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Blurrz wrote:And it's not like Hasbro isn't going to release their own Wingblade Prime...

I hope so. I don't know why I'm so angry about this figure, but it's bothering me. I suppose it's the fear that Hasbro won't do it and I'll be stuck with this completely out of place figure. It's like Optimus is getting oiled up for some Turkish wrestling, and I am not amused.

There must be some reasoning to the madness. Did the last waves of Animated (prior to the kill) not sell very well? If Hasbro had some communication with the fanbase, heck if they'd check every sites Q&A, they'd realize that they're cancelling the wrong figures. I know we're getting Rodimus Minor and Ironhide along with Arcee and Ratchet, but there are still some, including the awesome repaint of myself, Vortex Blurr, that needs to be in my collection.

I wish I could buy just the jetpack and the hammer... I already spent $50 on Takara Optimus, now I have to spend another $55 for a slightly different version? Hopefully Hasbro will release it too so I can at least buy it cheaper.

another toy based on or looks like god ginrai.

I think it looks good, but probably not $56 + shipping good...

Razorclaw0000 wrote:

Blurrz wrote:And it's not like Hasbro isn't going to release their own Wingblade Prime...

I hope so. I don't know why I'm so angry about this figure, but it's bothering me. I suppose it's the fear that Hasbro won't do it and I'll be stuck with this completely out of place figure. It's like Optimus is getting oiled up for some Turkish wrestling, and I am not amused.

Aw, c'mon! Does the figure really matter? The armor is removable and works with both the Deluxe and Voyager figures, whether they're American or Japanese.

If you have the original, American Optimus, you can put this armor on that figure, and put this one in storage or sell it or trade it.

You seriously have to calm down, because getting this angry over something so unimportant is just ridiculous. No offense, but this kinda thing is getting a bit old and making the fandom a less likable place.

Pretty sweet but i wish there was matte grey instead.

finally, he's got a trailer... so what happened to hasbro's version?

Mechastrike wrote:finally, he's got a trailer... so what happened to hasbro's version?

Down the dumps, unless they want to release it sometime the end of this year or next year.

Blurrz wrote:

Mechastrike wrote:finally, he's got a trailer... so what happened to hasbro's version?

Down the dumps, unless they want to release it sometime the end of this year or next year.

They will, just like idw will provide us with in-fiction explanations of why the Transformers keep changing their bodies in-between story arcs.

All those that want the armour but don't want the Prime due to it's paint. Buy it anyway and sell or trade off the Prime to someone that wants it, the armour is glossy paint free and fits on both earth-mode Prime's. This is likely the only way you'll ever get this set, ever.

Dead Metal wrote:

Blurrz wrote:

Mechastrike wrote:finally, he's got a trailer... so what happened to hasbro's version?

Down the dumps, unless they want to release it sometime the end of this year or next year.

They will, just like idw will provide us with in-fiction explanations of why the Transformers keep changing their bodies in-between story arcs.

All those that want the armour but don't want the Prime due to it's paint. Buy it anyway and sell or trade off the Prime to someone that wants it, the armour is glossy paint free and fits on both earth-mode Prime's. This is likely the only way you'll ever get this set, ever.

Thank you! Finally! *sighs*

Overcracker wrote:

Dagon wrote:[quote="JelZe GoldRabbit
Well, alright then. I guess that solves that debate. Knowing is half the battle.

It seems the other half of the battle is going to be wedging that Ultra Magnus hammer in to Prime's hand.

Fortunately for you, this pack seems to provide Optimus Prime with a larger set of fists, which may just be big enough to accommodate the peg. And it also appears the gauntlet fists have a hinge so the fingers might be able to open.

Well that's kinda cool, but I don't care about the Animated line at all. I just stopped in to see the picture, and then MEgazarek was saying the hammer was too little, so I was just tossin' in my two cents as a way of solving his displeasure over the hammer. Looks like between the two of us, we did.

