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chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.

MP-60 and the Ginrai portion of MPG-09 are literally the same figure with different decos. It would make no sense to modify MP-60 just to spite fans like that.

Emerje

We're still a few days away from the official reveal of MP-60 Ginrai and MPG-09 Super Ginrai on April 10, but a new batch of solicitation images have surfaced. Coming via HK retailer HobbyLand (via TFW2005) the new images are not just clearer but also include more looks at the figures and the accessories they both come with. Of note is replacement red eye lenses for Super Ginrai to give him toy accurate eyes, as well as some additional effect parts. Pre-orders will likely open the same day as the full reveal and both will be released in December. Apparently, thanks to some counting system, MP-60 is actually the 100th MP release and the instruction will include a book to commemorate the milestone (that's the blue box in the bottom corner of the last image).

Do the new pictures change your feelings for these figures? Do you plan on buying one, both or neither? Let us know in the Seibertron Energon Pub Forums!

AH, that tiny square where they show what the thing included.
Naruhodo.

MPG-09 it will be.

Emerje wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.

MP-60 and the Ginrai portion of MPG-09 are literally the same figure with different decos. It would make no sense to modify MP-60 just to spite fans like that.

Emerje

Maybe it's an error of translation but in the Takara release they talk about the cabs being different and mention different articulation points.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.

MP-60 and the Ginrai portion of MPG-09 are literally the same figure with different decos. It would make no sense to modify MP-60 just to spite fans like that.

Emerje

Maybe it's an error of translation but in the Takara release they talk about the cabs being different and mention different articulation points.

Just comparing the two images the only thing I'm seeing different is the deco. The text on the image says (through Google Translate) "Specifications of Ginrai or different from MP-60 Ginrai" immediately after talking about applying stickers to the trailer to give it the toy look. I'm positive it's just saying the two figures have different decos.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.

MP-60 and the Ginrai portion of MPG-09 are literally the same figure with different decos. It would make no sense to modify MP-60 just to spite fans like that.

Emerje

Maybe it's an error of translation but in the Takara release they talk about the cabs being different and mention different articulation points.

Just comparing the two images the only thing I'm seeing different is the deco. The text on the image says (through Google Translate) "Specifications of Ginrai or different from MP-60 Ginrai" immediately after talking about applying stickers to the trailer to give it the toy look. I'm positive it's just saying the two figures have different decos.

Emerje

You can see some of the deco differences. The mp-60 version has yellow under the knees, all silver legs and a fully white crotch piece. The mpg has no yellow on the knees, but does on the crotch, with blue upper thighs

-Kanrabat- wrote:Those store listings does not clarify anything.

It does, in as much as it states what each MP release is.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.

So what is the point of both? MP-60 on it's own is worthless with the trailer. If MPG-09 comes with the cab, then there is no reason to buy MP-60 at all.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Those store listings does not clarify anything.

It does, in as much as it states what each MP release is.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope. As I understand the the release from Takara MPG-09 is the complete Cab and Trailer. I kinda get the feeling that MP-60 can't combine with the trailer, but comes with stickers to make the trailer toy accurate.

So what is the point of both? MP-60 on it's own is worthless with the trailer. If MPG-09 comes with the cab, then there is no reason to buy MP-60 at all.

You missed my next post when I said that the small window in a black frame that show everything include does clarify everything.

And indeed, for me, MP-60 is pointless, but lone cabs do sell well.
I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.

-Kanrabat- wrote:You missed my next post when I said that the small window in a black frame that show everything include does clarify everything.

And indeed, for me, MP-60 is pointless, but lone cabs do sell well.
I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.

I completely missed the next page in my reply

I just don't understand the logic of this release at all? If the cab and trailer are the two separate releases. While a really shady business practice (unsurprising from HasTak) it makes more sense than releasing an otherwise deluxe class Prime cab, twice.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:You missed my next post when I said that the small window in a black frame that show everything include does clarify everything.

And indeed, for me, MP-60 is pointless, but lone cabs do sell well.
I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.

I completely missed the next page in my reply

I just don't understand the logic of this release at all? If the cab and trailer are the two separate releases. While a really shady business practice (unsurprising from HasTak) it makes more sense than releasing an otherwise deluxe class Prime cab, twice.

The one with the trailer does come with everything, including the cab. The only difference is the lone one have the toy deco. It seems this one will come with stickers to turn the trailer that is in toon deco into toy deco.

So that mean that the toy deco enthusiasts would have to double-dip and be stuck with an extra cab in the end.

These two are really just victims of Takara trying to further justify categorizing the MP line. Since MP-60 is also being called the 100th MP it had to be something special, it couldn't just be anybody so Ginrai makes perfect sense. However they also seem to be being sticklers for figures that combine with other figures/parts going in the MPG line and will likely shape the line in the future (like MPG Armada Prime who placed second in the poll between Star Saber and Super Ginrai). So they really painted themselves into a corner and couldn't put Super Ginrai in the regular MP line without breaking their own rules so we just got Ginrai without the trailer to represent Masterforce in the line. On the bright side it also means we could see MPG God Bomber in the future and if they do make MPG Armada Prime we might also see MPG Armada Jetfire and Overload as well.

