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Shadowman wrote:

Transtopias Rodimus Prime wrote:Shadowman remain a God. You know your opinion is law.

I like how you insult me, while at the same time implying that I'm trying to push my opinion on other people, when anyone with better thought processes than a peanut can see that I'm not.

Also, your pointless joke would be much better if I hadn't heard it oh so many times before.

I gotta agree with Shadowman here, we have a difference of oppinion, but we kept it civil. If you like what is coming down the way, thats your right. As for me, I feel otherwise, and we've been civil in all this.

There's realy no reason to start making digs on anybody. Has the movie attitude fiasco taught us nothing!?!

Transtopias Rodimus Prime wrote:Lord Megatron die by the hands of God Megatron.

Leige Evilmus you are so right.
Shadowman remain a God. You know your opinion is law.

Also, Great custom, and I'm glad you understand what I'm saying. As Transformers evolve, I hope to see more of THAT, then this. It just feels like design wise we're moving to a rehash of Transformers Go-Bots mixed with Armada.

In the long run, 2 pretty unpopular lines.

Was it just me & wishful thinking, or when the 'action' started up, did Prime's faceplate swing up into place (ala Movie Prime's battle mode?)

Methusalen wrote:Was it just me & wishful thinking, or when the 'action' started up, did Prime's faceplate swing up into place (ala Movie Prime's battle mode?)

Yes, that was his faceplate.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Megatron_Wolf wrote:Quick Question. I dont know if this has been brought up yet but i just found out that David Kaye (Megatron for the past 10 years) is doing Primes voice. So if he's Prime then who will be Megatron? And why would they change his role?

Because he was sick of being typecast as Megatron?

And Corey Burton is doing Megatron.

Or in layman's terms......the guy that voiced Spike & Shockwave in G1.

Ah. I fear for Prime but Megs should shound ok. Are there any other G1 VAs in the show? And were can i find a cast list for it?

Liege Evilmus wrote:
I hate to repeat myself but the first clip was done over three years ago. The bots have welds, rivits, and scrapes that make them seem LIKE ROBOTS, and not some cartoonie crap.

Video game. Not sure why you are comparing video games to cartoons that get produced quite quickly compared to a video game.

Liege Evilmus wrote:I hope you see the point I'm trying to make, we can have better, so why not demand it!?!

In your opinion, we could have better. In my opinion, this is fine and something different then the crap (again, my personal taste and opinion) we've been thrown since after Beast Machines was out.

And, well, there are more kids out there that don't have parents or older brothers/sisters/uncles/aunts who are into transformers and can *sway* their opinion on the new cartoon, so that really does not matter. What does matter, is the mass population of kids that is is targeting (6-11), who don't have anyone older then them that like Transformers.

Plus I don't think we need to bring up that this style of animation it seen all over the place and seems to be the *cool stuff* that kids watch today, so again, our tastes and opinions don't really matter.

I hate that blurred/speedy crap they do when they are trying to show fast moving action or something, I hate that crap, BUT, I will still watch it, if they have some slower moments!

Megatron_Wolf wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Megatron_Wolf wrote:Quick Question. I dont know if this has been brought up yet but i just found out that David Kaye (Megatron for the past 10 years) is doing Primes voice. So if he's Prime then who will be Megatron? And why would they change his role?

Because he was sick of being typecast as Megatron?

And Corey Burton is doing Megatron.

Or in layman's terms......the guy that voiced Spike & Shockwave in G1.

Ah. I fear for Prime but Megs should shound ok. Are there any other G1 VAs in the show? And were can i find a cast list for it?

I can't remember all of them, but I heard Susan Blu and John Mochitta are supposed to reprise their roles as Arcee and Blurr.

Briggs wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:
I hate to repeat myself but the first clip was done over three years ago. The bots have welds, rivits, and scrapes that make them seem LIKE ROBOTS, and not some cartoonie crap.

Video game. Not sure why you are comparing video games to cartoons that get produced quite quickly compared to a video game.

Liege Evilmus wrote:I hope you see the point I'm trying to make, we can have better, so why not demand it!?!

In your opinion, we could have better. In my opinion, this is fine and something different then the crap (again, my personal taste and opinion) we've been thrown since after Beast Machines was out.