Autobot032 wrote:

Razorclaw0000 wrote:

Blurrz wrote:And it's not like Hasbro isn't going to release their own Wingblade Prime...

I hope so. I don't know why I'm so angry about this figure, but it's bothering me. I suppose it's the fear that Hasbro won't do it and I'll be stuck with this completely out of place figure. It's like Optimus is getting oiled up for some Turkish wrestling, and I am not amused.

Aw, c'mon! Does the figure really matter? The armor is removable and works with both the Deluxe and Voyager figures, whether they're American or Japanese.

If you have the original, American Optimus, you can put this armor on that figure, and put this one in storage or sell it or trade it.

You seriously have to calm down, because getting this angry over something so unimportant is just ridiculous. No offense, but this kinda thing is getting a bit old and making the fandom a less likable place.

I don;t know why I'm saying this, but somehow I just can't help myself, and I'm trying, because I know that in the grand scheme of the universe it's pointless. I also know I'm a long way from home advocating this kind of crazy idea on a discussionboard, but is there some reason why it's becoming less and less permissible to discuss things recently? Razorclaw doesn;t seem to be proclaiming this toy the end of the world, only that he finds it disagreeable. All he's doing is exchanging an idea, and if that's what's getting old and ruining this or any fandom, it's time to pack up the tents and just make this place a website of pictures.
Now everyone, go right on and lambast me, I don't care about that. I'm just saying that the trend of "This is wonderful.....everything is fine....thank god I'm not a Delta...." just kind of keeps rolling on 'round here, and that's what I think is old and detrimental to anything, let alone some fandom. I don't think it's a big deal if we disagree, but if we start forcing people to agree or say they shouldn't be able to disagree, well that just sucks.

Dagon wrote:I don't think it's a big deal if we disagree, but if we start forcing people to agree or say they shouldn't be able to disagree, well that just sucks.

This idea you propose is far too rational and convenient for the purposes of a message board. Either you're with the Autobots, or you're with the Decepticons. Or the Maximals. Or the Mini-cons. Or...

But what I really mean is that I agree

Dagon wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Razorclaw0000 wrote:

Blurrz wrote:And it's not like Hasbro isn't going to release their own Wingblade Prime...

I hope so. I don't know why I'm so angry about this figure, but it's bothering me. I suppose it's the fear that Hasbro won't do it and I'll be stuck with this completely out of place figure. It's like Optimus is getting oiled up for some Turkish wrestling, and I am not amused.

Aw, c'mon! Does the figure really matter? The armor is removable and works with both the Deluxe and Voyager figures, whether they're American or Japanese.

If you have the original, American Optimus, you can put this armor on that figure, and put this one in storage or sell it or trade it.

You seriously have to calm down, because getting this angry over something so unimportant is just ridiculous. No offense, but this kinda thing is getting a bit old and making the fandom a less likable place.

I don;t know why I'm saying this, but somehow I just can't help myself, and I'm trying, because I know that in the grand scheme of the universe it's pointless. I also know I'm a long way from home advocating this kind of crazy idea on a discussionboard, but is there some reason why it's becoming less and less permissible to discuss things recently? Razorclaw doesn;t seem to be proclaiming this toy the end of the world, only that he finds it disagreeable. All he's doing is exchanging an idea, and if that's what's getting old and ruining this or any fandom, it's time to pack up the tents and just make this place a website of pictures.
Now everyone, go right on and lambast me, I don't care about that. I'm just saying that the trend of "This is wonderful.....everything is fine....thank god I'm not a Delta...." just kind of keeps rolling on 'round here, and that's what I think is old and detrimental to anything, let alone some fandom. I don't think it's a big deal if we disagree, but if we start forcing people to agree or say they shouldn't be able to disagree, well that just sucks.

It's not a matter of him having an opinion... he's entitled to it.

