Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
DesalationReborn wrote:And now we have Iran between 2 US-occupied countries. I seriously don't get what this Iranian "President" is thinking by kidnapping Marines.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Tammuz wrote:and what's wrong with a dictatorship, if the dictator is a benevolent one?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:The problem is, what would've happened if we let Saddam continue? Kim Jong Il developed Nuclear stuff. What's would've stopped Saddam?
Shadowman wrote:Then there's the fact that we forced them into Democracy. It seems wrong, right? Actually, it's a good idea. If we didn't let them choose someone not crazy, then someone just like Saddam (Possibly worse, possibly better, I can't really say) would've come into power. Then they would've developed nuclear weapons.
Shadowman wrote:And then there's the "no exit strategy" problem. This isn't just about not thinking ahead. We know that if we pull out now, Iraq would be thrust into a violent civil war. If this happens, there's a good chance they'd go back to a Dictatorship. That's how 9 out of 10 Dictatorships start!
Shadowman wrote:That's about all I have. I still don't like Bush that much, but now he just seems like a president who was put into a less-than-favorable situation by some less-than-decent men.
Tammuz wrote:and what's wrong with a dictatorship, if the dictator is a benevolent one?
Dark Zarak wrote:Tammuz wrote:and what's wrong with a dictatorship, if the dictator is a benevolent one?
That's like saying "and what's wrong with being poor, if everything is free?"
It doesn't work that way. Dictators aren't benevolent. They are a one-man ruling body. They are human. They are stressed, and they are prejudiced, jaded, and angry by the circumstances preceding their rule.
You are free and safe as long as he likes you. Crimes do not have to be commited for you to be captured in the night and thrown feet-first into a meat grinder or acid pool. If your father or brother or boss was against the big man, you're screwed.
And it just occured to me, that maybe you were joking. Let's hope so.
Dark Zarak wrote:Did Doctor Doom have your wife or daughter raped in front of you to get a confession?
Did Doctor Doom punish entire town, sending women and children off to camps and capturing and torturing men as young as 13, because of a failed assassination by just a few men?
Did Doctor Doom have two sons that were frequent rapists and tortured the Latveria Olympic athletes when they came home without the gold? Kicking concrete balls, dragging across gravel and thrown into sewage?
Did Doctor Doom offer his own daughters pardon, but without protection, resulting in their husbands dying in a silly clan fued?
Let's not use comic-book simplifications to argue real world problems.
Saddam was a horrible man. His execution was a farce, but it was still justice. They convicted him on the grounds of the Dujail massacre in 1982.
And Uday? Oh God, I never thought a man so demonic could exist outside of a story. I am literally glad he's dead, and remember laughing at crass jokes Leno made while showing the picture of his bloody body under the sheet. The really scares me that I could feel that, but read up on the guy.
No, dictators are not cool. Give me one example of a dictator that everyone loved. A real dictator.
Kjell wrote:A dictatorship could indeed be very benevolent. Communism could work, too. Neither have very good track records. These are, in fact, so bad that one can pretty much assume that any new dictatorship or communist nation is a rather poopy place to live in. If enough time passes you will one day be proven wrong, naturally, but it's safe enough to make the assumption that the country in question isn't a place you'd want to move to.
Kjell wrote:One is corporeal and currently dead. The other is anything from all-pervasive to nonexisting.
But yes, a monotheistic religion can be seen as a dictatorship of the mind. There are no phantasms that will come and break your fingers if you do not adhere as strictly as the faith demands, however.
Neko wrote:What bugs me most about Iraq is people justifying going there because of Sadam's Regime and his killing and opressing people. What about the other 50+ dictators in the world killing people off for trivial reasons? It's because they had conviently placed oil fields.
It's all BS to me.
Kjell wrote:But that's my point. It is possible for dictatorships and communism to actually work. On paper. Y'know, if everyone involved is in on it all and want it to be like that.
In reality, well... As I said, the track records of either are less than stellar.
Dark Zarak wrote:Did Doctor Doom have your wife or daughter raped in front of you to get a confession?
Did Doctor Doom punish entire town, sending women and children off to camps and capturing and torturing men as young as 13, because of a failed assassination by just a few men?
Did Doctor Doom have two sons that were frequent rapists and tortured the Latveria Olympic athletes when they came home without the gold? Kicking concrete balls, dragging across gravel and thrown into sewage?
Did Doctor Doom offer his own daughters pardon, but without protection, resulting in their husbands dying in a silly clan fued?
DJDrew&ScoobyDoo wrote:Socialism can only work on paper. The curse and blessing of being human is the fact that "I am I". Socialism works for the betterment of the whole, but as soon as someone says, "I want this" They start breaking the system.
A true strong government must make laws and apply them evenly to everyone, currently, we do not have that. Currently no one has that.
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