And, well, there are more kids out there that don't have parents or older brothers/sisters/uncles/aunts who are into transformers and can *sway* their opinion on the new cartoon, so that really does not matter. What does matter, is the mass population of kids that is is targeting (6-11), who don't have anyone older then them that like Transformers.

Plus I don't think we need to bring up that this style of animation it seen all over the place and seems to be the *cool stuff* that kids watch today, so again, our tastes and opinions don't really matter.

I hate that blurred/speedy crap they do when they are trying to show fast moving action or something, I hate that crap, BUT, I will still watch it, if they have some slower moments!

First off (and thanks for looking) I intentionaly showed a video game clip to show the extent of detail that could have gone into recent CG shows like Cybertron. It was a strech that I hoped more folks would have caught onto, especial with how old that particular game is now.

We should be moving on from there. You refrenced the Beast Era, even if you disagree with me, I hope you see my point at least there.

As for this current series, yes this amimation style is all over the place, and whenever that happens, history has proven that you should just get ready for more of the same. If you hate that High speed fast action stuff, well add goofy to it and get ready, cause my friend, here it comes!

And to everyone who sayes that the collectors oppinion doesn't matter, I can't disagree more. Case in point and this is only one istance, twice a week I run into a guy named Lamarr at work. each time I see him we drop everything and talk TFs, not for his sake, but for his son whomb I never met once.

And just to further the point if Hasbro realy only cares about its target market of CHILDREN, why the hell are Classics returning with OCTAINE!?!

He isn't popular with kids, and hasn't been in a show in some 20yrs. Don't underestimate yourselves here. Kids may get 2-10 bots a year, and normaly the cheap ones as collectors tend to get them all!

Don't think they don't know this and count your money in advance as they plan new lines, hence my point of wanting more bang for my buck!

Looks like the teletubbies has some competition for the three and under market.

homelessjunkeon wrote:Looks like the teletubbies has some competition for the three and under market.

Have to keep an eye on those ratings.

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Briggs wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:
I hate to repeat myself but the first clip was done over three years ago. The bots have welds, rivits, and scrapes that make them seem LIKE ROBOTS, and not some cartoonie crap.

Video game. Not sure why you are comparing video games to cartoons that get produced quite quickly compared to a video game.

Liege Evilmus wrote:I hope you see the point I'm trying to make, we can have better, so why not demand it!?!

In your opinion, we could have better. In my opinion, this is fine and something different then the crap (again, my personal taste and opinion) we've been thrown since after Beast Machines was out.

And, well, there are more kids out there that don't have parents or older brothers/sisters/uncles/aunts who are into transformers and can *sway* their opinion on the new cartoon, so that really does not matter. What does matter, is the mass population of kids that is is targeting (6-11), who don't have anyone older then them that like Transformers.

Plus I don't think we need to bring up that this style of animation it seen all over the place and seems to be the *cool stuff* that kids watch today, so again, our tastes and opinions don't really matter.

I hate that blurred/speedy crap they do when they are trying to show fast moving action or something, I hate that crap, BUT, I will still watch it, if they have some slower moments!

First off (and thanks for looking) I intentionaly showed a video game clip to show the extent of detail that could have gone into recent CG shows like Cybertron. It was a strech that I hoped more folks would have caught onto, especial with how old that particular game is now.

We should be moving on from there. You refrenced the Beast Era, even if you disagree with me, I hope you see my point at least there.

As for this current series, yes this amimation style is all over the place, and whenever that happens, history has proven that you should just get ready for more of the same. If you hate that High speed fast action stuff, well add goofy to it and get ready, cause my friend, here it comes!

And to everyone who sayes that the collectors oppinion doesn't matter, I can't disagree more. Case in point and this is only one istance, twice a week I run into a guy named Lamarr at work. each time I see him we drop everything and talk TFs, not for his sake, but for his son whomb I never met once.

And just to further the point if Hasbro realy only cares about its target market of CHILDREN, why the hell are Classics returning with OCTAINE!?!

He isn't popular with kids, and hasn't been in a show in some 20yrs. Don't underestimate yourselves here. Kids may get 2-10 bots a year, and normaly the cheap ones as collectors tend to get them all!

Don't think they don't know this and count your money in advance as they plan new lines, hence my point of wanting more bang for my buck!