It's that he's complaining needlessly. And it is pointless. Here's why:

1.) The armor pieces will work with either the Voyager or Deluxe Class molds. (One problem solved.)

2.) They appear not to be chromed, so as to fit with either figure, American or Japanese. (Another problem solved.)

3.) Hasbro hasn't released it, and doesn't seem to have any current plans to release it, otherwise we'd have heard about it by now. Takara is releasing it, so we'll actually get the figure in the end. (Another problem solved.)


So now, with all of that in mind, why is there a need to complain about it? So what if the figure's chromed? Sell it off, trade it off, kitbash it or something. It's not a necessary component to make the armor work. If it's that big of a deal, just don't buy the thing.


My frustration is with the fact that most people are complaining and overlooking the obvious here. The armor comes with the figure, yes it sucks having to buy doubles, but the figure isn't necessary, and it's not that big of a deal. If it really is, then don't buy it and go without.


The whining and complaining about something so insignificant is what I was complaining about. And it is a drag on the fandom. It's a constant barrage of complaining over something as unimportant as this. And him actually saying that he's angry over it.

Get angry over the line being canceled as whole, but a figure having chrome when ll that really matters is the armor pieces it comes with? It happens. Get over it.

It sounds like you are the only one upset and frustrated around here. Is it that unreasonable for someone on a message board to voice an opinion? Are we not entitled to offer criticism?

If I were Razorclaw right now, I'd tell you that you're blowing this thing WAY out of proportion. But he's probably too nice to say that.

It Is Him wrote:But he's probably too nice to say that.

I really am usually pretty nice.

But not on this.

The bottom line is this:

I feel like TT has completely lost sight of the intentions of the Animated toyline. Hasbro has 100% nailed the overall decos (barring some minor details that I was hoping TT would add). Instead, TT decided to change the entire feel of line by "glossing them up" and disrespect the characters, the writers, and the designers. It was change for the sake of change, and I don't like it.

I spend *WAY* too much money on Transformers to be forced to buy this inferior figure if I want to have a complete set of Animated figures. I'm frustrated by Hasbro's lack of communication regarding the end of the line.

I dearly loved Animated, and I'm very angry it was cancelled to make way for the movie figures, which I only "like", not "love" on the whole. I'm angry that we're not hearing anything from Hasbro. I'm angry that TT is stomping all over the spirit of Animated with their bastardization.

Anyway, thanks to you all who stood up for me!

I agree with you Razorclaw. If you purchase TF figures you are supporting a company, and purchasing their product. If you are unhappy with the product, you are entitled to voice a disagreement or an opinion. Sure, you can stop buying the product, but you can also voice displeasure. The totalitarian idea that I (as a general pronoun) must either unquestioningly love or hate something as a categorical is mindboggling.

You don;t have to love every single thing in order to be a fan. Certainly if anyone likes a sports team, are you a die hard fan of every single member of the team? Maybe. But more realistically, probably not, since you're a human being and not perfect or absolute. I'll tell you something, I'm a Colorado Avalanche die hard fanatic, and I hate Peter Budaj, even though he plays for the Avalanche. So, I guess it's possible to not like everything about something that you like.

Dagon wrote:I agree with you Razorclaw. If you purchase TF figures you are supporting a company, and purchasing their product. If you are unhappy with the product, you are entitled to voice a disagreement or an opinion. Sure, you can stop buying the product, but you can also voice displeasure. The totalitarian idea that I (as a general pronoun) must either unquestioningly love or hate something as a categorical is mindboggling.

You don;t have to love every single thing in order to be a fan. Certainly if anyone likes a sports team, are you a die hard fan of every single member of the team? Maybe. But more realistically, probably not, since you're a human being and not perfect or absolute. I'll tell you something, I'm a Colorado Avalanche die hard fanatic, and I hate Peter Budaj, even though he plays for the Avalanche. So, I guess it's possible to not like everything about something that you like.

lolololololol

No one said anybody had to love or hate anything. In fact, that'd be a bit overboard (telling someone how to feel, and actually loving or hating over some toys both....)

