Editor wrote:Hey, I'd much rather make a mistake here on the fourms, than on the spreadsheet I should be working on.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Lastjustice wrote:
You might be cool with shock value deaths,(I want to see rampant death I'd watched a horror movie. Not a kids show based movie.) Im not. Alot of people werent in this instant. Im ok with well done deaths, as the characters death should be as big as they were in life. None of the characters were remotely honored, as they were treated like speedbumps to a new season.
Lastjustice wrote:Funny I was pretty ticked with in a short time of seeing it. You very notion all bets are off is contradicted by the fact no one else died the whole freaking movie besides old characters in the begining. What you got excited about was basically a lie cause rest of the movie wasnt even remotely close to that intensity.
Lastjustice wrote:I always hated all new characters alt modes. Like what the hell was Kup supposed to be.(and what kind of name is Kup? That along with rodimus prime are two of the dumbest names in the new batch of characters.) They litterally were a bunch of 80s stereotypes with their bright neon colors, psuendo concepts of what the future would be.(which you could likely suggest the cars the new characters were actually intended to represent what humans were supposed be driving at that time) Complete with spike and daniel sporting the jetsons outfits and jet board.
I understand why there likely be transformers who never went to earth and wouldnt have earth based alt modes, but at the same time what they gave them were so lame. Ultra magnus and Hot rod were only things looked like was based off something in real life. Rest were just too odd and different for their own good.
Lastjustice wrote:So given all that, him blasting screamer dead in the movie didnt make much sense. Him coming back and taking over did. Him blowing up screamer, and having his shots proving less than effective against Hot rod is another glaringly instant of plot armor and weakness. I mean why would he hold back against hot rod? (which he takes a couple shots holding the matrix up alone.which later in the series hes shown be less powerful than prime is.)
Lastjustice wrote:You wanted the villains to be menacing or not? you seem be the inconsistent one here. Galvatron drove the decepticons into the ground.
Lastjustice wrote:See my massive probelm with that is the planet he atatcked knew exactly what he was when he attacked. To fact he even told the autobots what he was when they were on the quints homeworld. If the whole deal was no world ever had any survivors to tell anyone else there was such a being, but he clearly had some logical process to what he did as he wasnt some rabid monster, so someone had to told them about unicron prior.
For them to done nothing and died is maddening. Id hope if there was ever some horrible planet killing being in the universe, other races had enough self preservation to try contact us or other worlds to try and kill it. That goes against the notion all life in the universe seems have engrained in it. Survive at any cost.
Lastjustice wrote:Which you couldnt be further from the truth considering it killed the series off, yeah. (one of the heavy contributing factors anyways.) I dont question you re a fan, as I see you enjoy it, just I dont think you enjoy quite for reason I do.
Lastjustice wrote:We didnt sign up for that.
Lastjustice wrote: This right here sums up alot of fans reactions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1_6D9QS9Y (is swearing, dont watch at work.)
Lastjustice wrote:Long as you re enjoying it, I bring up stuff to provoke thoughts rather than provoke people heh.
ramscreamer wrote:The only episode after the movie that had optimus prime in a leading role was 'The return of optimus prime'.
In 'The rebirth' prime seemed to be a background chracter whilst the headmasters (who seem to have just magically appeared) took center stage.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Powermaster Prime wrote:86 movie beats the hell up of Bayformers,that's for sure.but i wonder if kids today would take their own stand on Bayformers as we would do for the 86 movie? hmm..
Powermaster Prime wrote:86 movie beats the hell up of Bayformers,that's for sure.but i wonder if kids today would take their own stand on Bayformers as we would do for the 86 movie? hmm..
Lastjustice wrote:Powermaster Prime wrote:86 movie beats the hell up of Bayformers,that's for sure.but i wonder if kids today would take their own stand on Bayformers as we would do for the 86 movie? hmm..
My niece and nephew thought was ok, but they were even bashing it a bit while watching(they absolutely hated the music.) or asking me tons of questions as it didn't make any sense to them either. They loved the new films waaay more than the 86 film. Most people who didn't see the show and weren't fans didn't care for the 86 film.
It horribly bombed for a reason. This movie was too niche in terms who would like it. Most adults who were dragged to it had little interest and were bored, and kids cried their optics out since it was too dark for them. As much as the people on these forums complain about the new films. I've yet meet anyone who said they hated the new movies in real life.
vectorA3 wrote:Maybe the movie was written/finished before those teams were introduced.
craggy wrote:I'll also say, that Ultra Magnus was right! He couldn't deal with Hot Rod and Kup's ship crashing, at the time it happened, because he was focussing on keeping alive the bots and human he had on board his own ship. Why all the hate?
Capt.Failure wrote:Lastjustice wrote:Powermaster Prime wrote:86 movie beats the hell up of Bayformers,that's for sure.but i wonder if kids today would take their own stand on Bayformers as we would do for the 86 movie? hmm..
My niece and nephew thought was ok, but they were even bashing it a bit while watching(they absolutely hated the music.) or asking me tons of questions as it didn't make any sense to them either. They loved the new films waaay more than the 86 film. Most people who didn't see the show and weren't fans didn't care for the 86 film.
It horribly bombed for a reason. This movie was too niche in terms who would like it. Most adults who were dragged to it had little interest and were bored, and kids cried their optics out since it was too dark for them. As much as the people on these forums complain about the new films. I've yet meet anyone who said they hated the new movies in real life.
Pretty much this. As much as most hate to hear it in twenty years it will be the fans introduced to the series through Transformers (2007) and Revenge of the Fallen who will be defending those movies from the new fans and the latest itteration of the series that got them into it. Personally I'm a fan of G1, the '86 movie and both of the live action movies. I see no point in any fandom civil wars over which is the best (Bayverse vs. G1) because it's all the same franchise, just different visions of it.
Hopefully in two decades time fans can apply similar logic. Only time will tell.
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