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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Scaleface » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:12 pm

An email went out from BBTS just now. Seems BBTS is backing Play With This Too, hoping for figures from them after the crowd funding, I'd guess.

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Introducing:
Play With This Too!

We wanted to let you know what some of our old friends are up to! (No Preorders yet, stay tuned for more info)

This new company is made of several former Hasbro employees including Aaron Archer and Rik Alvarez. Working along them are several toy and entertainment industry experts such as Steve Redinger, Trent Troop, Mark Wong, Ken Christiansen and Simon Furman. Play With This Too has also contracted famed designer, co-founder and former co-owner of the Four Horsemen - Christopher Dahlberg of Berger Inc. Christopher Dahlberg will produce the digital sculpts for their action figure line.

In February of 2015, Play With This Too will launch a crowd funding campaign to produce their first line of action figures. This debut line will consist of 6” highly articulated figures with interchangeable parts and weapons.

These figures also feature a number of 5mm ports, which allow for many of these interchangeable parts to work across multiple figures. These interchangeable parts include heads, hands, feet, weapons, arms and legs.

There will be approximately 25 different 6” figures available during their crowd funding campaign.

Each 6” figure also comes with a small robot companion called a Tech Drone. These small robotic figures, approximately 3.2” tall, are made up of pieces connected via 5mm pegs. This allows for the Tech Drones to form robots, vehicles or combine with other Tech Drones. They are also able to form weapons and armor for the larger 6” figures.

In addition to their 6” line of figures and Tech Drones, Play With This Too is also releasing a series of Head Shots. Head Shots come in sets of three and a different artist designed each set. These heads are interchangeable with many 6” action figures that feature ball joints connecting the body to the head. Perfect for customizers or for creating new characters using all the various Play With This Too action figures. There are current 8 volumes of Head Shots designed and ready to go into production!

In January, Play With This Too will begin to reveal their hard copy prototypes. This team of artists is doing as much work upfront as possible so if their crowd funding campaign is successful they will go right into production!

These amazing figures cannot exist without your help. Play With This Too needs your support! Please follow them on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, visit their website and help spread the word. And remember, in February 2015 their crowd funding campaign will launch and everyone will have the chance to purchase these figures.

From all of us at BigBadToyStore and Play With This Too – THANKS!

“You can play with their stuff, but you can PLAY WITH THIS TOO.”

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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:30 am

Wish PWTT luck with this. While not buying, Color me interested to see how all of this turns out.
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Scaleface » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:57 am

On November 22nd, the Cybercast interviewed Rik Alvarez. Here is a summary of the information revealed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weVUBYepzMk

Stuff talked about:

Play With This Toosday - They need to reveal things more regularly to get everything out before the Kickstarter, so reveals every Tuesday. This Tuesday they will reveal something that will appeal to Masters of the Universe fans. This figure idea was by Trent Troop and the design is by Aaron Archer.

Talked about being asked to help Brian Savage for 5 years because Hasbro said he didn't know much about Transformers (being a GI Joe collector). He then went to Haslab at Hasbro under Aaron Archer. Hasbro let the Haslab people go. Talk about Steve Redinger, Trent Troop and Simon Furman's background.

Asked why they went third party/independent rather than going to work for another company. They thought it was better to be in charge of themselves rather work under restraints. They have been working on this PWTT for a year and a half. He thinks toys are splitting into 2 markets, the kiddie stuff and the collector figures. The name Play With This Too comes from the store Play With This Toys & Collectibles that Rik used to work for. The company was originally called Shantel's Tears, but they needed a better name. Scott Talis was the owned of the store (the company logo, Talix, is named after him, modeled after a Colorforms alien from the 1950s, with some influence from Hoist Goes to Hollywood alien mask).

The good guy faction is called Protectors, and the bad guys are called Heretics, but they are not a team, they are all independent.

Rik grew up plaything with a lot of toy lines... Masters of the Universe, GI Joe, Inhumanoids, Sectaurs, Silverhawks, Thundercats, stuff that inspires his toys.