The man makes a very compelling arguement.

Think. How many times, when you do your transformers shopping, do you see children in the aisles? When you do seem them, how many? Are they actually buying tfs, or the Star Wars crap next door?

I seriously doubt that kids buy more tfs than collectors. Everyday I will go onto this site, and read about collectors buying hundreds of pounds worth of tf goodness 'on a whim'. Children, especially in the 6-13 range have very little money, and pretty much rely on birthdays and christmas for toy money. Collectors, being mostly older and mostly holding down jobs to fuel their hobby, have a lot more moolah to spend on toys.

So really, who do you think spends more money on toys in a year? A 7 year old, or a 34 year old that works as a police officer, accountant or even a cleaner?

The Master Blaster wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Briggs wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:
I hate to repeat myself but the first clip was done over three years ago. The bots have welds, rivits, and scrapes that make them seem LIKE ROBOTS, and not some cartoonie crap.

Video game. Not sure why you are comparing video games to cartoons that get produced quite quickly compared to a video game.

Liege Evilmus wrote:I hope you see the point I'm trying to make, we can have better, so why not demand it!?!

In your opinion, we could have better. In my opinion, this is fine and something different then the crap (again, my personal taste and opinion) we've been thrown since after Beast Machines was out.

And, well, there are more kids out there that don't have parents or older brothers/sisters/uncles/aunts who are into transformers and can *sway* their opinion on the new cartoon, so that really does not matter. What does matter, is the mass population of kids that is is targeting (6-11), who don't have anyone older then them that like Transformers.

Plus I don't think we need to bring up that this style of animation it seen all over the place and seems to be the *cool stuff* that kids watch today, so again, our tastes and opinions don't really matter.

I hate that blurred/speedy crap they do when they are trying to show fast moving action or something, I hate that crap, BUT, I will still watch it, if they have some slower moments!

First off (and thanks for looking) I intentionaly showed a video game clip to show the extent of detail that could have gone into recent CG shows like Cybertron. It was a strech that I hoped more folks would have caught onto, especial with how old that particular game is now.

We should be moving on from there. You refrenced the Beast Era, even if you disagree with me, I hope you see my point at least there.

As for this current series, yes this amimation style is all over the place, and whenever that happens, history has proven that you should just get ready for more of the same. If you hate that High speed fast action stuff, well add goofy to it and get ready, cause my friend, here it comes!

And to everyone who sayes that the collectors oppinion doesn't matter, I can't disagree more. Case in point and this is only one istance, twice a week I run into a guy named Lamarr at work. each time I see him we drop everything and talk TFs, not for his sake, but for his son whomb I never met once.

And just to further the point if Hasbro realy only cares about its target market of CHILDREN, why the hell are Classics returning with OCTAINE!?!

He isn't popular with kids, and hasn't been in a show in some 20yrs. Don't underestimate yourselves here. Kids may get 2-10 bots a year, and normaly the cheap ones as collectors tend to get them all!

Don't think they don't know this and count your money in advance as they plan new lines, hence my point of wanting more bang for my buck!

The man makes a very compelling arguement.

Think. How many times, when you do your transformers shopping, do you see children in the aisles? When you do seem them, how many? Are they actually buying tfs, or the Star Wars crap next door?

I seriously doubt that kids buy more tfs than collectors. Everyday I will go onto this site, and read about collectors buying hundreds of pounds worth of tf goodness 'on a whim'. Children, especially in the 6-13 range have very little money, and pretty much rely on birthdays and christmas for toy money. Collectors, being mostly older and mostly holding down jobs to fuel their hobby, have a lot more moolah to spend on toys.

So really, who do you think spends more money on toys in a year? A 7 year old, or a 34 year old that works as a police officer, accountant or even a cleaner?

I average about $2500-$4000 a year on bots and I know plenty of collectors who make that seem trivial in comparison. I don't know any kids with that kind of bank!

I also know that there are alot of people out there in the exact same boat, and I know Has/Tak knows this, who do you think MP3 SoundWave was made for, or the entire MP line

Thanks for seeing my point. If left to kids alone, Transformers today would not be at all.

Now please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't try new things, but if you do, just make sure you put the quality in it that a 20+ year franchise deserves.

