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I have the right to like something, then hate it, then maybe like it again. As it's my opinion and my money to spend not anyone elses.

Did my best to provide a long reply describing why I change my heart on some Third party toys.

Sorry, but i'm finished discussing this. Won't be wasting pages in threads arguing with anyone or defending myself. As I know everyone dislikes this.

If you want to further discuss this with me. Then please PM me to keep this stuff off the forums.

Agamemnon wrote:

megatronus wrote:TL;DR

I admit I had to go to urban dictionary....

Well that was anti clmactic.

Back to the fig.......DonFig must be soooooo pissed off!

Rated X wrote:I like it but I dont 150 like it. What scale is it anyways ? Hopefully MP so I wont be tempted.

MP Convoy scale or MP Lambor scale. Correctme if I'm wrong but the latter is Voyager sized and not Leader. So it's safe to say you will be TEMPTED!

Tsutsukakushi wrote:With PE Leonidas, I did like the original art sketch and original CAD art for this toy in both modes. Then PE created a revamped design that was less pleasing to me than the first one. As the months passe by, My thoughts kept changing on this toy. What made me finally decide against this toy were the more clearer pics better showing off the sculpted details on this toy. Just don't need my Update toys to look like a fusion between Gundam and Zoids Aesthetics sculpting.

I'm not sure if you had someone else wrote that long reply for you, or you just forget things you wrote easily, but that it was just 6 days ago (with you praising the new Gundam/Zoids design, no less), and a total 180 on BW2 Leo Prime as well.

And you've been doing this even with Hexatron/Feralrex which you once claimed "3rd party toys that's worth the price", but then wishes for KO of them, and "Supports Hastak" but is proud of buying KO MPs because the "local retail prices is too high", and more recently "Already owns MP Magnus; still waiting for Hasbro version in 2016" (which doesn't sound like someone who budget their money for toys).
There's no consistency at all with you(except for maybe your love for Overlord and height measurements).

But you know what? You're right. Your posts, your money; your rules, who am I to question it? So I'll too drop this right here, as you wished.

Doesn't mean I'm going to stop calling out future bs inconsistencies though .

this thing is looking tempting...

I've never really been a fan of the "perma-thrust" pelvis look...

Who's un bright idea was it to create a under sized short and skinny deluxe class robot torso. That is on top of a leader class pair of robot legs.

What's up with the Fem bot Anorexic steroids looking abs-stomach. It's one of the worse extreme caricatures, I've ever seen



Don't need super heroes extreme unrealistic steroids caricature Aesthetics sculpting on my newer Transformers toys. Where the robot form is overly muscular with fake caricature mixed matched proportions

This is the reason I only bought Two, 2008 Animated Transformers toys. And only bought a few Micheal bay TF Movie toys.

Newer pics of the Lion mode.

Think the lion form is the strongest sculpted mode this toy has. Speculating the toy was built around the beast mode and the robot mode took a back seat.

Think Once it gets Transformed into robot mode. It becomes a more noticeable Frankenstein mix and match of under sized and over sized parts badly slapped together.

mooncake623 wrote:this thing is looking tempting...

He's big alright!

Think if MMC or FP or TW got their hands on these Leonidas CAD art files. They would have created a more better proportioned toy in both modes.

Going to say that PE ruined a great CAD art design with Leonidas. As I think all of the under sized and over sized parts badly slapped together ruin this toy.

Mixed matched robot parts I see are. Big bulky thighs, skinny long lower legs. Deluxe class torso on top of a Leader class pair of legs. Skinny tall head. Skinny arms that don't match the big bulk of the thighs. Over sized lion head hanging off the skinny arms and deluxe torso. Overly skinny barely there anorexic looking stomach-ab section.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think if MMC or FP or TW got their hands on these Leonidas CAD art files. They would have created a more better proportioned toy in both modes.