Rik is most proud of The Mighty Muscules (rhymes with Hercules) Son of Tertosteros - Muscular guy with a mustache, wrestler, talks like Hulk Hogan, sash, strong arms, orange Tech Drone, wants to join the hero team. They will reveal him soon. He will be a Kickstarter exclusive. (sounds like Pretender Stranglehold to me).

Asked about his character names. He wants names that describe who they are in the fiction, with He-Man type names. The toys will have tech specs or bios, and a custom box.

The Tech Drones started as simple weapons that combiner into a scout vehicle. Mark Wong figured they would add some bits and they could combine into humanoid robots. They came up much later than the 6 inch figures.

Fan feedback is important. They do read it and use it. They changed the wrists to be 5mm peg/holes from a suggestion. They might make a cape series as a stretch goal. Rik reads most of the boards.

Cybercast asks if we will see Metalhawk or Grand inspired character. Rik has a character name Ironflight or Ironstrike. Blue helmet, wings, big weapon covered in 5m ports. Designed by Mark Wong. Will show him on a Tuesday.

Cybercast asks if there will be any beasts or vehicles. Rik talks about beasts after the Kickstarter is over. He has an idea for 4 characters that are from one body, just change the head. He does have a humanoid character name Tri-Gorr, who has an animal head. He is a Beast that likes to Battle! ;-)

Cybercast wonders if they will make a Modulok like character. Rik says they can swap limbs between figures.

The Play With Yourself box set. Enough parts to make 2 figures in white or grey parts, for customizers.

For fiction - Comic are expensive, so they can't start with those. Might be a prose story, there will be bio cards written by Aaron, Simon and Trent. There will be a digital book with bios, art, head shots bios, making of the figures.

Rik is asked about what toys need updates - Sky-Lynx. When at Hasbro Rik used to document third party toys. When he was let go he bought a lot of it. He mostly collects third party TFs today.

Cybercast asks him about Sectaurs - Both Josh the host and Rik collect them, and have almost complete sets. Asked if they will make a Sectaurs homage... Rik said all the brands mentioned before will be inspiration for PWTT. Micronauts and Centurions are mentioned. The host and Rik geek out over Captain Power for a few minutes. Rik loves Sauron the Sky Sentry.

Feedback from people has been positive. Some people online have had the opposite opinion. Rik's crowd funding consultant says he has never seen a campaign promote this early.

In the future they have a new thing planned, not transforming, that's very different. They also have licenses under works for figures in 2016.

Asked what happens if figures sell out. Some figures will be Kickstarter exclusives. Some reissues will be different from the original to protect their investment as original.

We will see prototypes in January or sooner. They had their first figure 3D printed and and it wasn't good enough, so they went out and recruited Christopher Dalhberg to make the digital sculpts, and Peer Brauner making tech drones and weapons.

Rik is a fan of Micronauts - Biotron and Baron Karza.

Then went into the Ken Christiansen Facebook Like Drive, talked about Hasbro vs. Takara for decos on Brainstorm, and some other topical news.
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:07 pm

Scaleface wrote:On November 22nd, the Cybercast interviewed Rik Alvarez. Here is a summary of the information revealed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weVUBYepzMk


Happy to see your posting regularly on these boards again. Guy's like you are always welcomed here. As you do the fandom a big service with all of your post updates on newer products.

Miss daimchoc, Hoping at some point he return to posting here like he did before.
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Re: Play With This Too Bloodbath (not Bomb-Burst/Blood)

Postby craggy » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:22 pm

the monsters are where it's at for me. I actually really like Generations Skullgrin, but there's definite appeal to the one as well. Bomb-burst is sweet looking too. I'll have to see what they're offering for what prices at the crowd-funding stage, but their Octopunch looks real nice, so I hope they do well, and we get Stranglehold and then the Pretender Beasts as well!
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby craggy » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:39 pm

