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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby DISCHARGE » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:58 am

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Burn wrote:Know why you shouldn't put electronics into TF's?

Because the space required for them often takes away from another aspect of what could be a great figure, e.g. pose-ability, or the Transformation is over-simplified.

... eh, what's the point. All those in favor of the thread being locked speak up now.



With all the hollowness of current toys there seems to be plenty of room for electronics :P
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby duragrip » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:03 am

Mr O wrote:It's the Duragrip effect.

I was looking for G1 Omega Supreme comics online and I ran across one called "The Omega Effect". The front cover looked cool showing Omega's visor. But when I read summaries of the storyline I found out that Omega loses in the end, gets made a fool of. Why would they make a comic about G1 Omega Supreme and make him look anything less than bad-ass? Is it worth reading?
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby duragrip » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:57 am

G1 Omega Supreme is truly a marvelous piece of engineering.

I would like Hasbro to add hydraulics to him to compensate for any loss of posability due to his electromechanics.

He shall be called "I(am)Omega Supreme, like iPhone.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby fenrir72 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:31 pm

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duragrip wrote:G1 Omega Supreme is truly a marvelous piece of engineering.

I would like Hasbro to add hydraulics to him to compensate for any loss of posability due to his electromechanics.

He shall be called "I(am)Omega Supreme, like iPhone.


In as much as I also would dig such a development.........will all those added features be commercially viable for Hasbro to produce? We are talking about the spoiled and whiny American market to paraphrase Kanrabat.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby Burn » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:35 pm

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Burn wrote:Know why you shouldn't put electronics into TF's?

Because the space required for them often takes away from another aspect of what could be a great figure, e.g. pose-ability, or the Transformation is over-simplified.

... eh, what's the point. All those in favor of the thread being locked speak up now.


With all the hollowness of current toys there seems to be plenty of room for electronics :P


Cybertron Vector Prime says otherwise.

Great toy hindered in articulation by the electronics and Cyber Key gimmick.

Though that's not really relevant considering it's not G1 and duragrip probably doesn't even know Cybertron Vector Prime exists.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby duragrip » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:02 pm

fenrir72 wrote:
duragrip wrote:G1 Omega Supreme is truly a marvelous piece of engineering.

I would like Hasbro to add hydraulics to him to compensate for any loss of posability due to his electromechanics.

He shall be called "I(am)Omega Supreme, like iPhone.


In as much as I also would dig such a development.........will all those added features be commercially viable for Hasbro to produce? We are talking about the spoiled and whiny American market to paraphrase Kanrabat.

That's why they could make those added features modular, plug-and-play circuit cards. G1 Omega Supreme would just come as a mechanical shell with all the articulation provided by ratchet joints. Everything else would be separate purchasable options. A programmable chip the size of a grain of rice would be put inside of his head and serve as his brain. There would be no need for ports because he would come Bluetooth ready. G1 Omega Supreme is a parts-former so you could easily add slots to plug in different microcircuits that connect to and control his ratchet joints.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby fenrir72 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:11 pm

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duragrip wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
duragrip wrote:G1 Omega Supreme is truly a marvelous piece of engineering.

I would like Hasbro to add hydraulics to him to compensate for any loss of posability due to his electromechanics.

He shall be called "I(am)Omega Supreme, like iPhone.


In as much as I also would dig such a development.........will all those added features be commercially viable for Hasbro to produce? We are talking about the spoiled and whiny American market to paraphrase Kanrabat.

That's why they could make those added features modular, plug-and-play circuit cards. G1 Omega Supreme would just come as a mechanical shell with all the articulation provided by ratchet joints. Everything else would be separate purchasable options. A programmable chip the size of a grain of rice would be put inside of his head and serve as his brain. There would be no need for ports because he would come Bluetooth ready. G1 Omega Supreme is a parts-former so you could easily add slots to plug in different microcircuits that connect to and control his ratchet joints.


Not commercially viable duragrip. If you saw how hollow Generations Jetfire is, adding those components ( you have to consider R and D and their bottom line)then you will be putting it to the price range of Lego's expensive Mechanix line. In this world, its okay to dream but you have to be realistic at times.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

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fenrir72 wrote:
duragrip wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
duragrip wrote:G1 Omega Supreme is truly a marvelous piece of engineering.

I would like Hasbro to add hydraulics to him to compensate for any loss of posability due to his electromechanics.

