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i think if PX continued making WFC/FOC figures once theyre done with the dinobots, thatd be beating a dead horse. not saying i wouldnt be down for it though. if they decided to make every WFC figure that hasbro didnt, id buy them cause they were great designs.

all this does beg the question: wheres PX headed after their dinobots?

FOC Insecticons (Specifically Sharpshot, Hardshell and the "generic" Insecticons) perhaps? Warpath? Trypticon? There's plenty of possibilites I reckon- even some of the generic enemies would be good to have if they were cheap.

Delta Magnus wrote:Do you have to be so f**king negative about everything, X?

There are plenty of people- myself included- who definitely still care about WFC/FOC. From what I've seen I'm thinking of having the Planet X Dinobots as my "classics" Dinobots. They're cool designs and PX makes good toys. Cool designs never become "irrelevant". Otherwise nobody would care about G1 anymore, would they?

Exactly! *^5 Delta Magnus*

X, just because you don't care about the video games doesn't mean that's true for everyone. If there isn't enough interest, people will stop buying them and PlanetX will stop making them.

Delta Magnus wrote:FOC Insecticons (Specifically Sharpshot, Hardshell and the "generic" Insecticons) perhaps? Warpath? Trypticon? There's plenty of possibilites I reckon- even some of the generic enemies would be good to have if they were cheap.

And another high five for you! I love the designs in FoC and would consider nearly anything that hasn't already been released. Once I sell enough of my collection to cover the costs, I think I'll try to find a Genesis...

Well, since I plan on getting their Slag and Snarl, no. they are not a 'waste'. I rather like their Swoop and am now drooling over their Sludge.

megatronus wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Do you have to be so f**king negative about everything, X?

There are plenty of people- myself included- who definitely still care about WFC/FOC. From what I've seen I'm thinking of having the Planet X Dinobots as my "classics" Dinobots. They're cool designs and PX makes good toys. Cool designs never become "irrelevant". Otherwise nobody would care about G1 anymore, would they?

I think what X is trying to get at is just saying that Planet X is pursuing designs that past the expiration date for profitability. The game came out over 2 years ago, and they've only done 2 dinobots... people move on, is all.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. And thats the reason I brought up MMCs hearts of steel line as an example. Sure planet x could do an FOC rendition of every TF character in the game. But how many new continuities would be created during this span by hasbro that planet x would have to compete with ? Now we have RID. And then we will have the next bay movie. And who knows what video game hasbro might put out inbetween. The reason hasbro canned the WFC/FOC line was because it was too old to be a hot seller but not old enough to be a classic worthy of homage. As far as thr actual video game goes, its outdated to hardcore gamers. Playing it would be like playing Madden 2012 or the original call of duty. Hasbro has canned bigger lines like animated and tf prime. Its time is done. The better question is whats next after the dinobots for planet x ? We all thought MMC was going to be the hearts of steel company. Then all of a sudden they canned the line and went wbere the real money is at (G1 classics homages) I predict planet x will go the same route. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. And delta magnus, that's not being negative. Thats just being realistic.

I'd hate to see that happen. I'm getting sick of nothing but GEEWUN. It may be where the money is at the moment, but I want that to change. How about some decent Unicron trilogy homages? How about a proper Voyager/Ultra sized well-articulated Armada Starscream or a new set of hips, thighs and biceps for Armada Megatron? A better ROTF Devastator? Instead we get a million versions of characters from the same era, a lot of which nobody really cares about- who gives a ****, honestly, about the Throttlebots? The toys sucked and they appeared for all of 3 episodes in the cartoon.

There is so much untapped potential in the Transformers franchise for 3Ps to use, and all we get is endless streams of G1. It's time for change.

TW's throttlebots are pretty amazing actually. id rank them among the best 3P figures i own.

Rated X wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Do you have to be so f**king negative about everything, X?

There are plenty of people- myself included- who definitely still care about WFC/FOC. From what I've seen I'm thinking of having the Planet X Dinobots as my "classics" Dinobots. They're cool designs and PX makes good toys. Cool designs never become "irrelevant". Otherwise nobody would care about G1 anymore, would they?

I think what X is trying to get at is just saying that Planet X is pursuing designs that past the expiration date for profitability. The game came out over 2 years ago, and they've only done 2 dinobots... people move on, is all.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. And thats the reason I brought up MMCs hearts of steel line as an example. Sure planet x could do an FOC rendition of every TF character in the game. But how many new continuities would be created during this span by hasbro that planet x would have to compete with ? Now we have RID. And then we will have the next bay movie. And who knows what video game hasbro might put out inbetween. The reason hasbro canned the WFC/FOC line was because it was too old to be a hot seller but not old enough to be a classic worthy of homage. As far as thr actual video game goes, its outdated to hardcore gamers. Playing it would be like playing Madden 2012 or the original call of duty. Hasbro has canned bigger lines like animated and tf prime. Its time is done. The better question is whats next after the dinobots for planet x ? We all thought MMC was going to be the hearts of steel company. Then all of a sudden they canned the line and went wbere the real money is at (G1 classics homages) I predict planet x will go the same route. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. And delta magnus, that's not being negative. Thats just being realistic.