*sighs*

Autobot032 wrote:

Dagon wrote:I agree with you Razorclaw. If you purchase TF figures you are supporting a company, and purchasing their product. If you are unhappy with the product, you are entitled to voice a disagreement or an opinion. Sure, you can stop buying the product, but you can also voice displeasure. The totalitarian idea that I (as a general pronoun) must either unquestioningly love or hate something as a categorical is mindboggling.

You don;t have to love every single thing in order to be a fan. Certainly if anyone likes a sports team, are you a die hard fan of every single member of the team? Maybe. But more realistically, probably not, since you're a human being and not perfect or absolute. I'll tell you something, I'm a Colorado Avalanche die hard fanatic, and I hate Peter Budaj, even though he plays for the Avalanche. So, I guess it's possible to not like everything about something that you like.

lolololololol

No one said anybody had to love or hate anything. In fact, that'd be a bit overboard (telling someone how to feel, and actually loving or hating over some toys both....)

*sighs*

Well, I fully admit that my post was pretty ham-handed, and I don't think it realy came out the way that I wanted it to. So, in that respect I apologize if/that anyone finds it upsetting or whatnot.
I don't apologize for hating Peter Budaj. I really do.
If it's overboard to tell people how they should feel, doesn't that mean it's kind of going overboard to tell someone that they shouldn't react the way that they do to a toy, or anything else? I mean, 'loving' or 'hating' anything is essentially a figure of speech, cause I don't actually hate Budaj, because there are things more worthy of my hate than a goalie. But I can have whatever feeling I want, because there isn't one law for the lion and the ox.
I'm just saying. It's not right or wrong to have an opinion whether it's a positive or negative opinion. We all know that we dont have to have the same opinion, but having opinions is never bad for any collective. Disagreeing about things as galactically trivial as toys is probably a lot better than disagreeing over other galactic trivialities.

Dagon wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Dagon wrote:I agree with you Razorclaw. If you purchase TF figures you are supporting a company, and purchasing their product. If you are unhappy with the product, you are entitled to voice a disagreement or an opinion. Sure, you can stop buying the product, but you can also voice displeasure. The totalitarian idea that I (as a general pronoun) must either unquestioningly love or hate something as a categorical is mindboggling.

You don;t have to love every single thing in order to be a fan. Certainly if anyone likes a sports team, are you a die hard fan of every single member of the team? Maybe. But more realistically, probably not, since you're a human being and not perfect or absolute. I'll tell you something, I'm a Colorado Avalanche die hard fanatic, and I hate Peter Budaj, even though he plays for the Avalanche. So, I guess it's possible to not like everything about something that you like.

lolololololol

No one said anybody had to love or hate anything. In fact, that'd be a bit overboard (telling someone how to feel, and actually loving or hating over some toys both....)

*sighs*

Well, I fully admit that my post was pretty ham-handed, and I don't think it realy came out the way that I wanted it to. So, in that respect I apologize if/that anyone finds it upsetting or whatnot.
I don't apologize for hating Peter Budaj. I really do.
If it's overboard to tell people how they should feel, doesn't that mean it's kind of going overboard to tell someone that they shouldn't react the way that they do to a toy, or anything else? I mean, 'loving' or 'hating' anything is essentially a figure of speech, cause I don't actually hate Budaj, because there are things more worthy of my hate than a goalie. But I can have whatever feeling I want, because there isn't one law for the lion and the ox.
I'm just saying. It's not right or wrong to have an opinion whether it's a positive or negative opinion. We all know that we dont have to have the same opinion, but having opinions is never bad for any collective. Disagreeing about things as galactically trivial as toys is probably a lot better than disagreeing over other galactic trivialities.

