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by **Skyward** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:42 am

I´ve been wondering about this and, being a Decepticon fan myself, been bothered about it for some time now; you often hear that the Decepticons don´t make or have friends and that they may even be incapable of even feeling friendship. Do you really think this is the case?

For me personally, I have no trouble at all seeing ´cons as close friends. Someone once said that Autobot friendship is more like Marines friendship, All for one, one for all, that sort of thing, while the Decepticons tend to form very close units or smaller groups of individuals that they wouldn´t abandon in battle.

I´ve been wondering .. if you try to be friendly with everyone, á la Autobots, simply because you have to, because it´s your code of conduct so to speak, rather than choosing a few pals you really like and that resemble you in personality etc á la Decepticon, are you really that friendly with anyone?

by **Mime** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:42 am

The Constructicons seemed like a tight bunch in that episode, 'The Core'. Skywarp and Thundercracker were as thick as thieves and they always looked as if they were best friends. There's got to be some other 'Cons but I can't remember right at this very moment.

by **Skyward** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:00 am

Exactly! You could argue that any combiner team would be closer than normal ´cons due to the act of combining, but those two Seekers were never bonded mentally like that ...

News Credits: 38 · by **Sunstar** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:10 am

I feel that the Decepticons can make very close friends. They just show it differently. I think some, like Starscream, may avoid close friends in case they have to do something they will regret.

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:35 am

Sunstar wrote:I feel that the Decepticons can make very close friends. They just show it differently. I think some, like Starscream, may avoid close friends in case they have to do something they will regret.

Starscream had a friend, his name was Skyfire remember? :lol:

But yeah, the Autobot's friendship reminds me of a Marilyn Manson quote...I am just paraphrasing here because I don't remember it word for word

"If we are taught to love everyone then what value does that place on love"

News Credits: 38 · by **Sunstar** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:30 pm

Skyfire is a case and point as to why Starscream may avoid friendships. He felt betrayed. I feel he and Megatron were good friends once and at some point, they had a falling out.

News Credits: 3 · by **DISCHARGE** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:38 pm

Cyclonus and Demolisher were friends in Energon.

by **Skyward** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:16 pm

Venomous Prime wrote:
Sunstar wrote:I feel that the Decepticons can make very close friends. They just show it differently. I think some, like Starscream, may avoid close friends in case they have to do something they will regret.

Starscream had a friend, his name was Skyfire remember?

But yeah, the Autobot's friendship reminds me of a Marilyn Manson quote...I am just paraphrasing here because I don't remember it word for word

"If we are taught to love everyone then what value does that place on love"

Ah ... yes, that´s more or less exactly my point.

So, can we call it confirmed that Decepticons can and do form close friendships with a select few?

News Credits: 2 · by **Insurgent** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:48 pm

Skywarp and Thundercracker seemed to be good friends. So did Cyclonus and Scourge. And Ramjet and Dirge. Megatron and Shockwave. Notice how Megatron would never get that angry at Shockwave, despite him never actually stopping any Autobot attacks on Cybertron, yet he would go ballistic at most other cons for alot less?

The combiners seem to be closer to each other than other deceps, especially the Stunticons. So I would say yes, the cons are very capable of having frienships. (Megs even seems smitten with Nightbird in that ep, so perhaps if they had female decepticons, they would even express love.)

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:15 pm

Frenzy and Rumble? Come on ... those two were inseperable.

Plus Soundwave was quite protective of his cassette buddies.

I look at 'Con friendships as being more laid back. They feel they can give each other crap and don't have to go "heeey. Love that new finish Tracks, though I think you missed a spot on your groin, let me buff it for you" like certain Autobots do.

And no, i'm not implying Autobots are gay, just far too happy happy joy joy touchy feely.

by **Zombie Starscream** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:35 pm

Burn wrote:Frenzy and Rumble? Come on ... those two were inseperable.

Plus Soundwave was quite protective of his cassette buddies.

I look at 'Con friendships as being more laid back. They feel they can give each other crap and don't have to go "heeey. Love that new finish Tracks, though I think you missed a spot on your groin, let me buff it for you" like certain Autobots do.

And no, i'm not implying Autobots are gay, just far too happy happy joy joy touchy feely.

Yeah, sometimes they did go overboard a bit with the Autobots being all touchy-feely, even to the point where they would laugh inexplicably at the end of a lot of episodes over something stupid, or something the humans did.

by **Pulsar** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:36 pm

If you watch G1 Skywarp and Thundercracker show no signs of actually being friends. They are placed on guard duty together and make small talk in a few episodes but Skywarp interacts more with Starscream.

by **Skyward** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:04 pm

Decepticons in love? Gladitorial combat ... to decide who´s got the right to certain females? :grin:

by **RobotInDisguise** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:32 pm

Skyward wrote:Decepticons in love? Gladitorial combat ... to decide who´s got the right to certain females?

Let's see here... Air Convoy never told her full story and is extremely reserved because at the start of the war, she learned not to get too close to anyone after losing several really good friends.
But as for Decepticons getting close to very few people, that just might explain why I'm a Decepticon.