Up until the end of the Beast Era, TF's have always had a mature look and feel to them, even the Energon and Cybertron bot designs and actions tried to recapture that, why, because this didn't work, even whith the 3-11 year old target audience...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaBB2w7xrzc

So I don't see why they are trying it again

I'm not saying this animation style doesn't have it's merits, but if they would elaborate the designs and idea, I think it would go from "fine" to better, and thats all I want, cause I think after all this time and money, we all deserve better.

I just wanna go one step further,

KIDDIE BOTS vs TRANSFORMERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpaNhFPyu2E

why can't they make a new show with this in mind

yet another series for me not to watch.

Just a quote from tfw2005's dead end i really agree with him 100%

Style does not denote age. And from the intricacies shown here, the back log of info put into this shows an adherance to all walks of age. A good writer does not need to resort to gritty shock value to be 'adult.'

Titans had a rape episode among other adult nods, Animaniacs was full of adult humor, and even Foster's or JLU had pure adult implied moments.

Which of those is a direct 'adult' toon not aimed at kids?
Yet are still highly entertaining to adults, while having adult stories within the context of what looks like a simplistic 'child's story'.

Lord~Megatron wrote:Just a quote from tfw2005's dead end i really agree with him 100%

Style does not denote age. And from the intricacies shown here, the back log of info put into this shows an adherance to all walks of age. A good writer does not need to resort to gritty shock value to be 'adult.'

Titans had a rape episode among other adult nods, Animaniacs was full of adult humor, and even Foster's or JLU had pure adult implied moments.

Which of those is a direct 'adult' toon not aimed at kids?
Yet are still highly entertaining to adults, while having adult stories within the context of what looks like a simplistic 'child's story'.

I can agree with that, it still doesn't change the fact thoug that the LOOK is a silly rehash of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaBB2w7xrzc

Compair the character designs and tell me they aren't very similar.

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:Just a quote from tfw2005's dead end i really agree with him 100%

Style does not denote age. And from the intricacies shown here, the back log of info put into this shows an adherance to all walks of age. A good writer does not need to resort to gritty shock value to be 'adult.'

Titans had a rape episode among other adult nods, Animaniacs was full of adult humor, and even Foster's or JLU had pure adult implied moments.

Which of those is a direct 'adult' toon not aimed at kids?
Yet are still highly entertaining to adults, while having adult stories within the context of what looks like a simplistic 'child's story'.

I can agree with that, it still doesn't change the fact thoug that the LOOK is a silly rehash of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaBB2w7xrzc

Compair the character designs and tell me they aren't very similar.

there not at all its more similar to g1 animation then cartoon networks classic animation. Did you read what i posted and understood all the big word?

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:Just a quote from tfw2005's dead end i really agree with him 100%

Style does not denote age. And from the intricacies shown here, the back log of info put into this shows an adherance to all walks of age. A good writer does not need to resort to gritty shock value to be 'adult.'

Titans had a rape episode among other adult nods, Animaniacs was full of adult humor, and even Foster's or JLU had pure adult implied moments.

Which of those is a direct 'adult' toon not aimed at kids?
Yet are still highly entertaining to adults, while having adult stories within the context of what looks like a simplistic 'child's story'.

I can agree with that, it still doesn't change the fact thoug that the LOOK is a silly rehash of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaBB2w7xrzc

Compair the character designs and tell me they aren't very similar.

there not at all its more similar to g1 animation then cartoon networks classic animation. Did you read what i posted and understood all the big word?

I'm an artist myself, and very well educated. We've been civil in our transactions here and I respect you for it, don't make me loss that respect over what someone else wrote.

As I've stated, I liked Teen Titans, it did get old though, because when the stories started to fizzle they started relying to much on the cartoonie edge that initialy was incorporated to enhance certain moods.

That show went down hill when the joke became the norm, and the writing became lax.

Now, keeping in mind that I do have a respect for this animation style. So, I ask you, the drawing that you use for a signature pic is very elaborate and well detailed. The excessive lines add depth, detail, and character, to what is basicly a drawing.

Tell me yes or no, do you think this show would look better if they went the extra mile and incorporated some of those same details to add and enhance these characters?