I enjoy the unicron trilogy. But I do see 2 issues...

1. The unicron trilogy is too new to really be in line for homages. Right now its finally beast wars time to shine.

2. By the time the unicron trilogy came out, the figures were already fully articulated. The brick days were over, especially in the cybertron line. Other than maybe wrist swivel what is there really to update ?

For an update to be a money maker, the original has to be really old and kinda suck. Unicron trilogy molds arent that bad. Some of them even fit in with classics lines hence older botcon figures.

Rated X wrote:By the time the unicron trilogy came out, the figures were already fully articulated. The brick days were over, especially in the cybertron line. Other than maybe wrist swivel what is there really to update ?

do you even own any unicron trilogy toys? armada was like, the second coming of the brick.

Delta Magnus wrote:I'd hate to see that happen. I'm getting sick of nothing but GEEWUN. It may be where the money is at the moment, but I want that to change. How about some decent Unicron trilogy homages? How about a proper Voyager/Ultra sized well-articulated Armada Starscream or a new set of hips, thighs and biceps for Armada Megatron? A better ROTF Devastator? Instead we get a million versions of characters from the same era, a lot of which nobody really cares about- who gives a ****, honestly, about the Throttlebots? The toys sucked and they appeared for all of 3 episodes in the cartoon.

There is so much untapped potential in the Transformers franchise for 3Ps to use, and all we get is endless streams of G1. It's time for change.

Also want to see some AEC toys get some 3rd party TF toys.

Think a leader scale or supreme scale Armada Tidalwave, That had MP full articulation with a military aircraft carrier super detailed alt mode would sell excellent. instead of Three seperate vehicles just do one huge aircraft carrier that transform into a robot.

It would be nice to get some of those Armada less articulated toys with full articulation. either with new molds or replacement parts. like the Seekers.

Would love to see a few add on kits with parts to make the toys more articulated. Like giving Energon galvatron a ball jointed head. Articulated fingers that have rotate wrist. replacing the thighs with thighs that had a rotate swivel in their. Maybe doing a kit to turn the jet mode into a 1986 laser canon mode.

Replacement fist for Cycbertron primus that has fully articulated fingers.

Would still like to see Energon Superion get all 5 new sculpts. in the form of replacing the duplicate recolors on the team with newer toys.

Love to see replacement fist with articulated fingers for a few AEC toys that are my favorite like Cybertron Supreme Starscream, Cybertron Voyager Starscream. Cybertron Leader Galvatron. Energon Leader Galvatron, Armada seekers, Cybertron Primus and so on.

Give Energon Rodimus a Voyager scale toy. As the deluxe was too tiny for him.

shajaki wrote:

Rated X wrote:By the time the unicron trilogy came out, the figures were already fully articulated. The brick days were over, especially in the cybertron line. Other than maybe wrist swivel what is there really to update ?

do you even own any unicron trilogy toys? armada was like, the second coming of the brick.

The Cybertron toy line had more brick formers than the more articulated Energon toy line. Due to the Cyber Key gimmick eating up the budget and forcing some toys to be less articulated.

more articulated toys for Cybertron would be welcome. Whether it's in the form of new sculpts or replacements parts that added more articulation.

shajaki wrote:

Rated X wrote:By the time the unicron trilogy came out, the figures were already fully articulated. The brick days were over, especially in the cybertron line. Other than maybe wrist swivel what is there really to update ?

do you even own any unicron trilogy toys? armada was like, the second coming of the brick.

I don’t think we have the same definition of what a “brick” is. For me, once the figures started having bending knees, elbows, and rotating heads, they weren’t bricks anymore. Here’s a list of some of the Unicron Trilogy molds I own that I personally think are very articulated. I don’t know which part of the trilogy all of these molds come from, but they work great for my classics collection.

Botcon Banzitron
Botcon Weirdwolf
Botcon Scourge and Target Senator Ratbat
Target Springer
Target Roadbuster
Target Dirge
Botcon Alpha Trion and Vector Prime
Botcon Sharkticons
Botcon Ironhide
Movie Jolt
Movie Breakaway
Cybertron Thundercracker
Botcon Flareup and Chromia (Moonracer)
Botcon Elita one
Botcon Kup and Energon Red Alert
TRU Countdown
Movie Big Daddy
Botcon Flak
Botcon Landshark
Energon Bruticus with Fansproject upgrades
Energon Superion with Fansproject upgrades

About the only Unicron Trilogy molds I own which I feel could use better articulation is Timelines Nightbeat and Botcon Thunderclash. But I still enjoy them more than any true G1 brick figure.