He shall be called "I(am)Omega Supreme, like iPhone.


In as much as I also would dig such a development.........will all those added features be commercially viable for Hasbro to produce? We are talking about the spoiled and whiny American market to paraphrase Kanrabat.

That's why they could make those added features modular, plug-and-play circuit cards. G1 Omega Supreme would just come as a mechanical shell with all the articulation provided by ratchet joints. Everything else would be separate purchasable options. A programmable chip the size of a grain of rice would be put inside of his head and serve as his brain. There would be no need for ports because he would come Bluetooth ready. G1 Omega Supreme is a parts-former so you could easily add slots to plug in different microcircuits that connect to and control his ratchet joints.


Not commercially viable duragrip. If you saw how hollow Generations Jetfire is, adding those components ( you have to consider R and D and their bottom line)then you will be putting it to the price range of Lego's expensive Mechanix line. In this world, its okay to dream but you have to be realistic at times.


This thing , Chatster:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Chatsters-Gabby-Interactive-Doll/37564771
A creepy looking doll that's nearly a hundred bucks,
loaded with features, technology that could easily be designed into an Omega Supreme figure.

This thing though, is why I think that a new direction will take place with the larger scale figures that will include voice samples and other smart tech. They aren't going to stop adding special features to some toys. And the larger the figure, the more open(inner) space can be utilized for these features.

The magnets molded into some toys to interact with, say, Stomp and Chomp Grimlock are just one example of how features can be activated and add simple play value to one another.
It's interactivity that unfortunately is being poorly used or inter designed for the toys imploring it.
But, we are in an age where toys are brimming to be produced. And every now and then one of greatness pokes through to the masses...Omega Supreme!: G1 reborn.

I don't believe for a second that in today's toy buying market that an awesome new version of Omega with super tech would not make money for Hasbro and Tomy.
How long did MP Grimlock or Soundwave or Metroplex shelfwarm?? I don't think they did. And I don't think that an Omega produced in the vein of g1 would sit around long either. I think that there are more collectors that would jump on an update than would voluntarily pass it up just because it had some crazy new gimmicks.

So, commercially viable, I think it is, mainly because TF buyers are voracious when it comes to certain characters and certain lines.

I' just add that I didn't have Omega when I was a kid, I got to play with my cousins, or the kid down the streets.. but I did have Sky Lynx, and my bro had trypticon, and a myriad of of other motorized mechs, and when you have all those electronic toys running, driving and stomping around. it gives you the ability to focus on other figures at the same time, boosting play.
As mostly adult collector our version of play differs from a childs.
We transform our Bots and Cons and put them on a shelf. There they've been played with..
A kid though,. That thing is gonna be missing wheels or anything else through the course of a battle. That version of play is why we love these lovingly designed chunks of plastic.. G1 Omega missing pieces..fond memories of days gone by.
Give the kids today a reason to continue the tradition.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby duragrip » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:10 pm

fenrir72 wrote:Not commercially viable duragrip. If you saw how hollow Generations Jetfire is, adding those components ( you have to consider R and D and their bottom line)then you will be putting it to the price range of Lego's expensive Mechanix line. In this world, its okay to dream but you have to be realistic at times.

I'll try to streamline my dreams. Maybe just a small programmable Bluetooth chip that works with an app on your iPod or iPhone would be economically viable and a great first step. It doesn't have to come with G1 Omega Supreme, although he would come ready for it. It could be a separate plug-in sold separately for those techies out there. I'm trying to stick to more attainable goals.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:46 pm

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They won't do omega supreme though. Metroplex? Yeah. Optimus Prime? Maybe they already have in the pipeline for movie 5. Bumblebee? See previous answer. Omega Supreme though? They would be throwing money away. Hasbro's number one priority is kids after all, kids who don't care about Omega Supreme, he's not relevant to them in the slightest. Now you may say "they'll do it for the fans then" yeah dream on, generation homages and masterpiece are the extent of that.

However, if you want this then take a leaf out of the book of all the awesome customisers here on the site and do it your self. :) I bet if you looked into you could pull it off.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby duragrip » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:22 pm

My name is Duragrip and I am a G1 Omegaholic.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:40 pm

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Just another typical day for Omega Supreme: :P

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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

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Dead Metal wrote:Burn, does that offer of shutting the thread down still stand?

At least with this thread the obsession is some what contained. If I were to lock it, who knows where he'd spread it next.

