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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:41 pm

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retrothomas wrote:Regarding quality control: I was fortunate to receive Transformers: Prime figures for Christmas. I have Arcee, Starscream, Bumblebee, and the entertainment pack with Optimus/Megatron.

Bumblebee's heel was out of alignment and he couldn't stand right. I was able to disassemble the foot and fix it, but he has a loose shoulder that flops around and I can't fix that. Two issues in one figure.


My Bumblebee has a loose and floppy shoulder. The right one, actually. The metal stud or rivet or whatever they call those flatheaded pins is loose and makes the arm flop. Can't get it to move without damaging the figure. If I had a soldering iron, I could warm it up enough to push it in without damage, but I currently have no access to one, at the moment.

retrothomas wrote:One of Starscream's rubbery knee spikes was folded over when packaged and is pointing to the side at 45 degrees. Doesn't hinder transformation or posing but it looks pretty obviously wrong when you see him, and it's not something I think I can fix since I can't bend it back into place without it just snapping right back.


Put the rubbery piece, or the entire leg, in just barely boiling water. Not enough to warp the plastic, but make it pliable. Give it a good 30 seconds. Scoop it out, straighten it immediately and then shove it in the freezer for about 5 minutes. It'll come out rock solid and straight. If it ever gets floppy again, just repeat the process.

retrothomas wrote:I started collecting with Generations and had a few quality issues before, but it stinks that I can't easily return any of the new figures to get a fixed replacement because of their rarity right now. I've seen others complain about Hasbro QC before but this was the first time it hit me, and gave me a wow factor after having obvious issues with two figures in a row. I wondered if things had gone downhill somehow.


That's why it bothers me to be an early adopter. I still went ahead and bought the figures, but yeah, it worries and bothers me that if I get a piece of junk, I'm stuck with it. Can't depend on Hasbro to replace it, they'll send you something comparable. (Yay?)

I did notice a trend in QC this year. First in DOTM, now in F.E.P...

Horrible paint quality. The apps are handled well, as in they don't bleed and they're not crooked, but the paint is thin and chips easily. My DOTM Sentinel Prime's legs are awful. The paint looks so horrible. I will give it a touch up here when I get the chance, but it's pretty awful after spending that kinda dough.

Voyager Prime Optimus Prime is one of the worst offenders. Mine has paint chips on the smokestack panels, the waist, the feet and the roof. Problem is, instead of molding the plastic red, they molded it in blue and black and just painted it. I don't see how that saves them costs, because you can tell there's more than one coat of paint on these sections.

I'm not sure who's idea it was, but they need a refresher course in getting it right.

The plastic feels thinner, the paint's worse, the construction is shoddy. If this is an indication of what's to come, we're going to see a return to GPS. Or something else that's equally horrible. Hasbro wants $12.99 per Deluxe...well, where is that money going? Obviously not into the materials, or to the workers, so what's their excuse now?

I'm normally not a Hasbro basher, I hate that brand hate crap, but these concerns are legitimate and after spending good money, I'm a little P.O.ed.
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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby Rated X » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:40 am

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Rated X wrote:Towards the end of this short video you can see the average working conditions in a Chinese toy factory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX1iplQQJTo

I seriously doubt Hasbro's factory is any different...


Gad dammit! I thought it was a real video of a Chinese factory. Stupid Simpsons lol



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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby Court Jester » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:29 am

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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby retrothomas » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:41 am

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Autobot032 wrote:Put the rubbery piece, or the entire leg, in just barely boiling water. Not enough to warp the plastic, but make it pliable. Give it a good 30 seconds. Scoop it out, straighten it immediately and then shove it in the freezer for about 5 minutes. It'll come out rock solid and straight. If it ever gets floppy again, just repeat the process.


Thank you! I'll try that.
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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:10 am

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I'll be blunt as always with you guys: if any of you are thinking about giving up the hobby or boycotting it altogether, you may as well throw out every single thing that was fabricated in China. Every, single, thing. And trust me that'll be quite a lot to throw out.

In a sense it's our own damn fault for being such big consumers. Large demand will make companies look for cheaper places to produce, and those places will cut corners wherever possible, no matter the consequence. And it will always be this way no matter where the companies will settle next.
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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby gavinfuzzy » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:16 am

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Nekoman wrote:Group of dudes A says Hasbro's working conditions are inhumane!

Group of dudes B says Hasbro's working conditions are perfectly fine, the allegations are false.

I'm not going to say who's telling the truth here, but I believe you can chose where you work in China. Even then, if they're willing to work in poor conditions, and are, they probably need that money they earn.



