gbm wrote:So, which is the better purchase? If you had to choose one to spend some $ on for a vintage purchase.
ps, I already have a G1 Devasator and G1 Bruticus.
fenrir72 wrote:Get both. Beware of KOs though.
fenrir72 wrote:I beg to differ. The reviewers don't tell ALL.
KO of Menasor, well you can tell with the chrome on Motormaster's wheels, there's a break in the application of the hubcaps.
KO on the Protectobot side, the wheel rivets look shoddy and the decals on Streetwise look cheap. The positive on Hotspot is that it uses the "metal" chest + extra paint apps on his headlights. I know 'cause I saw and handled one already.
I hope this helps you in your decision.
I agree.Valandar wrote:I always thought Defensor was the best looking gestalt mode of all the Scramble City combiners, at least in proportions, etc.
Stormrider wrote:Is it possible for Takara to reisusse either as an Encore set? Are all the molds still in good condition?
Breakdown 2099 wrote:Stormrider wrote:
Anyway, buy Menasor. All Defensor does is point and use forcefields.[/color]
Breakdown 2099 wrote:Stormrider wrote:Is it possible for Takara to reisusse either as an Encore set? Are all the molds still in good condition?
With todays technology, they could do anything. If these KO companies can reissue Sunstreaker, Menasor etc, then Takara could too. And don't tell me they can't, it's amazing what you can do with computers these days.
They just choose not to and blame it on "mold degradation". Yeah, sure... Some piss-poor backyard Chinese operation can pump out all 5 of the Dinobots, but you can't?
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Breakdown 2099 wrote:Stormrider wrote:Is it possible for Takara to reisusse either as an Encore set? Are all the molds still in good condition?
With todays technology, they could do anything. If these KO companies can reissue Sunstreaker, Menasor etc, then Takara could too. And don't tell me they can't, it's amazing what you can do with computers these days.
They just choose not to and blame it on "mold degradation". Yeah, sure... Some piss-poor backyard Chinese operation can pump out all 5 of the Dinobots, but you can't?
Nope, not without some fans crying "New molds for reissues? Why not make them so they have more articulation? More show-accurate?" Besides, bootleggers easily ignore R&D, filing patents, copyrights and other legal fees. And TakaraTomy would actually have to locate the lost/stolen molds to base the designs on. Those costs easily add up.
Back to Menasor vs. Defensor, I say Defensor wins out. Then again, I'm biased.
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Breakdown 2099 wrote:Stormrider wrote:
Anyway, buy Menasor. All Defensor does is point and use forcefields.[/color]
And blow up Bruticus with a single shot.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Nope, not without some fans crying "New molds for reissues? Why not make them so they have more articulation? More show-accurate?" Besides, bootleggers easily ignore R&D, filing patents, copyrights and other legal fees. And TakaraTomy would actually have to locate the lost/stolen molds to base the designs on. Those costs easily add up.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Breakdown 2099 wrote:Stormrider wrote:Is it possible for Takara to reisusse either as an Encore set? Are all the molds still in good condition?
With todays technology, they could do anything. If these KO companies can reissue Sunstreaker, Menasor etc, then Takara could too. And don't tell me they can't, it's amazing what you can do with computers these days.
They just choose not to and blame it on "mold degradation". Yeah, sure... Some piss-poor backyard Chinese operation can pump out all 5 of the Dinobots, but you can't?
Nope, not without some fans crying "New molds for reissues? Why not make them so they have more articulation? More show-accurate?" Besides, bootleggers easily ignore R&D, filing patents, copyrights and other legal fees. And TakaraTomy would actually have to locate the lost/stolen molds to base the designs on. Those costs easily add up.
Dagon wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Breakdown 2099 wrote:Stormrider wrote:Is it possible for Takara to reisusse either as an Encore set? Are all the molds still in good condition?
With todays technology, they could do anything. If these KO companies can reissue Sunstreaker, Menasor etc, then Takara could too. And don't tell me they can't, it's amazing what you can do with computers these days.
They just choose not to and blame it on "mold degradation". Yeah, sure... Some piss-poor backyard Chinese operation can pump out all 5 of the Dinobots, but you can't?
Nope, not without some fans crying "New molds for reissues? Why not make them so they have more articulation? More show-accurate?" Besides, bootleggers easily ignore R&D, filing patents, copyrights and other legal fees. And TakaraTomy would actually have to locate the lost/stolen molds to base the designs on. Those costs easily add up.
Yeah, ok, but aren't we aware by now that "fans will complain about everything"? You know, that thing that happens whenever anything TF related is released and the fandom cries itself catatonic?
And, if costs are so prohibitive that TT/Hasbro/whoever wouldn't want to try reissuing these because of costs, then why ever bother putting out any newly designed toys?
Surely, R&D for a brand new, ground-up toy must be costly, so wouldn't it be more cost effective to design a toy once and then just constantly re-release it? Wouldn't it then make more sense to hunt down old molds and reuse them rather than develop new things? Or, is this another one of those instances where we're supposed to feel sorry for a company making a pretty large annual profit by producing things that people happily buy?
Sure bootleggers can bypass R&D and blah&blah, but remind me, how many Classics Seekers figures have been released? TT/Hasbro hardly use a mold once and then throw it away. How many slight variations of Bumblebee were there for each of the three movies, and how many variations of Deluxe BB does the PRime line have? A new paint job doesn't require two years of CAD and grey prototypes to get into the stores. It's the same basic thing with copyrights: TT "couldn't" reissue Omega Supreme becuase the rights belonged to someone else; we'll never get an Encore Omega Supreme becuase of copyrights; and when did we get him? 2008? If TT thought there could be a profit or an incentive, they will pursue it.
Not trying to make this an anti-business rant, but I'm just saying. If TT/Hasbro/anyone wanted to reissue *-cons or *-bots or anything, they could and would. The proof behind the viability of that hypothesis is that KO companies can/have/are doing it. Ok, it's not going to be easy for TT, they may have to find/repair molds, but last time I heard, business isn't something easy that other people just give you....it requires some effort.
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