If it's an issue for you, stop clicking into it.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby duragrip » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:38 pm

I bought my Takara Tomy G1 Omega Supreme brand new for $270. I was wondering how much I overpaid by?
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

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Dead Metal wrote:Burn, does that offer of shutting the thread down still stand?

At least with this thread the obsession is some what contained. If I were to lock it, who knows where he'd spread it next.

If it's an issue for you, stop clicking into it.


Duragrip is a lot like gonorrhea.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby duragrip » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:03 pm

Blast Cannon wrote:Duragrip is a lot like gonorrhea.

Maybe I'm like Ebola?
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby duragrip » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:15 pm

What's the point of DeCal stickers? They would make my G1 Omega Supreme look less like the G1 cartoon. So why do fans put them on? They don't appear on his character in the cartoon.

Also, does customizing decrease the market value of the figure?
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:39 pm

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duragrip wrote:What's the point of DeCal stickers? They would make my G1 Omega Supreme look less like the G1 cartoon. So why do fans put them on? They don't appear on his character in the cartoon.

Also, does customizing decrease the market value of the figure?


The same way Gundams don't show the options details the way model toys allow the decals to show the details....personal preference and the origin of the original OS, he was supposed to be a futuristic human controlled space exploration vehicle.

That and cost cutting in the show. The same reason Floro Dery "simplified" the original Japanese model sheets back in 1984.

On the value.....don't you buy a toy because you love to play with it or in your case obsessed with it. If you are like Comic Book Guy in the Simpsons or that Collector geek in Power Puff Girls who keeps them MISB then your OCD is way beyond treatment.....or some lame-O investor who waits for the opportunity for the fig to appreciate....iirc, a family got burned investing thousands of dollars on worthless Beanie babies.....then you deserve to get "Burn"ed...pun intended.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:57 pm

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duragrip wrote:What's the point of DeCal stickers? They would make my G1 Omega Supreme look less like the G1 cartoon. So why do fans put them on? They don't appear on his character in the cartoon.

Also, does customizing decrease the market value of the figure?
You do realize that the toy came first, right? It's the cartoon's fault for not including all of Omega Supreme's intended details.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:05 pm

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duragrip wrote:What's the point of DeCal stickers? They would make my G1 Omega Supreme look less like the G1 cartoon. So why do fans put them on? They don't appear on his character in the cartoon.

Also, does customizing decrease the market value of the figure?
You do realize that the toy came first, right? It's the cartoon's fault for not including all of Omega Supreme's intended details.


This.

Hey duragrip if you want to be equal opportunity fault finding, In the G1 cartoon, Optimus and the rest of the cast had a lot of their decals removed too. Toy first (the product) then the show (the advertisement) to sell THE product.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby duragrip » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:23 am

For me it's all about the cartoon so decal stickers are staying off. Without a cartoon, the toy for me is just a lifeless piece of plastic. Or maybe I just got no imagination.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:25 am

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duragrip wrote:For me it's all about the cartoon so decal stickers are staying off. Without a cartoon, the toy for me is just a lifeless piece of plastic. Or maybe I just got no imagination.
That, or you missed the bios written on the box.

You do know there was a time when there was no cartoon or comic and the toy bios were the only pieces of fiction for these things, right?

Sure, it was a brief time, but it did happen.
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:03 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
duragrip wrote:For me it's all about the cartoon so decal stickers are staying off. Without a cartoon, the toy for me is just a lifeless piece of plastic. Or maybe I just got no imagination.
That, or you missed the bios written on the box.

You do know there was a time when there was no cartoon or comic and the toy bios were the only pieces of fiction for these things, right?

Sure, it was a brief time, but it did happen.

If im not mistaken, didn't the comics appear after the toys launched (don't know exact dates like if it was a week apart etc) and then the cartoon show?

Also when did tv adverts start appearing?
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Re: G1 Omega Supreme

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:12 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:If im not mistaken, didn't the comics appear after the toys launched (don't know exact dates like if it was a week apart etc) and then the cartoon show?

Also when did tv adverts start appearing?
I'm no expert on the exact launch date of the toyline, but since the first comic issue came out on May 8, 1984, I'd imagine that the toyline and TV ads for the comic came out within that little window of Spring 1984. The cartoon, however, wouldn't debut until September 17, 1984.

If anyone who was around back then remembers closer to when the toys came out, feel free to chime in.
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