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:Just a quote from tfw2005's dead end i really agree with him 100%

Style does not denote age. And from the intricacies shown here, the back log of info put into this shows an adherance to all walks of age. A good writer does not need to resort to gritty shock value to be 'adult.'

Titans had a rape episode among other adult nods, Animaniacs was full of adult humor, and even Foster's or JLU had pure adult implied moments.

Which of those is a direct 'adult' toon not aimed at kids?
Yet are still highly entertaining to adults, while having adult stories within the context of what looks like a simplistic 'child's story'.

I can agree with that, it still doesn't change the fact thoug that the LOOK is a silly rehash of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaBB2w7xrzc

Compair the character designs and tell me they aren't very similar.

there not at all its more similar to g1 animation then cartoon networks classic animation. Did you read what i posted and understood all the big word?

I'm an artist myself, and very well educated. We've been civil in our transactions here and I respect you for it, don't make me loss that respect over what someone else wrote.

As I've stated, I liked Teen Titans, it did get old though, because when the stories started to fizzle they started relying to much on the cartoonie edge that initialy was incorporated to enhance certain moods.

That show went down hill when the joke became the norm, and the writing became lax.

Now, keeping in mind that I do have a respect for this animation style. So, I ask you, the drawing that you use for a signature pic is very elaborate and well detailed. The excessive lines add depth, detail, and character, to what is basicly a drawing.


Tell me yes or no, do you think this show would look better if they went the extra mile and incorporated some of those same details to add and enhance these characters?

Keep the style i like it better. My sig was made by girmsqueaker becuase that was the onlything i could think of was at the time. That gobots thing has its own style you can call it similar but they are 2 different types not the same they really dont even look similar at all.The animation in the new transformers animated is my favorite style and comparing it to somthing like that leads me in for the kill.But i will no longer have this conversation with you on with my life. The conversation on my side end here i have nothing else to add but i like that style it is my prefered style and the more cartoony the better. The toys are art and i draw the end line here-------------- BUH BYE

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:Just a quote from tfw2005's dead end i really agree with him 100%

Style does not denote age. And from the intricacies shown here, the back log of info put into this shows an adherance to all walks of age. A good writer does not need to resort to gritty shock value to be 'adult.'

Titans had a rape episode among other adult nods, Animaniacs was full of adult humor, and even Foster's or JLU had pure adult implied moments.

Which of those is a direct 'adult' toon not aimed at kids?
Yet are still highly entertaining to adults, while having adult stories within the context of what looks like a simplistic 'child's story'.

I can agree with that, it still doesn't change the fact thoug that the LOOK is a silly rehash of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaBB2w7xrzc

Compair the character designs and tell me they aren't very similar.

there not at all its more similar to g1 animation then cartoon networks classic animation. Did you read what i posted and understood all the big word?

I'm an artist myself, and very well educated. We've been civil in our transactions here and I respect you for it, don't make me loss that respect over what someone else wrote.

As I've stated, I liked Teen Titans, it did get old though, because when the stories started to fizzle they started relying to much on the cartoonie edge that initialy was incorporated to enhance certain moods.

That show went down hill when the joke became the norm, and the writing became lax.

Now, keeping in mind that I do have a respect for this animation style. So, I ask you, the drawing that you use for a signature pic is very elaborate and well detailed. The excessive lines add depth, detail, and character, to what is basicly a drawing.


Tell me yes or no, do you think this show would look better if they went the extra mile and incorporated some of those same details to add and enhance these characters?

Keep the style i like it better. My sig was made by girmsqueaker becuase that was the onlything i could think of was at the time. That gobots thing has its own style you can call it similar but they are 2 different types not the same they really dont even look similar at all.The animation in the new transformers animated is my favorite style and comparing it to somthing like that leads me in for the kill.

Do you're best, but your not getting the point, look at the design not the style.

As for me refrencing your sig pic, you use it therefore you must like it, and you can't tell me the details don't make it better than just a flat drawing.

I'm not questioning your tastes or saying that your opinion is wrong. I'm just saying that this same style, as with any style, could and should be improved upon from what was done yesterday. If Teen Titans and Ben10 are great, then this should be astounding!

"Great art is never completed, just abandoned" -LeMerchant

Without evolutions in design and quality, we are only left with the crumbs of both the illustrator, and animators origional ideas.