Going to say that PE ruined a great CAD art design with Leonidas. As I think all of the under sized and over sized parts badly slapped together ruin this toy.

That's....not how CAD files work, man. The final product is exactly how PE had it designed in CAD. You don't magically get a "better proportioned" design by giving them to somebody else.

Besides, if anyone else wants to make a Leo Prime, they'll just make their own. Less hassle to design anew than to make multiple changes to an existing one.

guarayakha wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think if MMC or FP or TW got their hands on these Leonidas CAD art files. They would have created a more better proportioned toy in both modes.

Going to say that PE ruined a great CAD art design with Leonidas. As I think all of the under sized and over sized parts badly slapped together ruin this toy.

That's....not how CAD files work, man. The final product is exactly how PE had it designed in CAD. You don't magically get a "better proportioned" design by giving them to somebody else.

Besides, if anyone else wants to make a Leo Prime, they'll just make their own. Less hassle to design anew than to make multiple changes to an existing one.

Sorry for the wrong terminology CAD word.

Liked the initial quickie art sketches that the artist did for PE Leonidas. Until someone felt the need to change it.



Can't find the initial quickie art sketches for Leonidas lion mode pics online. but they looked more Beast Wars Organic, vastly different. Than the final toy mechanical lion styled version.

Think these are all the wrong toys to pose to next Leonidas. As their all way too big.

Would like to see the Leonidas robot toy posed next to similar scaled CHUG Ultra Class robot toys. And next to those CW Leader Class robot toys.

For pics next to Leonidas lion mode. Think Ultra class Beast Wars II Lio Convoy and Target Voyager Lio Prime. Are the perfect beast toys to show the Leonidas lion toy scale.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think these are all the wrong toys to pose to next Leonidas. As their all way too big.

Would like to see the Leonidas robot toy posed next to similar scaled CHUG Ultra Class robot toys. And next to those CW Leader Class robot toys.

For pics next to Leonidas lion mode. Think Ultra class Beast Wars II Lio Convoy and Target Voyager Lio Prime. Are the perfect beast toys to show the Leonidas lion toy scale.

These pics are for a size comparison to let you see how big he is (which I thought you would like since you love large size toys) they're not suggesting that you pose him with them, their aesthetics are completely different.

I'm having issues now. There's no doubt it's a phenomenal looking toy. But it looks more like a random Japanese anime robot with a Convoy head slapped on than a TF. Also, where does he belong? It's not a Cybertronian pre-beast form since it's still an animal. And it's not post-beast form like a Transmetal or Transtech (as Transmetals varied much in colors from original forms).

I think that's enough to make me OK with skipping this fella.

Oh my goodness that thing is beautiful and I want one. Accuracy be damned he's just too awesome.

mooncake623 wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think these are all the wrong toys to pose to next Leonidas. As their all way too big.

Would like to see the Leonidas robot toy posed next to similar scaled CHUG Ultra Class robot toys. And next to those CW Leader Class robot toys.

For pics next to Leonidas lion mode. Think Ultra class Beast Wars II Lio Convoy and Target Voyager Lio Prime. Are the perfect beast toys to show the Leonidas lion toy scale.

These pics are for a size comparison to let you see how big he is (which I thought you would like since you love large size toys) they're not suggesting that you pose him with them, their aesthetics are completely different.

When wondering what height the newer TF Robot toy is. Like the newer toy posed next to similar scaled toys. Not a smaller toy posed next to Four giant scaled toys.

Had they posed the Ultra class Leonidas toy. next to some other Ultra class toys that HasTak made. I'd have a better view of how tall Leonidas robot mode is.

Delta Magnus wrote:Oh my goodness that thing is beautiful and I want one. Accuracy be damned he's just too awesome.

I agree!!

I feel like this is going to be like their fort max! I had no intention to get it until it came out and it looked awesome!

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think these are all the wrong toys to pose to next Leonidas. As their all way too big.

