Noideaforaname wrote:For me, the differences between male and female become too subtle past a certain point. Stylized/Non-human characters with a generic enough build can become effectively androgynous. I mean, if you told me that these characters:
... were female, I'd believe it. If you told me they're male, I'd just as readily believe it. Transformers (for the most part, including the Victorion molds) are the same way. There simply isn't anything telling me -blatantly- what gender these people are.
I totally get wanting female proportions regardless of the exact builds, but me personally I can't tell the difference anyways.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Delta Magnus wrote:TLDR: Proportions are far more important than having high-heels or being pink.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:It's just like what they taught in art school; in human faces, angular lines evoke masculinity and soft flowing lines evoke femininity.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:It's just like what they taught in art school; in human faces, angular lines evoke masculinity and soft flowing lines evoke femininity.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Amelie wrote:Masterpiece Road Rage does that so well. It only takes a very small change in the figure and it immediately appears 'feminine' without it stopping looking like a Transformer.
Amelie wrote:A big 'issue' with G1 Arcee is that she doesn't really follow any of the usual Transformers body forms.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Amelie wrote:Masterpiece Road Rage does that so well. It only takes a very small change in the figure and it immediately appears 'feminine' without it stopping looking like a Transformer.
I agree. Road Rage is a fembot retool of a male bot done right.
Amelie wrote:A big 'issue' with G1 Arcee is that she doesn't really follow any of the usual Transformers body forms.
Are you talking about Legends/Generations Arcee? In which case, I think it's really the fault of the source material. For one, there has never been an actual G1 toy of the character from the 80's, so the designer really had nothing to go on, engineering-wise. So in typical TakaraTomy fashion, he tried to make it as anime/cartoon accurate as he could, within the boundaries of a deluxe toy's budget and parts quota. And as we all know, G1 Arcee in the cartoons is pretty much a metal girl with two halves of a scifi car's hood strapped to either side of her shoulder blades.
All things considered, it turned out quite okay.
fenrir72 wrote:SW128, just want to let you know, the guy who designed Legends Arcee, well, the reason he got into Takara many eons ago was because of his scratch build model of Arcee.He won a contest in one of those conventions in Japan and he was hired because of "her". Same guy who would eventually design MP-10.
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
MrBlack wrote:They're alien robots. I don't see why they have to conform to human ideas of what a female should look like.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:MrBlack wrote:They're alien robots. I don't see why they have to conform to human ideas of what a female should look like.
Fundamentally, that's a very good point, and I totally agree. Except where G1 or any G1-esque medium is concerned.
Now, a typical G1 aesthetic is exceedingly humanoid: humanoid face, anthropomorphic physique, human-like behavior and speech patterns--barring a few rare exceptions. Naturally, gender stereotypes will be humanoid as well. As I said a few posts above, the source material just wasn't designed for exploring alien gender in non-procreating mechanical beings.
That's the baggage being carried by shows or comics that stay close to G1.
With the Bayverse movies, especially ROTF, you see more exploration of physical diversity, even if it isn't gender-specific. Frankly, Bay and the writers couldn't be bothered to explain alien robot gender, but if they did, the movies would be the perfect platform. Because it's by far the furthest removed from G1 influence, barring some essential homages and "must-haves".
TL;DR, you make a good point, but only if Hasbro were to overhaul the TF mythology and did away with humanoid aesthetics that are the foundations of G1 aesthetics. The thing is, that's unlikely to ever happen, given how iconic G1 aesthetics is.
fenrir72 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:MrBlack wrote:They're alien robots. I don't see why they have to conform to human ideas of what a female should look like.
Fundamentally, that's a very good point, and I totally agree. Except where G1 or any G1-esque medium is concerned.
Now, a typical G1 aesthetic is exceedingly humanoid: humanoid face, anthropomorphic physique, human-like behavior and speech patterns--barring a few rare exceptions. Naturally, gender stereotypes will be humanoid as well. As I said a few posts above, the source material just wasn't designed for exploring alien gender in non-procreating mechanical beings.
That's the baggage being carried by shows or comics that stay close to G1.
With the Bayverse movies, especially ROTF, you see more exploration of physical diversity, even if it isn't gender-specific. Frankly, Bay and the writers couldn't be bothered to explain alien robot gender, but if they did, the movies would be the perfect platform. Because it's by far the furthest removed from G1 influence, barring some essential homages and "must-haves".
TL;DR, you make a good point, but only if Hasbro were to overhaul the TF mythology and did away with humanoid aesthetics that are the foundations of G1 aesthetics. The thing is, that's unlikely to ever happen, given how iconic G1 aesthetics is.
The atrocity that is Arcee in Bayverse? Supposedly that's female? Looks more like an insect.
Cobotron wrote:I agree that for Victorian the molds chosen, other than the helicopters, are pretty hard to perceive as female. Firefly, and Drag Strip would have been better choices than either of the sports cars. In the end though, the designers didn't choose, the fans did.
I don't remember, was gender a vote-able choice in the fan polls?
RID Strongarm is a great example of maintaining femininity while being big, bulky and armored. The cartoon model is a little more svelte, but the toy has dumps like a truck. Even the tiny little Legion toy pulls it off very well.
And, Road Rage is a great example of the face being the main determining factor. I think even if they hadn't re-sculpted the thighs and biceps, she still would have read instantly as female.
william-james88 wrote:Knowing that, I do wonder which transformers toys out there really are the best at conveying a gender difference and are the best examples at female Transformers. I narrowed it down to these, are there others I am missing?
Energon Arcee
Animated Arcee
Animated/Legends Blackarachnia
Legends Windblade/Slipstream
Generations Arcee/Nightbird Shadow
PRID Arcee/Gen Chromia
BM Blackarachnia
MP Roadrage
Ebonsaber wrote:
Cybertron Thunderblast/GF Chromia, but technically she's cheating(Shellformer)...
william-james88 wrote:Ebonsaber wrote:
Cybertron Thunderblast/GF Chromia, but technically she's cheating(Shellformer)...
Yeah, thats why I didnt include her. Thats some pretty hardcore cheating
Delta Magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:Ebonsaber wrote:
Cybertron Thunderblast/GF Chromia, but technically she's cheating(Shellformer)...
Yeah, thats why I didnt include her. Thats some pretty hardcore cheating
Honestly I'd like to see Thunderblast get a Generations toy that actually takes advantage of the shellformery nature- so as with before, most of the boat hull forms "wings" (perhaps with a bit more foldy bits to make them look more impressive) whilst the actual robot inside, unhindered by having to contain any dedicated transformation engineering, could be super-articulated (so chest and waist balljoints, double-balljointed neck, balljointed ankles and wrists etc). Of course that would never happen with Hasbro's current trend of simplification and cost-cutting, so...let's hope MMC or MakeToys or someone is reading this thread, maybe?
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
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