You seem to hate G1. Im assuming you didn’t grow up in the 80’s with real bricks like I did. If you grew up with Unicorn Trilogy or even Beast wars figures, you were spoiled with articulation I never enjoyed as a kid. That’s probably why you don’t appreciate it and think the Unicron Trilogy molds are so primitive.

The vast majority of those are Energon & Cybertron toys, X.

Armada figures are brick-ish; they have some articulation, but still very limited. I'm happy we're getting a new Leader Armada Megatron in the Generations line, even if it could have been executed a bit better (the lack of a side cannon is a huge let down for me).

FOC came out in 2012. That means Planet X is making toys from designs that are two yeas old.

Meanwhile, the Masterpiece line is making toys from designs that are 30 years old.

If Planet X is guilty of making toys from outdated designs, then logic dictates that TakaraTomy is fifteen times more guilty.


And regarding the Armada toys being referred to as "bricks", yes they were. Plenty of them lacked any articulation in the knees, elbows, hips, neck, waist, etc. None of the toys in X's big list are molds from Armada. All of them are from Energon and Cybertron.

Rated X wrote:You seem to hate G1. Im assuming you didn’t grow up in the 80’s with real bricks like I did. If you grew up with Unicorn Trilogy or even Beast wars figures, you were spoiled with articulation I never enjoyed as a kid. That’s probably why you don’t appreciate it and think the Unicron Trilogy molds are so primitive.

whoa now. did i say that? check ANY post of mine in this entire forum and find me saying i hate G1. cause you wont find it. i was born in 84, and literally grew up with G1. i played with bricks and loved every minute of it. and i even love those bricks to this day.

which is why i can especially appreciate articulation. in my teens we got BW/BM and then RID, which holy crap: articulated transformers! and what followed that? armada. for a line following 3 giant leaps in engineering and articulation, was a giant step back. poor and simple transformations with crappy articulation, attributes not befitting of a transformers line of its time. granted there were some winners, and energon was better, and cybertron was great. but armada was and still is a huge let down for me.

in the future dont assume, and dont put words in my mouth.

Sabrblade wrote:FOC came out in 2012. That means Planet X is making toys from designs that are two yeas old.

Meanwhile, the Masterpiece line is making toys from designs that are 30 years old.

If Planet X is guilty of making toys from outdated designs, then logic dictates that TakaraTomy is fifteen times more guilty.

shajaki wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:FOC came out in 2012. That means Planet X is making toys from designs that are two yeas old.

Meanwhile, the Masterpiece line is making toys from designs that are 30 years old.

If Planet X is guilty of making toys from outdated designs, then logic dictates that TakaraTomy is fifteen times more guilty.

WFC/FOC designs aren't outdated, they just have a shelf life. If there isn't fiction supporting the designs, then they fade from relevance... how many 3rd Party companies tackle Animated designs?

It's unfair to compare that to the Masterpiece line & G1; paying tribute to character designs and figures that launched the brand is somewhat different than making designs from just another link in the chain. The nostalgia is really strong there.

shajaki wrote:

Rated X wrote:You seem to hate G1. Im assuming you didn’t grow up in the 80’s with real bricks like I did. If you grew up with Unicorn Trilogy or even Beast wars figures, you were spoiled with articulation I never enjoyed as a kid. That’s probably why you don’t appreciate it and think the Unicron Trilogy molds are so primitive.

whoa now. did i say that? check ANY post of mine in this entire forum and find me saying i hate G1. cause you wont find it. i was born in 84, and literally grew up with G1. i played with bricks and loved every minute of it. and i even love those bricks to this day.

which is why i can especially appreciate articulation. in my teens we got BW/BM and then RID, which holy crap: articulated transformers! and what followed that? armada. for a line following 3 giant leaps in engineering and articulation, was a giant step back. poor and simple transformations with crappy articulation, attributes not befitting of a transformers line of its time. granted there were some winners, and energon was better, and cybertron was great. but armada was and still is a huge let down for me.

in the future dont assume, and dont put words in my mouth.

When I made this post from my cell phone, I think I confused you with Delta Magnus who earlier stated this:

"I'm getting sick of nothing but GEEWUN".

Sorry about that. The part of my response about not growing up in the 80's was meant for Delta Magnus. I got you two confused for a second. Nobody who grew up in the 80's uses the spelling "GEEWUN". It's a derogatory spelling used by younger TF fans who grew up during Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy, etc. Real 80's TF fans simply type "G1" which is four characters less typing.

As far as our opinions on what constitutes a "brick" were still going to have to agree to disagree. It's not the figures boxiness that makes it a brick to me. It's how much you can or cant pose it that determines whether it's a brick or not in my book. It's all about articulation for me. I never expected a transforming robot to have the same contour as a human.

megatronus wrote:The vast majority of those are Energon & Cybertron toys, X.