...I'll try this one more time. It's not about his having an opinion or sharing it. It's not about loving or hating this that and the other thing. It's about the act OF complaining and being angry. He's angry and complaining about a figure he'll most likely never, ever see from Hasbro, and Takara's giving it to us. So it has tacky chrome on the robot, I don't like it either, but here's the thing....you don't have to keep the robot to own the armor. Get rid of the chromey Prime once you get the pieces you want from it.

Is it really worth bitching about finally getting a figure that for all intents and purposes was probably never going to see the light of day?

Do you not see why that's infuriating? Hasbro dropped the ball, Takara picked it up, and in the end we still get the stuff we wanted. We might have to go the extra mile and spend a bit more to get what we want, but be mad at Hasbro for all this. Don't blame Takara, and don't take it out on an inanimate object for having chrome.

Do you realize how CRAZY that sounds? And no, I'm not the only person who read that post and said "WTF?"

There's nothing wrong with being pissed about the situation, we shouldn't have to pay extra for what we were promised, but we have to, simple as that. Or, we don't, but then that's on us, isn't it?

People all over the world end up paying more than they're supposed to, and you don't see them flipping their lid over such silliness. Want to hurt 'em? Don't support 'em and don't give 'em your dough.

On the other hand, if you don't need to keep the figure because you already have the original, and it's clear that the armor will work with it, then is it really worth whining about?

"YOU FILTHY SOBs! YOU GAVE ME THE TOY I WANTED FOR MY COLLECTION! HOW DARE YOU!?!"
^ That's pretty much what this amounts to, and it's ridiculous.

Fair enough, and I understand where you're coming from, but the thing that makes me angry is they aren't giving me the toy I wanted. They're giving me something that I consider completely inferior, and basically I have to "take it or leave it". I either waste money importing a figure I don't want, which I can either keep the main figure, which has no place in my collection, or I sell it and take a bath because odds are no one will pay a decent price for it, or I skip it all together and miss the mold.

Frankly I can be angry that not a single one of those opinions appeals to me.

It is my right to dislike the direction TT went. Every TT Animated figure looks much worse to me than it's Hasbro counterpart.

I'm usually a really positive guy. I'm a near completionist. It's hard to get me to dislike a figure. I even like Battle Ops Bumblebee and the Power Core Combiners.

Why is it the one time I actually dislike something strongly enough to call it out, I get the heat?

If you want to discuss this further PM me.

Razorclaw0000 wrote:Fair enough, and I understand where you're coming from, but the thing that makes me angry is they aren't giving me the toy I wanted. They're giving me something that I consider completely inferior, and basically I have to "take it or leave it". I either waste money importing a figure I don't want, which I can either keep the main figure, which has no place in my collection, or I sell it and take a bath because odds are no one will pay a decent price for it, or I skip it all together and miss the mold.

Now, this? I find reasonable. Not just an "I'm angry! Garghablargh! HULK SMASH!" post like before. This I can work with.

I agree that we got the shaft with Hasbro on the Animated front. I realize it sucks to be stuck with a figure that will be wasteful and useless in most collections, I do. I've done it several times myself.

I don't like spending the money that Takara pricing demands, but if I really want the figure, and want to support Animated as a whole, then I'll do it. Animated was special enough to me that I'll do it.

Not everyone should have to, nor will they. Past a certain point, we're stuck, and we've only so many options at that point.

Razorclaw0000 wrote:Frankly I can be angry that not a single one of those opinions appeals to me.

It is my right to dislike the direction TT went. Every TT Animated figure looks much worse to me than it's Hasbro counterpart.

And as I've stated time and again, you've every right to an opinion. And I agree, the chromed Autobots just don't "feel" right. And you're right, Takara's versions do leave a lot to be desired, but you have to admit, they're at least doing something about the figures, when Hasbro basically told us where to stick it. (I think they learned from that, actually. More on that in a moment.*)

Razorclaw0000 wrote:I'm usually a really positive guy. I'm a near completionist. It's hard to get me to dislike a figure. I even like Battle Ops Bumblebee and the Power Core Combiners.