Rik is most proud of The Mighty Muscules (rhymes with Hercules) Son of Tertosteros - Muscular guy with a mustache, wrestler, talks like Hulk Hogan, sash, strong arms, orange Tech Drone, wants to join the hero team. They will reveal him soon. He will be a Kickstarter exclusive. (sounds like Pretender Stranglehold to me).
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Re: Play With This Too Bloodbath (not Bomb-Burst/Blood)

Postby Scaleface » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:16 pm

craggy wrote:the monsters are where it's at for me. I actually really like Generations Skullgrin, but there's definite appeal to the one as well. Bomb-burst is sweet looking too. I'll have to see what they're offering for what prices at the crowd-funding stage, but their Octopunch looks real nice, so I hope they do well, and we get Stranglehold and then the Pretender Beasts as well!


It looks like Stranglehold is in the works, they were talking about an upcoming toy called The Mighty Muscules, who is described as a musular wrestler-type with a red sash and mustache. He will have an orange Tech Drone. Sounds like Strangle hold to me.

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Re: Play With This Too Bitemark with D-Kay (Kickstarter exclusive, Skull-FCKR body?)

Postby Scaleface » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:27 am

If you end up putting the Skull-FCKR head on the Bitemark body, it looks really good.

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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Scaleface » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:40 am

So who have we seen and not seen so far?

Autobot Pretenders:
Bumblebee - No news, lots of inner robot from Hasbro and third party.
Catilla - Rik said beasts will come after the Kickstarter. Also, MMC is making an inner robot as a Feral Rex combiner limb.
Chainclaw - - Rik said beasts will come after the Kickstarter.
Cloudburst - Astroblast
Crossblades - No news
Doubleheader - No news
Grand - No news, we have Grand heads from headrobots and a big robot from Toyworld.
Grimlock - Boneyard
Groundbreaker - No news
Gunrunner - No news
Jazz - No news, lots of inner robots from Hasbro.
Landmine - Goldminer
Longtooth - No news
Metalhawk - Hinted at as coming later, named Ironstrike, according to an interview. Fun Pub made a Metalhawk toy.
Pincher - No news
Sky High - No news
Skyhammer - No news
Splashdown - No news
Vroom - No news
Waverider - Hinted to as an Astroblast remold in an interview.

Decepticon Pretenders

Black Shadow - No news, Hasbro toy.
Bludgeon - No news, Hasbro made several toys, with several add-ons.
Blue Bacchus - No news.
Bomb-Burst - Bloodbath
Bugly - No news
Carnivac - No news
Finback - No news
Iguanus - No news
Octopunch - Ancient Astronaut, Fun Pub made a SG Octpunch robot.
Roadblock - No news
Roadgrabber - - Rik said no vehicles at the current time.
Skullgrin - Desolataur
Starscream - Jetstrike, lots of inner robots, including some Legends toys that work well as an inner robot.
Snarler - No news
Stranglehold - Mentioned as The Mighty Muscules in an interview.
Submarauders - No news
Thundewing - No news, Hasbro toy.

6 Dinoforce - FansProject announced a set coming. Technically that Takara Grim Master was an updated form of Kakuryu.

6 Monster Pretenders - No news.

Various double Pretenders and Twin Twist Pretenders - No news. Mech Ideas made a Twin Twist inner robot, as did Hasbro.

Plus we know Play With This Too is making Bitemark, an original character made by recoloring mixed parts from Desolataur and Bloodbath.
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby NOS » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:36 am

Ya know, as much as I appreciate new and innovative ideas to breathe new life into retro characters I just can't say I have any interest to support a line of Transformers who are missing the very element that makes them appealing and updating them to be articulated. With the focus being the shells and articulating them while neglecting the core robots I just don't see this being worth the venture regardless of which big-name-former-employees are a part of the project.

If only they spent a little more time with the core robots... articulating them and making them equally important compared to the pretender shells I would have been all over this.
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby rpetras » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:06 am

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NOS wrote:Ya know, as much as I appreciate new and innovative ideas to breathe new life into retro characters I just can't say I have any interest to support a line of Transformers who are missing the very element that makes them appealing and updating them to be articulated. With the focus being the shells and articulating them while neglecting the core robots I just don't see this being worth the venture regardless of which big-name-former-employees are a part of the project.