Armada figures are brick-ish; they have some articulation, but still very limited. I'm happy we're getting a new Leader Armada Megatron in the Generations line, even if it could have been executed a bit better (the lack of a side cannon is a huge let down for me).

I wasn't aware how few of them were Armada. So if the Armada line really did suck, maybe that's why Funpub didn't reuse too many of the molds for timelines figures. My only real exposure to Unicron Trilogy molds is through Funpub and a few Walmart/Target exclusives.

Rated X wrote:As far as our opinions on what constitutes a "brick" were still going to have to agree to disagree. It's not the figures boxiness that makes it a brick to me. It's how much you can or cant pose it that determines whether it's a brick or not in my book. It's all about articulation for me. I never expected a transforming robot to have the same contour as a human.

We all pretty much agree with you on that, X. When referring to Armada toys as bricks, we are talking about their lack of a proper amount of articulation points. That giant list of Unicron Trilogy molds you own consists entirely of molds from Energon and Cybertron. No Armada molds. Energon and Cybertron molds had plenty of good articulation. Armada molds, however, did not. Knees, elbows, hips, necks, waists, sometimes entire legs, and wrists were all locked into place and couldn't move, bend, or turn at all.

Sabrblade wrote:FOC came out in 2012. That means Planet X is making toys from designs that are two yeas old.

Meanwhile, the Masterpiece line is making toys from designs that are 30 years old.

If Planet X is guilty of making toys from outdated designs, then logic dictates that TakaraTomy is fifteen times more guilty.


And regarding the Armada toys being referred to as "bricks", yes they were. Plenty of them lacked any articulation in the knees, elbows, hips, neck, waist, etc. None of the toys in X's big list are molds from Armada. All of them are from Energon and Cybertron.

Here's the thing. Nostalgia plays a huge factor here. WFC/FOC is 2 years old now. It's stuck in that category where it's too old to be a hot seller, but it's too new to evoke nostalgia. WFC/FOC will be stuck in a box with Bayverse, Animated, and TF Prime for at least 10 years before anyone considers it to be nostalgic.

I'm into the G1 designs and have settled on Fansprojects and Toyworld. And the SDCC set because I'm a fool with my money.

I can't really fault Planet X for making FoC toys. I mean, why not? Compare that with TFC. TFC redesigns their figures completely, often to the point where they're almost unrecognisable. Fansprojects often does the same. I see these dinos in the same vein. They're redesigned, like any other redesign. It doesn't really matter if they're based on anything - that's just a perk.

Unfortunately for Planet X, other companies are making things that appeal to me more. But if those three other companies weren't I'd have been pretty happy with Planet X's offerings.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:FOC came out in 2012. That means Planet X is making toys from designs that are two yeas old.

Meanwhile, the Masterpiece line is making toys from designs that are 30 years old.

If Planet X is guilty of making toys from outdated designs, then logic dictates that TakaraTomy is fifteen times more guilty.


And regarding the Armada toys being referred to as "bricks", yes they were. Plenty of them lacked any articulation in the knees, elbows, hips, neck, waist, etc. None of the toys in X's big list are molds from Armada. All of them are from Energon and Cybertron.

Here's the thing. Nostalgia plays a huge factor here. WFC/FOC is 2 years old now. It's stuck in that category where it's too old to be a hot seller, but it's too new to evoke nostalgia. WFC/FOC will be stuck in a box with Bayverse, Animated, and TF Prime for at least 10 years before anyone considers it to be nostalgic.

I think there's the element of these designs coming out of a game instead of a cartoon. Hmm...

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:FOC came out in 2012. That means Planet X is making toys from designs that are two yeas old.

Meanwhile, the Masterpiece line is making toys from designs that are 30 years old.

If Planet X is guilty of making toys from outdated designs, then logic dictates that TakaraTomy is fifteen times more guilty.


And regarding the Armada toys being referred to as "bricks", yes they were. Plenty of them lacked any articulation in the knees, elbows, hips, neck, waist, etc. None of the toys in X's big list are molds from Armada. All of them are from Energon and Cybertron.

Here's the thing. Nostalgia plays a huge factor here. WFC/FOC is 2 years old now. It's stuck in that category where it's too old to be a hot seller, but it's too new to evoke nostalgia. WFC/FOC will be stuck in a box with Bayverse, Animated, and TF Prime for at least 10 years before anyone considers it to be nostalgic.

I think there's the element of these designs coming out of a game instead of a cartoon. Hmm...

I just lumped all the new continuities together whether they were cartoons, games, or movies. Theyre all in the same 10 year gap give or take. If you want we can add IDW and rescue bots to the list as well in order not to discriminate against any type of media a continuity may be in the form of.

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