Would like to see the Leonidas robot toy posed next to similar scaled CHUG Ultra Class robot toys. And next to those CW Leader Class robot toys.

For pics next to Leonidas lion mode. Think Ultra class Beast Wars II Lio Convoy and Target Voyager Lio Prime. Are the perfect beast toys to show the Leonidas lion toy scale.

These pics are for a size comparison to let you see how big he is (which I thought you would like since you love large size toys) they're not suggesting that you pose him with them, their aesthetics are completely different.

When wondering what height the newer TF Robot toy is. Like the newer toy posed next to similar scaled toys. Not a smaller toy posed next to Four giant scaled toys.

Had they posed the Ultra class Leonidas toy. next to some other Ultra class toys that HasTak made. I'd have a better view of how tall Leonidas robot mode is.

...In any case, he's roughly the same height as old BW2 Leo Prime, if you must know.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think these are all the wrong toys to pose to next Leonidas. As their all way too big.

Would like to see the Leonidas robot toy posed next to similar scaled CHUG Ultra Class robot toys. And next to those CW Leader Class robot toys.

For pics next to Leonidas lion mode. Think Ultra class Beast Wars II Lio Convoy and Target Voyager Lio Prime. Are the perfect beast toys to show the Leonidas lion toy scale.

These pics are for a size comparison to let you see how big he is (which I thought you would like since you love large size toys) they're not suggesting that you pose him with them, their aesthetics are completely different.

When wondering what height the newer TF Robot toy is. Like the newer toy posed next to similar scaled toys. Not a smaller toy posed next to Four giant scaled toys.

Had they posed the Ultra class Leonidas toy. next to some other Ultra class toys that HasTak made. I'd have a better view of how tall Leonidas robot mode is.

Tsu

Based on the pics, he's a head shorter than MP-10 (not counting the lion head).

Btw, I sense a "conflict" within in you. Will you take in the "Darkside" or that of the "Force"? Take the plunge or non at all. But unless those pics are photoshopped, they look gosh darn beautiful. I'd oggle at it and whimper in the corner as all my finances are currently tied up with the UW line.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:When wondering what height the newer TF Robot toy is. Like the newer toy posed next to similar scaled toys. Not a smaller toy posed next to Four giant scaled toys.

Had they posed the Ultra class Leonidas toy. next to some other Ultra class toys that HasTak made. I'd have a better view of how tall Leonidas robot mode is.

So you're bringing both height and scale into the equation for a very confusing explanation. I'm not sure how you can't tell how tall Leonidas' robot mode is next other figures that 1). are widely available, 2). have plenty of size comparison pictures available with other figures, 3). and have known dimensions.

I'm just not sure how you can't discern a robot's height as he's next to MP-10. Scale does nothing for this request.

PS -

Leonidas product page from BBTS wrote:The Perfect Effect Leonidas figure stands about 9" (23cm) tall in robot mode and contains die-cast parts.

Please don't post you'll wait for it's K.O. version.

necr0blivion wrote:PS -

Leonidas product page from BBTS wrote:The Perfect Effect Leonidas figure stands about 9" (23cm) tall in robot mode and contains die-cast parts.

Those measurements most of the time are wrong. Like TW saying Evila was a 8.9 inch toy. When it turned out to be a 8.5 inch tall toy.

BBTS Needs to seriously save a link to a cm site converter. Because BBTS always gets the CM to inches conversions wrong.

fenrir72 wrote: Tsu

Btw, I sense a "conflict" within in you. Will you take in the "Darkside" or that of the "Force"? Take the plunge or non at all. But unless those pics are photoshopped, they look gosh darn beautiful. I'd oggle at it and whimper in the corner as all my finances are currently tied up with the UW line.

Have no plans to buy this toy. As I don't like buying newer TF toys that have misproportioned and ugly sculpted robot body parts.

D-D-D-Die cast??!?!?!?

SOLD (or at least it would be if I had the wonga)