If only they spent a little more time with the core robots... articulating them and making them equally important compared to the pretender shells I would have been all over this.


I really agree with this.

I also collect 6" scale superhero figures, so I have some interest in 6" figures that happen to be cool looking and articulated, so I may pick up one or two of these just to check it out.

BUT, if the bots were better, and not just pull apart weapon guys, I would have a LOT more interest. If the inner robots scaled with legends (and they seem to have the height right) these could work REALLY well in a legends collection, or passably so in Classics.

As it is, something just doesn't fit for me.
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Scaleface » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:10 am

Let's celebrate 900 likes on our Facebook page with the reveal of our crowd funding exclusive colors for Head Shots Vol. 3! And come back tomorrow for our very first Play With This Toosday reveal! We're hoping the MOTU fans will like what we debut tomorrow...


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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:44 am

rpetras wrote:
NOS wrote:Ya know, as much as I appreciate new and innovative ideas to breathe new life into retro characters I just can't say I have any interest to support a line of Transformers who are missing the very element that makes them appealing and updating them to be articulated. With the focus being the shells and articulating them while neglecting the core robots I just don't see this being worth the venture regardless of which big-name-former-employees are a part of the project.

If only they spent a little more time with the core robots... articulating them and making them equally important compared to the pretender shells I would have been all over this.


I really agree with this.

I also collect 6" scale superhero figures, so I have some interest in 6" figures that happen to be cool looking and articulated, so I may pick up one or two of these just to check it out.

BUT, if the bots were better, and not just pull apart weapon guys, I would have a LOT more interest. If the inner robots scaled with legends (and they seem to have the height right) these could work REALLY well in a legends collection, or passably so in Classics.

As it is, something just doesn't fit for me.


Also agree with this.

If I wanted this sort of thing, I'd buy a few Hasbro TF Hero Smashers toys at cheap USA retail prices.

Think if Hasbro does any pretenders for their TF Hero Smashers toy line they'd really kill sales on these PWTT Pretenders toys.
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Evil Eye » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:02 am

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Honestly I'm all for these. Most of the Pretenders had fairly boring inner robots (which are better represented by existing figures); nobody bought Octopunch for the crab-bot. The shells on the other hand had awesome (and ridiculously 80s) sculpts let down by poor articulation (on account of being rubber shells). I kinda like the idea of the Pretenders as these fairly puny robots who compensate with highly advanced, semi-organic armour.
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby craggy » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:09 pm

Tsutsukakushi wrote:
Also agree with this.

If I wanted this sort of thing, I'd buy a few Hasbro TF Hero Smashers toys at cheap USA retail prices.

Think if Hasbro does any pretenders for their TF Hero Smashers toy line they'd really kill sales on these PWTT Pretenders toys.

I wonder if perhaps some of these ex-Hasbro employees might have some idea that that idea isn't happening though, and that's why they're going down this route? I've got to think it'd be pretty silly of a new startup trying to compete so directly with a major company that they've likely got some idea of future products, or at least the direction of the official TF brand.
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Re: Play With This Too Bitemark with D-Kay (Kickstarter exclusive, Skull-FCKR body?)

Postby Evil Eye » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:18 pm

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That is beautiful and I want it. Looks like something out of Warhammer 40,000, or to be more exact Rogue Trader (the original incarnation of the game from the 80s).

Don't know if it's homaging any character in particular but who cares? That face! Those colours! The spikes! I will say the Skull-FCKR head needs a bit more colour definition but that aside it's perfect.
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Postby Scaleface » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:24 pm

From what I heard in the interviews the original plan was just to make highly articulated 6 inch figures with 5mm port weapons that could be easily configured. Rik said it was Mark Wong who figured out that it wouldn't take much extra to add the bits to make those accessories combine into humanoids forms, so they did that. I wonder if maybe the fan reaction that people want transforming drones, even if they are simple as Legends, will make future designs a bit more complex transforming. I notice that the later design for Jetstike's drone looks a bit more complex and transforming than the Desolataur, Astroblast and Bloodbath drone.