Emerje

You mention Armada Prime, which is an interesting footnote to this release. Powermaster Prime/Ginrai is the Last G1 Optimus for the Masterpiece line (other than MP Orion Pax, which I highly doubt would be a thing). The next up would be Armada Prime (given Car Robots Prime is now a HasLab release).

Armada->Energon->Cybertron->Animated

-Kanrabat- wrote:I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.

Because the cab on its own doesn't combine with anything. It wouldn't make sense to put a non-combining figure in the MPG line when the G in MPG specifically denotes combination: "Gattai".

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:You mention Armada Prime, which is an interesting footnote to this release. Powermaster Prime/Ginrai is the Last G1 Optimus for the Masterpiece line (other than MP Orion Pax, which I highly doubt would be a thing). The next up would be Armada Prime (given Car Robots Prime is now a HasLab release).

There's still Star Convoy they could do.

I sometimes forget Star Convoy exists, much like Super Megatron.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I wonder why the numbering is not reversed? The full package with the trailer would make more sense as MP-60 and the lone cab as MPG-09 instead of the other way around.

Because the cab on its own doesn't combine with anything. It wouldn't make sense to put a non-combining figure in the MPG line when the G in MPG specifically denotes combination: "Gattai".

Goddamn.
That's stupid and awesome at the same time.

So that mean if they ever do combiners, they will be in the MPG line.
They already did.

Since Powermaster Optimus Prime was THE OP of my childhood, I'm basically obligated to get this, but did they have to make the arms look so stupid in vehicle mode? I can't believe they couldn't engineer some clever mechanism to shorten those down for transformation. Anyways, it's official and cool enough, I'm in.

kirbenvost wrote:Since Powermaster Optimus Prime was THE OP of my childhood, I'm basically obligated to get this, but did they have to make the arms look so stupid in vehicle mode? I can't believe they couldn't engineer some clever mechanism to shorten those down for transformation. Anyways, it's official and cool enough, I'm in.

I'm not ruling out some mistransformation.

kirbenvost wrote:Since Powermaster Optimus Prime was THE OP of my childhood, I'm basically obligated to get this, but did they have to make the arms look so stupid in vehicle mode? I can't believe they couldn't engineer some clever mechanism to shorten those down for transformation. Anyways, it's official and cool enough, I'm in.

I broke my G1 Prime early on so until PM Prime was released my Autobots were leader less.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:You mention Armada Prime, which is an interesting footnote to this release. Powermaster Prime/Ginrai is the Last G1 Optimus for the Masterpiece line (other than MP Orion Pax, which I highly doubt would be a thing). The next up would be Armada Prime (given Car Robots Prime is now a HasLab release).

Armada->Energon->Cybertron->Animated

I can't help but think now that the entire reason why they decided to make HasLab RID Prime so much bigger was simply because they knew this was coming and wanted to make a figure that could stand up to an MP release. Even the price ended up roughly the same once the discounts are made.

Sabrblade wrote:There's still Star Convoy they could do.

Question: Would he be an MP or an MPG? he doesn't really combine so much as he forms a space train so I think they could get away with doing him and the other two as MPs.

Also have to wonder if they should re-release Star Saber as an MPG and finally make a Victory Leo.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:There's still Star Convoy they could do.

Question: Would he be an MP or an MPG? he doesn't really combine so much as he forms a space train so I think they could get away with doing him and the other two as MPs.

On his own he's a solid piece non-combiner. His cab and trailer are one guy, with the cab forming the arms and the rest of the body is formed by the trailer.

Emerje wrote:On the bright side it also means we could see MPG God Bomber in the future and if they do make MPG Armada Prime we might also see MPG Armada Jetfire and Overload as well.

Emerje

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:You mention Armada Prime, which is an interesting footnote to this release. Powermaster Prime/Ginrai is the Last G1 Optimus for the Masterpiece line (other than MP Orion Pax, which I highly doubt would be a thing). The next up would be Armada Prime (given Car Robots Prime is now a HasLab release).

Armada->Energon->Cybertron->Animated

AS you guys have said, I believe this an good step towards an Armada( and other series) Masterpieces, since this require combining parts in a way that the line didn't do before.

Day 1558 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:There's still Star Convoy they could do.

Question: Would he be an MP or an MPG? he doesn't really combine so much as he forms a space train so I think they could get away with doing him and the other two as MPs.

On his own he's a solid piece non-combiner. His cab and trailer are one guy, with the cab forming the arms and the rest of the body is formed by the trailer.

Right, I've got the reissue, but he also does this:


And this:


And I don't know if that's enough to qualify for MPG or not, we don't have any previous MPs that do anything like that.


Emerje

Emerje wrote:And I don't know if that's enough to qualify for MPG or not, we don't have any previous MPs that do anything like that.

Star Saber?

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:And I don't know if that's enough to qualify for MPG or not, we don't have any previous MPs that do anything like that.

Star Saber?

"Should," but did not because no Leo.

Wait.

It IS a "cab" that pull a "trailer."
And the small bot can bombine with the "trailer" to become a bigger bot.
And if on top of that I count the "headmaster"...

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:And I don't know if that's enough to qualify for MPG or not, we don't have any previous MPs that do anything like that.

Star Saber?

Emerje wrote:Also have to wonder if they should re-release Star Saber as an MPG and finally make a Victory Leo.

Emerje