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:Just a quote from tfw2005's dead end i really agree with him 100%

Style does not denote age. And from the intricacies shown here, the back log of info put into this shows an adherance to all walks of age. A good writer does not need to resort to gritty shock value to be 'adult.'

Titans had a rape episode among other adult nods, Animaniacs was full of adult humor, and even Foster's or JLU had pure adult implied moments.

Which of those is a direct 'adult' toon not aimed at kids?
Yet are still highly entertaining to adults, while having adult stories within the context of what looks like a simplistic 'child's story'.

I can agree with that, it still doesn't change the fact thoug that the LOOK is a silly rehash of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaBB2w7xrzc

Compair the character designs and tell me they aren't very similar.

there not at all its more similar to g1 animation then cartoon networks classic animation. Did you read what i posted and understood all the big word?

I'm an artist myself, and very well educated. We've been civil in our transactions here and I respect you for it, don't make me loss that respect over what someone else wrote.

As I've stated, I liked Teen Titans, it did get old though, because when the stories started to fizzle they started relying to much on the cartoonie edge that initialy was incorporated to enhance certain moods.

That show went down hill when the joke became the norm, and the writing became lax.

Now, keeping in mind that I do have a respect for this animation style. So, I ask you, the drawing that you use for a signature pic is very elaborate and well detailed. The excessive lines add depth, detail, and character, to what is basicly a drawing.


Tell me yes or no, do you think this show would look better if they went the extra mile and incorporated some of those same details to add and enhance these characters?

Keep the style i like it better. My sig was made by girmsqueaker becuase that was the onlything i could think of was at the time. That gobots thing has its own style you can call it similar but they are 2 different types not the same they really dont even look similar at all.The animation in the new transformers animated is my favorite style and comparing it to somthing like that leads me in for the kill.

Do you're best, but your not getting the point, look at the design not the style.

As for me refrencing your sig pic, you use it therefore you must like it, and you can't tell me the details don't make it better than just a flat drawing.

I'm not questioning your tastes or saying that your opinion is wrong. I'm just saying that this same style, as with any style, could and should be improved upon from what was done yesterday. If Teen Titans and Ben10 are great, then this should be astounding!

"Great art is never completed, just abandoned" -LeMerchant

Without evolutions in design and quality, we are only left with the crumbs of both the illustrator, and animators origional ideas.

Yep my sig is great

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:Just a quote from tfw2005's dead end i really agree with him 100%

Style does not denote age. And from the intricacies shown here, the back log of info put into this shows an adherance to all walks of age. A good writer does not need to resort to gritty shock value to be 'adult.'

Titans had a rape episode among other adult nods, Animaniacs was full of adult humor, and even Foster's or JLU had pure adult implied moments.

Which of those is a direct 'adult' toon not aimed at kids?
Yet are still highly entertaining to adults, while having adult stories within the context of what looks like a simplistic 'child's story'.

I can agree with that, it still doesn't change the fact thoug that the LOOK is a silly rehash of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaBB2w7xrzc

Compair the character designs and tell me they aren't very similar.

there not at all its more similar to g1 animation then cartoon networks classic animation. Did you read what i posted and understood all the big word?

I'm an artist myself, and very well educated. We've been civil in our transactions here and I respect you for it, don't make me loss that respect over what someone else wrote.

As I've stated, I liked Teen Titans, it did get old though, because when the stories started to fizzle they started relying to much on the cartoonie edge that initialy was incorporated to enhance certain moods.

That show went down hill when the joke became the norm, and the writing became lax.

Now, keeping in mind that I do have a respect for this animation style. So, I ask you, the drawing that you use for a signature pic is very elaborate and well detailed. The excessive lines add depth, detail, and character, to what is basicly a drawing.


Tell me yes or no, do you think this show would look better if they went the extra mile and incorporated some of those same details to add and enhance these characters?

Keep the style i like it better. My sig was made by girmsqueaker becuase that was the onlything i could think of was at the time. That gobots thing has its own style you can call it similar but they are 2 different types not the same they really dont even look similar at all.The animation in the new transformers animated is my favorite style and comparing it to somthing like that leads me in for the kill.

Do you're best, but your not getting the point, look at the design not the style.