As far as friendships go, I think there might've been something between Dinobot and Megs before Beast Wars and same goes for Waspy and Terry. Anyhow, no point in getting too close to anyone if you live to conquer and know that anybody might die at any given time.

News Credits: 6 · by **Dr. Caelus** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:51 pm

Well, going by the Comics, I don't think the Autobots are quite so YMCA. They are usually nice to eachother, but ultimately, there are still internal cliques that form - the Dinobots being an extreme example. In the cartoons, I'd say the lambo brothers are much closer than other bots, also Grapple and Hoist, and the 'kids' Arcee, Hot Rod, and Springer. Then in the DW comics you have Iron Hide and Kup, etc.

Among the Decepticons, the Stunticons are about the worst example you can give - the only thing that kept them together was mortal fear of Motormaster.

Good Examples:

Combaticons - Operated just the five of them, independent of the main Decepticons.
5/6 of the Seacons - Had some sort of a bond, even if it was just to exclude Nautilator.
Dreadwind and Darkwing - I think these two have always been blood brothers.
Rumble and Frenzy - Heterosexual Lifemates.

by **Nemesis_Apoc** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:54 pm

The first to 'Cons that came to my mind were Darkwing and Dreadwind. I mean, they're partners, they understand each other, they're both drunks (read the UK comics if you don't believe me.) They nye inseperable.

by **Big_yellow_glasses** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:29 pm

Decepticons make good friendships and alliances

The Seekers were pretty tight

Megatron and Soundwave(more than friends?) :lol:

Insecticons were always buddies too

so I guess that's why I like 'cons better

by **SeekerInAFakeMoustache** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:04 pm

Actually, the Decepticons are just as touchy-feely as the Autobots, if not more so. There are frequent examples of 'Cons slapping each other on the backs, or even in extreme cases, hugging each other. Works the other way, too - they're more likely to haul off and smack the guy next to them when they're upset.

As for friendships, certain Decepticons did run in the same circles, and they weren't always grouped by their toy gimmicks (Rumble and Starscream lingered around each other quite a bit in season 1, as did Megatron, Ravage, and Laserbeak).

News Credits: 2 · by **Basketball Jones** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:53 pm

Starscream sees diplomacy as only a technique to manipulate others into following his ends. He is an utterly sociopathic character who is driven only by his lust for power and rampant narcissism.

Of course, those are the defining characteristics that make the character memorable. The fans would be aghast if he were any other way.

Thundercracker and Skywarp are simply coworkers (their assignment in the Decepticons is identical) and have merely formed a bond as a result of working in close proximity to each other.

Many of the Decepticons, notably the Triple Changers, seem to express reasonable ranges of emotion rather than bloodlust or villainy.

by **Koontah** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:18 am

Galvatron and Cyclonus-a strange combination, but there's something very real there. As for the relationship between Scourge and Cyclonus (G1) Scourge is afraid of his own shadow and I dont' think Cyclonus has much use for him.

by **Emperor Primacron the 1st** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:35 pm

Sure they can be friends. It's a bit more subtle on screen.

Megatron & Soundwave: Megatron always seemed to trust Soundwave, and he always seemed to enjoy Soundwave's company to the other 'cons. Also, Soundwave did warn Megatron when Starscream tried to shoot him in the back in MTMTE. Also, notice how Soundwave's one of the 'cons to show up when Megatron got his ass kicked at Autobot City. And when he leans over to pick up Megatron, the tone of in Soundwave's voice when he says, "As you command, Megatron," sounded like some genuine concern like one does with an injured friend.

Galvatron and Cyclonus: Yes, Galvatron smacked him around, but watch Cylonus durring Webworld, especially when the Aliha tries to consume Galvatron's mind. And in Dweller in the Depths, when the Syphon captured Cyclonus, we see Galvatron taking a hike....and then he stops and turns around to see Cyclonus, who was screaming out for help. It looked like Galvatron wanted to go back and help Cyclonus, though I think Galvatron probably figured it was a hopeless idea, since he already saw what the Syphon can do.

Octane and Sandstorm seemed to be good buddies, and they were on opposing sides.

and BW's Megatron did go out of his way to save Inferno in Aftermath. Inferno and Quickstrike seemed to become buddies near the end of the Beast Wars.

News Credits: 5 · by **Gutsman Heavy** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:44 am

"Hey! Nobody calls Soundwave unkrozzomatic!"

Now that is friendship

by **Big_yellow_glasses** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:22 am

I think Megs was gay

Galvy wasn't though, he just went insane....

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:27 am

I always thought the Decepticons had something more like miniature or private alliances than actual friendships.

Other than the gestalts (minus Menasor) and the Insecticons, I think every Con worked with one another either out of fear (of Megatron or someone else) or for their own benefit.
If they thought they could advance themselves without the help of others, they would. Triple Takeover is possibly one of the better examples.

by **Sondura1** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:51 am

Big_yellow_glasses wrote:I think Megs was gay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUYkDqcz7Ws

as for decepticons being friendly I think their are plenty of them that have friends
soundwave and all the cassettes are the best example especially since soundwave carries them around in his chest most of the time you've gotta be a good friend to do that