I'm glad you're able to find something positive out of all of this. This is one of the things about the fandom, lately, that has gotten me down. Everyone's always so negative anymore.

Razorclaw0000 wrote:Why is it the one time I actually dislike something strongly enough to call it out, I get the heat?

If you want to discuss this further PM me.

That's not why you received "heat". I'll repeat it 'til I'm blue in the face, you're entitled to your opinion. You were called out because the original post was basically "HOW DARE YOU GIVE ME A FIGURE I WAS LOOKING FOR!?" and now that you've explained it better, and with a rational mind, I can definitely meet you half way and even agree with you to some degree.

You're right that we got the shaft, and you're right that we shouldn't get stuck with having to spend more money, but we should at least make notice of the fact that we're even being given the option to buy, when Hasbro did nothing but take it away from us.

There is a big difference between you being angry and making posts that come across as nonsense, and then posts like this one where it makes sense and is reasonably explained.

Partially what angered me (and it wasn't just you) is that folks were overlooking the obvious part that no one needs to keep the figure to get the armor. Yeah, it's costly, but it's the only way (as far as we know), and we can't take a chance on Hasbro to pull their heads out of their asses and then don't do it, and we've missed the boat on the Takara offerings.

People were overlooking the positive side to this issue, albeit small, but there is some positivity to this issue. And some is better than none, which is what Hasbro has given us this time.

As for our discussion and the whole PM thing, it's unnecessary. I've said my piece, you've said your's, you elaborated and explained your pain quite well, and I'm more than agreeable on almost all of it. I'd say we can go ahead and put this up on the shelf and forget about it.

Now, back to an earlier point...

I'm guessing that Hasbro is telling the truth about reading the boards, at least to some extent.

People whined and complained and moaned (all reasonable responses!) when they killed Animated in favor of ROTF. When they killed Universe on top of it, that really set the fandom ablaze.

This year, however, they're continuing with the movieverse line under the Hunt For The Decepticons tagline and TransFormers Prime tv show, which will lead into the next film in 2011 (wow, a little over a year from now, actually. Geez...), but...

They're giving us back Classics/Universe in the form of Generations (And I think that name would've been the best from the getgo. It just works. And well.) so that'll make a LOT of people happy, and we're getting Powercore Combiners.

So, there's something for everyone, even if 2/3rds of it is filler line destined to disappear from shelves again, but at least it won't be another Animated fiasco where a main line was snubbed in favor of another.

Collectors, kids, and fans have HFTD.
Collectors and fans have Generations.
Fans and kids have PCC.

Truly something for everyone.

I think if Hasbro had started up a brand new line along the lines of Animated and got a show going, a huge following, etc, and then pulled the rug out from under us AGAIN, they'd be lynched.

They learned from that mistake, and let's hope it makes them better people. Because they need to improve almost everywhere.

I'm just glad we're getting the remaining figures. I would prefer a Hasbro release so everything would match better, but this will have to do. At least with these being Takara releases I can just pre-order them and not have to drive all over creation looking for store exclusives. This is a bit off subject, but this seems like a great situation for the TFCC to step in. The molds are made, why not do a small batch and sell them through the club to those of us who liked the Animated line and want the remaining figures.

El Duque wrote:I'm just glad we're getting the remaining figures. I would prefer a Hasbro release so everything would match better, but this will have to do. At least with these being Takara releases I can just pre-order them and not have to drive all over creation looking for store exclusives. This is a bit off subject, but this seems like a great situation for the TFCC to step in. The molds are made, why not do a small batch and sell them through the club to those of us who liked the Animated line and want the remaining figures.

Because the prices would be even higher than what Takara commands.
We complain about their pricing now, imagine what would happen if FunPublications got their hands on 'em?

I'd not be the least bit surprised if the unreleased figures (American) end up being next year's convention fodder.

...now that would be rage worthy.