As for me refrencing your sig pic, you use it therefore you must like it, and you can't tell me the details don't make it better than just a flat drawing.

I'm not questioning your tastes or saying that your opinion is wrong. I'm just saying that this same style, as with any style, could and should be improved upon from what was done yesterday. If Teen Titans and Ben10 are great, then this should be astounding!

"Great art is never completed, just abandoned" -LeMerchant

Without evolutions in design and quality, we are only left with the crumbs of both the illustrator, and animators origional ideas.

Yep my sig is great

Hey if thats what you like fine, but you realy should spell check

In all my posts in this thread, I haven't faulted anyone for their oppinion, everyone is welcome to there own. I've even gone to bat for some folks who bashed me.

Still, when this airs, it will be our dollars and channels, that will determine if these designs will be short lived, upgraded, or scraped for the next thing.

I'm hoping for some good stories, I truely am, but still, in the world of film and television, story without quality picture may as well just be radio.

I hope this series does do well, I know that may seem to contradict alot of what I've been saying. But take Beast Wars, and to a (much) lesser extent Armada. For these series to be sucsessful, the image and design HAD to be revised.

This is the first TF series in some time that is being planned with the idea of long term continuation in mind. On that note, the room for improvemnt is there.

But still, after 20+ years of trial and error, one would think they'd start off with the best they could do from the start, and not generic forms.
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Also, a full size pic of the animation poster has been posted with Megatron featured. You may be happier with that and using white in your lettering as the purple it tending to blend.

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:Just a quote from tfw2005's dead end i really agree with him 100%

Style does not denote age. And from the intricacies shown here, the back log of info put into this shows an adherance to all walks of age. A good writer does not need to resort to gritty shock value to be 'adult.'

Titans had a rape episode among other adult nods, Animaniacs was full of adult humor, and even Foster's or JLU had pure adult implied moments.

Which of those is a direct 'adult' toon not aimed at kids?
Yet are still highly entertaining to adults, while having adult stories within the context of what looks like a simplistic 'child's story'.

I can agree with that, it still doesn't change the fact thoug that the LOOK is a silly rehash of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaBB2w7xrzc

Compair the character designs and tell me they aren't very similar.

there not at all its more similar to g1 animation then cartoon networks classic animation. Did you read what i posted and understood all the big word?

I'm an artist myself, and very well educated. We've been civil in our transactions here and I respect you for it, don't make me loss that respect over what someone else wrote.

As I've stated, I liked Teen Titans, it did get old though, because when the stories started to fizzle they started relying to much on the cartoonie edge that initialy was incorporated to enhance certain moods.

That show went down hill when the joke became the norm, and the writing became lax.

Now, keeping in mind that I do have a respect for this animation style. So, I ask you, the drawing that you use for a signature pic is very elaborate and well detailed. The excessive lines add depth, detail, and character, to what is basicly a drawing.


Tell me yes or no, do you think this show would look better if they went the extra mile and incorporated some of those same details to add and enhance these characters?

Keep the style i like it better. My sig was made by girmsqueaker becuase that was the onlything i could think of was at the time. That gobots thing has its own style you can call it similar but they are 2 different types not the same they really dont even look similar at all.The animation in the new transformers animated is my favorite style and comparing it to somthing like that leads me in for the kill.

Do you're best, but your not getting the point, look at the design not the style.

As for me refrencing your sig pic, you use it therefore you must like it, and you can't tell me the details don't make it better than just a flat drawing.

I'm not questioning your tastes or saying that your opinion is wrong. I'm just saying that this same style, as with any style, could and should be improved upon from what was done yesterday. If Teen Titans and Ben10 are great, then this should be astounding!

"Great art is never completed, just abandoned" -LeMerchant

Without evolutions in design and quality, we are only left with the crumbs of both the illustrator, and animators origional ideas.

Yep my sig is great

Hey if thats what you like fine, but you realy should spell check

I TOLF (<---Lol) YOU ITS BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actualy You told it to that other guy when we first started this yesterday.

And I stood up for your ass then as well

Liege Evilmus wrote:Actualy You told it to that other guy when we first started this yesterday.

And I stood up for your ass then as well

I stabed it lol. You know the guy who went crazy on my spelling the otherday for no reason. He pmed me and told me to go have sex with my neighbor???????????