an office, my Surface Pro showed up at Best Buy, and another FP product is in the pipeline for release.

Sweet. Love the picture of him next to Bumblebee. He looks like he just wants to punch Bumblebee in the face.

Agamemnon wrote:FoC Bruticus is actually a marvel of engineering, in my opinion. The limbs are not only Scramble City style in their ability to switch between feet and hands, but the right and left limbs are able to be swapped, with the thumb ajdustable to the proper hand. Sure, there are aesthetic complaints about limbs being too long, Onslaught being too small, and the karate chop limb, but, engineering such limbs requires some sacrifices somewhere. Even TFC Herc and Uranus make compromises with the hands. FoC Bruticus (and the Wreckers repaint) keep all limb and combining accessories integrated into the vehicles. The only things to be lost are weapons, so I can be assured that my kid will never play with a handless Bruticus, or one that cannot stand for missing a foot.

I hate intergrated combiner parts. They relly sacrfice from the look of both the combiner and the individual bots. I say keep them separate. A lost head or foot is a lesson learned. Take better care of your toys. I still have every part to my original G1 Devastator, Bruticus, Abominus, and Piranacon from when I was a kid.

Rated X wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:FoC Bruticus is actually a marvel of engineering, in my opinion. The limbs are not only Scramble City style in their ability to switch between feet and hands, but the right and left limbs are able to be swapped, with the thumb ajdustable to the proper hand. Sure, there are aesthetic complaints about limbs being too long, Onslaught being too small, and the karate chop limb, but, engineering such limbs requires some sacrifices somewhere. Even TFC Herc and Uranus make compromises with the hands. FoC Bruticus (and the Wreckers repaint) keep all limb and combining accessories integrated into the vehicles. The only things to be lost are weapons, so I can be assured that my kid will never play with a handless Bruticus, or one that cannot stand for missing a foot.

I hate intergrated combiner parts. They relly sacrfice from the look of both the combiner and the individual bots. I say keep them separate. A lost head or foot is a lesson learned. Take better care of your toys. I still have every part to my original G1 Devastator, Bruticus, Abominus, and Piranacon from when I was a kid.

Do you have FoC Bruticus? It's actually quite good. The hands fold under/inside and are not visible as kibble in either bot or vehicle mode. Plus, I like the idea of incorporating some aspects of the vehicle into the bot, a-la the feet of Devastator.

My hype is starting to die down for this they either need to be shipped so i can have it in hand and f**k these comparisons or we need to see the end results as i'm a little disappointed at that BB comparison.

Rated X wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:FoC Bruticus is actually a marvel of engineering, in my opinion. The limbs are not only Scramble City style in their ability to switch between feet and hands, but the right and left limbs are able to be swapped, with the thumb ajdustable to the proper hand. Sure, there are aesthetic complaints about limbs being too long, Onslaught being too small, and the karate chop limb, but, engineering such limbs requires some sacrifices somewhere. Even TFC Herc and Uranus make compromises with the hands. FoC Bruticus (and the Wreckers repaint) keep all limb and combining accessories integrated into the vehicles. The only things to be lost are weapons, so I can be assured that my kid will never play with a handless Bruticus, or one that cannot stand for missing a foot.

I hate intergrated combiner parts. They relly sacrfice from the look of both the combiner and the individual bots. I say keep them separate. A lost head or foot is a lesson learned. Take better care of your toys. I still have every part to my original G1 Devastator, Bruticus, Abominus, and Piranacon from when I was a kid.

Yeah I got the Takara and G2 versions. The only reason they were able to intergrate the hands so well is because of the small size. If he had gotten nice size hands like FP Bruticus, they would have never been able to pull it off. Plus that karate chop hand, ughhh. I am really interested in that add on kit, I just wish it wasnt Shapeways.

Digibashed by Necio...

daimchoc wrote:Digibashed by Necio...

Looks nice. Almost like something out of Speed Racer. For a race team, that's a good thing.

Very bizarre euro cars indeed.

i do really like those car modes. still not feeling the bots though. need more pics to win me round

Blackbird just came in today, and it made me think about the scale of Uranos Vs. Not-Menasor. I compared a not Bombshell to Falcon. Going to be perfect. Superion should be bigger. Planes vs. Cars... it's going to look great. Anyone else think it's okay that Menasor will be much shorter than Superion?