The drone here looks like his legs pull out and his nosecone flips down.

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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby rpetras » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:52 pm

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Scaleface wrote:From what I heard in the interviews the original plan was just to make highly articulated 6 inch figures with 5mm port weapons that could be easily configured. Rik said it was Mark Wong who figured out that it wouldn't take much extra to add the bits to make those accessories combine into humanoids forms, so they did that. I wonder if maybe the fan reaction that people want transforming drones, even if they are simple as Legends, will make future designs a bit more complex transforming. I notice that the later design for Jetstike's drone looks a bit more complex and transforming than the Desolataur, Astroblast and Bloodbath drone.

The drone here looks like his legs pull out and his nosecone flips down.


If your guess is right, and later drones may be more complex then great!

I agree with DM's point too, the inner robots were typically not the cool part of pretenders, however they were an important part IMO as that is what really defines the alt mode. I DO like the idea of them being tiny bots in bulky suits like Pinky & the Brain, but having Grimlock, Screamer etc. having pretender shells kind of hurts that idea.

If you do what Hasbro has done so far and combine the inner bot's alt mode with the cooler looking outer shell, you have no small bot to worry about.

What is done here, is to have a nice looking "shell" figure with a stick on bot backpack. That's OK, but I still feel the original inner bot should be better represented. Jetstrike here seems to "do it right" IMO and may be the figure I go with.

Another possibility is some 4th party may come along and create small figures that better represent the originals, or these may work with existing legends.
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Re: Play With This Too Bitemark with D-Kay (Kickstarter exclusive, Skull-FCKR body?)

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Delta Magnus wrote:That is beautiful and I want it. Looks like something out of Warhammer 40,000, or to be more exact Rogue Trader (the original incarnation of the game from the 80s).

Don't know if it's homaging any character in particular but who cares? That face! Those colours! The spikes! I will say the Skull-FCKR head needs a bit more colour definition but that aside it's perfect.

I like it as Diablo from the computer games of the same name. :twisted:

I am definitely interested in this combo. I hope I don't miss the announcement on the kickstarter...
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

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"The Mysterious Serpents of the Coiled Table maintain order on their home-world of Aspalon. These fearsome cold-blooded warriors claim kinship with the snakes and serpent-men of all worlds and woe be to any man or machine that intervenes in their quests or, worse, goads them into battle.

Serving the will of their lord, King Adder, are Sir Pythanore, a wise a cunning aide to the King, Sir Fangramore LeVenomous, powerful lashing warrior of unequaled strength and a host of eager young viper squires ready to test their mettle and earn their honor."

Both Sir Pythanore and Sir Fangramore LeVenomous will be crowd funding exclusive characters. Additional Viper Squires will be available later on in different colors. The colors for the Viper Squire in this 3-pack will be exclusive to the set.

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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:12 pm

:lol: Put a Cobra Commander 1980's colored outfit on this snake man. And you've got a 1980's movie Cobra Commander in his mid Transformation half human-half snake thing. :lol:

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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Evil Eye » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:24 pm

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I'm not digging the snake dudes quite as much, but they still look awesome.

Now let's hope they give us some crab people...
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Robogeek1973 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:27 pm

So with this group making Pretender homages, I wonder what the chances are that they'd do Actionmaster homages as well down the road.
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby necr0blivion » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:36 pm

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Delta Magnus wrote:Now let's hope they give us some crab people...

"Look like crab, talk like people"
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Re: New 3rd party company called, Play with this too, made up of former Hasbro employees?

Postby Scaleface » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:48 pm

Robogeek1973 wrote:So with this group making Pretender homages, I wonder what the chances are that they'd do Actionmaster homages as well down the road.


Not that much need, I think Custom Robots is making those Revoltech toys that are basically updated Action Masters.

Anyways, Grimlock and Starscream appeared in the Action Master line, Pretenders and Play With This Too, so they are already covered.
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