Hmm... so hasbro checked an thinks the claims are false? Well i personally think Group A seems more legit.Given that they actually gave us the 1st image of TF:Prime RID bumblebee, along with lots of pics of inside the factory. I doubt someone would go that far just to make up a bunch of lies to screw with hasbro. After all, Group A came out with a nice report with pictures as proof. A picture paints a thousand words. All Hasbro did to deny these claims were to simply state it in words. Where is the evidence that all your workers are fine? ;)

On a side not, i'm probably never going to even touch my Prime Bumblebee again. :-(
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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby datguy86 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:53 am

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After an unannounced, nine hour inspection, both Hasbro and the I.C.T.I. determined the facility met "Hasbro's rigorous requirements."


Haven't had the chance to read through all reports, but this line is suspect. It's not that the conditions are fine, it's that the facility meets "rigorous requirements", i.e. no one's died and x amount of toys are produced.
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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby Nekoman » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:39 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'll be blunt as always with you guys: if any of you are thinking about giving up the hobby or boycotting it altogether, you may as well throw out every single thing that was fabricated in China. Every, single, thing. And trust me that'll be quite a lot to throw out.

In a sense it's our own damn fault for being such big consumers. Large demand will make companies look for cheaper places to produce, and those places will cut corners wherever possible, no matter the consequence. And it will always be this way no matter where the companies will settle next.


This is an intelligent thought more should ponder.

What surprises me is how many people are acting like this is something new. Everyone makes shit in China, not just Hasbro. Also, China in general isn't known for their good human rights. This has been apparent for... forever.

You could stop buying from Hasbro, but Mattel's no different. Jazwares or whatever their name is either, or Bandai, or any other toy company.

Life sucks. In some places more so than others. You really can't blame Hasbro for shit like this cause you know it happens no matter who you buy from.

Ultimately it's up to the Chinese to fix their own problems.
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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby Deszaras1979 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:42 pm

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This is the typical corporate BS response, the main reason why companies move their operations over seas to China is because China does not give a crap about human rights, and honestly, neither do most big corporations, all they care about is making money and sadly all most Americans care about any more are material goods(the ones who can afford it) those who can't are just trying to survive to the next day. This has a lot to do with the shape the country is in. I was appalled that the headline for the news story on this site containing the report was about a packaging variant and not the damning report. tfw didn't even post the news of the variant as far as I know(good for them). Toy quality has been going down hill for a while now, I will not go into details, but just compare rts Rodimus to the original classics version. There is more than just mold degradation that is the issue there, look at all the times they used the Combaticon molds. I really can't say I feel the same zeal for tfs that I did b4 I read that report, I knew it was bad in China but DAMN! We as a country are all aiding in the exploitation of these people and it sux. Bush lifted tarrifs on imported goods from China and there has been a "giant sucking sound"(Ross Perot) ever since. We as Americans are suffering because we have lost our manufacturing base (middle class included) and the chinese people are suffering for obvious reasons. Doesn't matter tho, at this rate China will own the damn world.

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Re: Hasbro addresses allegations of poor working conditions

Postby Deszaras1979 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:59 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'll be blunt as always with you guys: if any of you are thinking about giving up the hobby or boycotting it altogether, you may as well throw out every single thing that was fabricated in China. Every, single, thing. And trust me that'll be quite a lot to throw out.

In a sense it's our own damn fault for being such big consumers. Large demand will make companies look for cheaper places to produce, and those places will cut corners wherever possible, no matter the consequence. And it will always be this way no matter where the companies will settle next.


This is an intelligent thought more should ponder.

What surprises me is how many people are acting like this is something new. Everyone makes shit in China, not just Hasbro. Also, China in general isn't known for their good human rights. This has been apparent for... forever.

You could stop buying from Hasbro, but Mattel's no different. Jazwares or whatever their name is either, or Bandai, or any other toy company.

Life sucks. In some places more so than others. You really can't blame Hasbro for shit like this cause you know it happens no matter who you buy from.

Ultimately it's up to the Chinese to fix their own problems.


Actually, TFs are Hasbro's intellectual property, it is their responsibilty not the Chinese govt. I don't know how the manufacturing industry works in China, but if working conditions are poor hasbro doesn't have to produce toys in China or that particular factory(though I doubt conditions are better anywhere else), again, all they are concerned with is profit. This is all old news but sometimes it takes something like this report to remind everyone of how things are over there(after all out of sight, out of mind). I'm with the guy who said earlier that hasbro should stop pocketing their profit and actually put it into improving their product and working conditions for their workers. I try not to buy made in china, but sometimes I have no choice(damned electronics), I will not buy anything distilled or produced in china that is food related(apple juice from china has high levels of arsenic and strychnine).
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